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#7795 From: "Steven Robinson" <srobin21@...>
Date: Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:16 am
Subject: Brit leaders warn of oil crunch within 5 years
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Branson warns that oil crunch is coming within five years

. Virgin chief and fellow business leaders call for action
. Energy crisis threatens to be more serious than credit crun

By Terry Macalister
Guardian - UK,
Sunday 7 February 2010

Sir Richard Branson and fellow leading businessmen will warn ministers this
week that the world is running out of oil and faces an oil crunch within
five years.

The founder of the Virgin group, whose rail, airline and travel companies
are sensitive to energy prices, will say that the -coming crisis could be
even more serious than the credit crunch.

"The next five years will see us face another crunch - the oil crunch. This
time, we do have the chance to prepare. The challenge is to use that time
well," Branson will say.

"Our message to government and businesses is clear: act," he says in a
foreword to a new report on the crisis. "Don't let the oil crunch catch us
out in the way that the credit crunch did."

Other British executives who will support the warning include Ian Marchant,
chief executive of Scottish and Southern Energy group, and Brian Souter,
chief executive of transport operator Stagecoach.

Their call for urgent government action comes amid a wider debate on the
issue and follows allegations by insiders at the International Energy Agency
that the organisation had deliberately underplayed the threat of so-called
"peak oil" to avoid panic on the stock markets.

Ministers have until now refused to take predictions of oil droughts
seriously, preferring to side with oil companies such as BP and ExxonMobil
and crude producers such as the Saudis, who insist there is nothing to worry
about.

But there are signs this is about to change, according to Jeremy Leggett,
founder of the Solarcentury renewable power company and a member of a peak
oil taskforce within the business community. "[We are] in regular contact
with government; we have reason to believe their risk thinking on peak oil
may be evolving away from BP et al's and we await the results of further
consultations with keen interest."

The issue came up at the recent World Economic Forum in Davos where Thierry
Desmarest, chief executive of the Total oil company in France, also broke
ranks. The world could struggle to produce more than 95m barrels of oil a
day in future, he said - 10% above present levels. "The problem of peak oil
remains."

Chris Skrebowski, an independent oil consultant who prepared parts of the
peak oil report for Branson and others, said that only recession is holding
back a crisis: "The next major supply constraint, along with spiking oil
prices, will not occur until recession-hit demand grows to the point that it
removes the current excess oil stocks and the large spare capacity held by
Opec. However, once these are removed, possibly as early as 2012-13 and no
later than 2014-15, oil prices are likely to spike, imperilling economic
growth and causing economic dislocation."

Skrebowski believes that Britain is particularly vulnerable because it has
gone from being a net exporter of oil, gas and coal to being an importer,
and is becoming increasingly exposed to competition for supplies.

"This is likely to put pressure on the UK balance of payments and in a world
of floating exchange rates is also likely to put downward pressure on the
valuation of sterling. In other words, the positive benefits to the
valuation of the pound as a petrocurrency are now eroding," he said.

The question of peak oil came to centre stage last November when a
whistleblower told the Guardian the figures provided by the IEA - and used
by the UK and US governments for much of their planning scenarios - were
inaccurate.

"The IEA in 2005 was predicting that oil supplies could rise as high as 120m
barrels a day by 2030, although it was forced to reduce this gradually to
116m and then 105m last year," said the IEA source. "The 120m figure always
was nonsense but even today's number is much higher than can be justified
and the IEA knows this."

But Saudi Arabia launched a counter-strike at Davos, insisting the issue was
overblown. "The concern about peak oil is behind us," said Khalid al-Falih,
chief executive of Saudi Aramco.

Tony Hayward, the BP chief executive, downplayed fears about dwindling
supplies in an interview with the Guardian last week.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/feb/07/branson-warns-peak-oil-close

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#7794 From: Aaron Lehmer <aaron@...>
Date: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:41 am
Subject: LIVE WEBCAST of Clean Power, Healthy Communities - Feb. 10-11!
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Dear "Clean Power, Healthy Communities" webcast viewers!

Don't miss any of our inspiring keynote presenters, plenary speakers, or lively performers.

Follow the action starting on Wednesday, February 10th at 9 am at:
http://www.ustream.tv/user/clean-power

For a complete program (PDF) including the full schedule of events, go to:
http://www.baylocalize.org/files/LCEA_2010_Conference_Program.pdf

Thanks for helping to build a local clean energy future for all!

- Aaron, Al, Dave, Emily, Kirsten, Larry, and Rory (The Local Clean Energy Steering Team)
 

Aaron Lehmer
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#7793 From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Tue Feb 9, 2010 5:43 am
Subject: Health "Safety" Bill
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   Please take a moment to study the ramifications of Senate Bill S510, in particular the new addition just introduced by Senator McCain, "Dietary Supplement Safety [sic] Act of 2010, which would severely limit our access to common herbs and vitamin supplements.

                         <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=26714>

   The grassroots Right has been on this issue for years. This is common nutritional grounds and it is time for the Left to step up as well.
Please sign and the petition contained in the above and forward this e-mail.

   If anyone has the notion that this is simply too outlandish (which it is) or that it certainly couldn't happen in OUR country, take a gander at what Canada passed the other day:

   Canada's pharmacy regulators order stop sales of herbal and nutritional supplements,
multi-vitamins and other products
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                           <http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2534645>

EU Herbal Directive will become law in 2011


                            < http://www.alternative-healthzine.com/html/Herbs_&_the_EU.html>

In depth and humorous video on the history of Codex Alimentarius meaning "food code"

                            <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5266884912495233634#>
Other countries

                            <http://www.netidentity.us/node/29>


More Info. (Note especially the paragraph "HOW CAN IT BE POSSIBLE?", which explains the connection between our nutritional choices and U.S. trade agreements subject to international courts.)

                            <http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/codex-alimentarius.html>


I kid you not,
Sharon

P.S. Have you heard that internet activists are now often referred to as "Mouse Warriors"?





#7792 From: Dave Room <daveroom@...>
Date: Mon Feb 8, 2010 10:34 pm
Subject: LIVE WEBCAST! "Clean Power, Healthy Communities," Feb. 10-11
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Register Now for the "Clean Power, Healthy Communities" LIVE WEBCAST!
Get 2-for-1 Tix to "The Dream in Action" w/Van Jones & Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins - 2/11
 
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REGISTER NOW for only $10 at LocalCleanEnergy.org.

On Tuesday afternoon, we'll send you the webcast link, along with a full-color 4-page program (in PDF format) to follow all the goings-on.
 
 
Thanks for your interest and commitment to building a local clean energy-powered Bay Area that serves all our communities!
 
— Bay Localize and the Local Clean Energy Alliance

 

 
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#7791 From: Jan Lundberg <jan@...>
Date: Mon Feb 8, 2010 8:30 pm
Subject: forget peak oil? Re: How to fix our broken Congress
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Regarding the SF Chronicle / The Nation column "How to fix our broken Congress and get our democracy back" 
By Lawrence Lessig
posted to the John Holtzclaw list

Hi John,

Thanks for calling attention to this criticism of Obama and Congress.  While there's much truth in Lessig's column, what he leaves out is the controlling part of the big-picture equation.  

He does not understand petroleum or how it will fail us and cause petrocollapse.  Without petroleum in unlimited supply for food production, distribution, preservation and preparation, what do you think will result when there is a major oil crunch or crop failures, and food riots hit?  

This can be triggered by a significant shortage in this age of peak oil, most likely from a geopolitical event.  What will happen to businesses and the work force if commuting and trucking are stopped from lack of fuel, for more than a couple of days?  These questions are kept out of both corporate news media and the progressive press.  Likewise, preparations for a transformation to a more localized, sustainable lifestyle are suppressed or occasionally given green lip service.  It's as if the Obamas' organic White House food garden constituted a change in the way people were fed and treated the land.

The other blind spot in Lessig's limited political analysis is that he fails to see what the dominant culture's role is in North Americans' behavior.  The scum rises to the top, so the aspiring and current members of Congress will take money any way they can to serve their corporate masters or other funders.  It's not just a small class of greedy people ruining a country, but rather a materialistic culture that believes in private gain and property over the needs of the community.  Nature is something to milk until she's dry.  So now we reap the whirlwind of climate change, loss of biodiversity, soil erosion, and food security.  

As long as people think they can shop for what they need, and give their time and labor over to a boss or corporation, they will just be following the Wall Street elite and its Congressional friends down the slippery slope of petrocollapse and climate extinction.

A symptom of a greater problem should not command all our attention.  An example is the problem with Priuses.  Please enjoy the cartoon on our recent story, Stuck Accelerators: Toyotas and the Fossil-Fuel Growth Economy http://culturechange.org/go.html?602

Was "Our Democracy" ever ours?  Exactly where does Lessig want us to get back to?

Hope all's well with you,

Jan

On Feb 8, 2010, at 10:57 AM, John Holtzclaw wrote:


The article below might seem unfair to Dems since it focuses on the Obama
presidency and does not report on how much worse the Reps are. However
Obama did campaign on changing this system.

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How to fix our broken Congress and get our democracy back
By Lawrence Lessig
SF Chronicle
Sun, 7 Feb 2010

We are now one year into the Obama presidency, and it is already clear that
this administration is an opportunity missed: not because it is too
conservative or too liberal but because it is too conventional. The
president has given up the rhetoric of his early campaign, which promised
to “fundamentally change the way Washington works.”

Obama once decried allowing “lobbyists and campaign contributions to rig
the system.” The reason he was running, he said, was “to challenge that
system.” Without a fight, he said, fundamental change “will keep getting
blocked by the defenders of the status quo.”

But this administration has not taken up that fight. Instead, it has played
a political game no different from the one George W. Bush or Bill Clinton
played.

And as it stands now, Obama will leave the presidency with Washington
intact and the movement he inspired betrayed. The movement for change needs
new leadership. On the right and the left, there is an unstoppable
recognition that our government has failed. But both sides need to
understand the source of its failure.

At the center of our government lies a bankrupt institution: Congress. Not
financially bankrupt, at least not yet, but politically bankrupt.
Increasingly, faith in Congress has collapsed. Just 21 percent of Americans
approve of how Congress does its job. Why? Because Congress has a
pathological dependence upon campaign cash. The U.S.

Congress has become the Fundraising Congress.

This corruption is not hidden. Consider the story Robert Kaiser tells in
his fantastic book, “So Damn Much Money,” about former Sen. John Stennis.
No choirboy himself, Stennis was urged to solicit campaign funds from
military contractors for his 1982 re-election bid while he was chairman of
the Armed Services Committee. “Would that be proper?” Stennis asked. “I
hold life and death over those companies. I don’t think it would be proper
for me to take money from them.”

Is such a concept even imaginable today? Compare Stennis with Max Baucus,
who when controlling health care in the Senate gladly opened his campaign
chest to more than $4 million in contributions from the health care and
insurance industries. Or Sens. Joe Lieberman, independent-Conn., Evan Bayh,
D-Ind., Bill Nelson, D-Fla., and Mary Landrieu, D-La., who took millions
from insurance interests and then opposed (in their states) the wildly
popular public option for health care. The list is endless, the practice
open and notorious.

Members of Congress insist that this money has no effect. But if money
doesn’t affect results, what could possibly explain the failures of our
government? From the perspective of what the people want, the Fundraising
Congress is misfiring in every direction. That is either because Congress
is filled with idiots or because Congress depends on something other than
policy sense. In my view, Congress is not filled with idiots.

As someone who has known Barack Obama for almost 20 years, I would have bet
my career that he understood this. If you had told me in 2008 that Obama
expected to radically remake the American economy without first radically
changing this corrupted machinery of government, I would not have believed
it. Yet a year into this administration, reforming Congress is nowhere on
the administration’s radar.

There was a way Obama might have governed differently. It would have been
risky, but in his first speech to the nation, he could have built on the
rhetoric at the core of his campaign. On Jan. 20, 2009, Obama could have
said: America has spoken. It has demanded fundamental change. I commit to
work with Congress to produce it. But if we fail, or more precisely, if
Congress allows the special interests that control it to block change, it
will be time to remake Congress. Not by throwing out the Democrats or the
Republicans, but by throwing out both. If this Congress fails to deliver
change, then we will change Congress.

Had he framed his administration in these terms, the failure to implement
his agenda would not be the failure of Obama to woo Republicans. It would
have been what America was already primed to believe: a failure of this
corrupted institution.

We can hope that Obama recognizes these missteps. But as we’ve seen, hope
will only get us so far. What’s needed now is a citizens’ movement to stop
the Fundraising Congress. We need to demand change, including publicly
funded elections, a seven-year ban on lobbying for any former member of
Congress and amendments to the Constitution to assure that reform can
survive the Roberts Supreme Court.

Nor can one exaggerate the need for this reform. Our government is, as New
York Times columnist Paul Krugman put it, “ominously dysfunctional” at a
time when the world desperately needs at least competence. Global warming,
pandemic disease, a crashing economy — these are not problems we can leave
to distracted souls. We are at one of those rare moments when a nation must
remake itself to restore its government to its high ideals and the
potential of its people.

Copyright­ 2010 the Nation

Lawrence Lessig, a professor of law at Harvard Law School, and is
co-founder of the nonprofit Change Congress. Send your feedback to us
through our online form at SFGate.com/chronicle/submissions/#1.


#7790 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Mon Feb 8, 2010 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: Brit Public loses faith in climate change science
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At 07:59 AM 2/8/2010, you wrote:
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>
>How many people think this kind of backlash is due to corporate
>influencers making sure to blow the climategate and related issues
>out of proportion to the point that they seem like a scandal?
>
>In the most recent Radio Ecoshock one of the interviewed suggested
>that the backlash might be enormous.

Ergo one learns the lesson of how really to influence people. Lie
publicly to get your way.

#7789 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Mon Feb 8, 2010 5:20 pm
Subject: Who owns you
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It goes much deeper than owning the president:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/08/wall_street/index.html
Wall Street owners angry with their purchase


#7788 From: David Herron <david@...>
Date: Mon Feb 8, 2010 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: Brit Public loses faith in climate change science
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How many people think this kind of backlash is due to corporate influencers making sure to blow the climategate and related issues out of proportion to the point that they seem like a scandal?

In the most recent Radio Ecoshock one of the interviewed suggested that the backlash might be enormous.

- David Herron


On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Steven Robinson <srobin21@...> wrote:
 

Public loses faith in climate change science after leaked emails scandal

Surveys show increase in number of people who believe claims are exaggerated

By Jo Adetunji
The Guardian - UK
February 7, 2010

The number of Britons who believe the science of climate change has fallen
over the last 12 months, according to recent polls. Although the vast
majority of people still believe the planet is heating up, there has been an
increase in those who believe climate change claims are exaggerated.

Public perception could have been influenced by the recent scandal of leaked
emails between climate change scientists at the University of East Anglia.
The emails, which appeared to encourage data to be kept from Freedom of
Information requests, have been seized upon by climate change sceptics -
although none of them dispute the science behind the "greenhouse effect" of
gases such as carbon dioxide, which traps solar heat and warms the
atmosphere.

A BBC poll, which surveyed 1,000 people, revealed that 25% of adults did not
believe in global warming - a rise of 8% since a similar poll in November -
and the percentage of those who thought climate change was a reality fell to
75%. Of those who believed, one in three felt climate change had been
exaggerated. Only 26% of people thought climate change was "established as
largely manmade".

Robert Watson, the chief scientific adviser for the Department for
Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, said the results were "very
disappointing". "The fact that there has been a very significant drop in the
number of people that believe that we humans are changing the Earth's
climate is serious," he told the BBC. According to an Ipsos poll of 1,048
people, the proportion of the public who believe in climate change has
dropped from 44% to 31% in the past year.

It has been claimed most Tory MPs are sceptical about the party's focus on
climate change policy. Tim Montgomerie, editor of the ConservativeHome
website, said at least six shadow cabinet ministers were sceptical about the
economic consequences of a low-carbon policy.

The polls come as Professor Phil Jones, the director of climate research at
the University of East Anglia who is at the centre of the leaked emails
scandal, said he had received death threats since the correspondence was
published online. He told the Sunday Times: "There were death threats. I was
shocked. People said I should go and kill myself."

Allegations about the accuracy of a 2007 report produced by the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change - including a claim that global
warming could cut north African crop production by 50% by 2020 - could
damage public perception further. The claim, used in a speech by Ban
Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, has since been questioned.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/07/climate-change-science-public-trust

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#7787 From: Paul Nellen <pnellen@...>
Date: Mon Feb 8, 2010 8:22 am
Subject: What can America learn from Europe?
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Last year I praised my notable experiences that I made in the US during my 2006 trip across "Peak Oil Country USA" (see http://www.energybulletin.net/node/48128 ). Europe can learn a lot from how America on a community and on grassroots level tackles the Peak Oil problem (Willits, Portland,OR, San Francisco, Bloomington, IN...).

Now my friend and co-editor of longitudes.org, Steven Hill (San Francisco), Political Reform Director at the New American Foundation, took the inverse direction by writing a book on the issue, What can America learn from Europe? "Europe's Promise: Why the European Way is the Best Hope in an Insecure Age" is available now in your bookstore or via AMAZON, etc.

Different presentations that show Steven giving lectures & interviews about his book are available on YouTube now. The shortest is 9 minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQgZRgRxNUs&feature=channel

The longest one is about 1 h:30 min, available here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wwq3Q9ODVI&feature=channel

From the dispatch note:

"A quiet revolution has been occurring in post-World War II Europe. A world power has emerged across the Atlantic that is recrafting the rules for how a modern society should provide economic security, environmental sustainability, and global stability. For a decade Steven Hill traveled widely to understand this uniquely European way of life. In his new book, Europe's Promise: Why the European Way is the Best Hope in an Insecure Age, Mr. Hill explains Europe's bold new vision, and how Europe has taken the lead in this make-or-break century challenged by a worldwide economic crisis and global climate change.Europe's Promise shatters myths and shows how Europe's leadership manifests in several major areas: economic strength, with Europe now the world's largest trading bloc, producing nearly a third of the worlds economy, almost as large as the U.S. and China combined; a social capitalism which fosters a more broadly shared prosperity, including the best health care and other social supports for families and individuals; widespread use of renewable energy and conservation technologies; and a smart power foreign policy built around regional networks of trade, foreign aid, and investment that link one-third of the world to the European Union."

Please give Steven a try.

paul




#7786 From: "Steven Robinson" <srobin21@...>
Date: Mon Feb 8, 2010 5:32 am
Subject: Brit Public loses faith in climate change science
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Public loses faith in climate change science after leaked emails scandal

Surveys show increase in number of people who believe claims are exaggerated

By Jo Adetunji
The Guardian - UK
February 7, 2010

The number of Britons who believe the science of climate change has fallen
over the last 12 months, according to recent polls. Although the vast
majority of people still believe the planet is heating up, there has been an
increase in those who believe climate change claims are exaggerated.

Public perception could have been influenced by the recent scandal of leaked
emails between climate change scientists at the University of East Anglia.
The emails, which appeared to encourage data to be kept from Freedom of
Information requests, have been seized upon by climate change sceptics -
although none of them dispute the science behind the "greenhouse effect" of
gases such as carbon dioxide, which traps solar heat and warms the
atmosphere.

A BBC poll, which surveyed 1,000 people, revealed that 25% of adults did not
believe in global warming - a rise of 8% since a similar poll in November -
and the percentage of those who thought climate change was a reality fell to
75%. Of those who believed, one in three felt climate change had been
exaggerated. Only 26% of people thought climate change was "established as
largely manmade".

Robert Watson, the chief scientific adviser for the Department for
Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, said the results were "very
disappointing". "The fact that there has been a very significant drop in the
number of people that believe that we humans are changing the Earth's
climate is serious," he told the BBC. According to an Ipsos poll of 1,048
people, the proportion of the public who believe in climate change has
dropped from 44% to 31% in the past year.

It has been claimed most Tory MPs are sceptical about the party's focus on
climate change policy. Tim Montgomerie, editor of the ConservativeHome
website, said at least six shadow cabinet ministers were sceptical about the
economic consequences of a low-carbon policy.

The polls come as Professor Phil Jones, the director of climate research at
the University of East Anglia who is at the centre of the leaked emails
scandal, said he had received death threats since the correspondence was
published online. He told the Sunday Times: "There were death threats. I was
shocked. People said I should go and kill myself."

Allegations about the accuracy of a 2007 report produced by the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change - including a claim that global
warming could cut north African crop production by 50% by 2020 - could
damage public perception further. The claim, used in a speech by Ban
Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, has since been questioned.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/07/climate-change-science-public-\
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#7785 From: Bryan Boot <bboot@...>
Date: Sun Feb 7, 2010 9:53 pm
Subject: Re: Killer Car Loses Green Devotees
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On Feb 6, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Dennis Brumm wrote:

> Most Prius drivers
> should just admit it, they save a bit of money
> buying a bit less gasoline than they would
> otherwise, but the end result is they can spend
> it elsewhere.

A lot of Prius drivers I know have enormous commutes.  It's almost as if driving
a Prius justifies it.  Another case of efficiency = more consumption.

#7784 From: Jeanne <greengal@...>
Date: Sat Feb 6, 2010 9:49 pm
Subject: [Fwd: [Sustain] Vote Now! Chronicle Poll: Clean Power or PG&E!]
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Hi all,

Today's Chronicle has a poll asking whether San Francisco and Marin should move forward with Community Choice/CleanPowerSF. (In the poll, they call it "public power".)  Of course choose the third option: "Yes, and San Francisco should too".

Vote Now at: http://www.sfgate.com/polls/qlist.shtml?/polls/2010/02/04/public , or below in the article's left sidebar.

Make your voice heard!  Please Vote now and forward on to others that want a clean energy future and local green jobs!  In addition to any computers you have, you can also vote from smart phones and PDAs; one vote per machine.
  
PS: PG&E will probably ask their employees to vote from any computers they have so its really important that we show strong support for Community Choice/CleanPowerSF and Public Power today! 

PPS: The article has great news about Marin Clean Energy moving forward. 

Marin County to provide power, oust PG&E

David R. Baker, Chronicle Staff Writer

Marin County is poised to jump into the public power business, despite fierce opposition from Pacific Gas and Electric Co.

The Question

Should Marin County begin providing public power?

Yes, way out of the PG&E monopoly
No, it will wind up costing more
And San Francisco should too

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In a series of votes tonight, officials with the Marin Energy Authority are expected to take some of the last key steps necessary to start providing electricity to many of the county's residents and businesses, taking over a role now filled by PG&E. The organization is a joint-powers authority formed by the county and all of its cities except Corte Madera, Larkspur, Novato and Ross.

The authority's board is scheduled to vote tonight on a proposed contract with Shell Energy North America to line up wholesale electricity supplies from power plants, wind farms and solar facilities. The board also is scheduled to set the authority's electricity rates, matching PG&E's rates for most customers.

"This is the final seal on a lot of the work we've been doing," said Dawn Weisz, the authority's interim director. "We've been working on this for seven years."

If all goes as planned, the Marin Energy Authority would start supplying electricity to some customers in May.

It would be state's first example of a new kind of public power, known as community choice aggregation. Created by a state law in 2002, community choice allows towns, cities or counties to buy electricity for their residents, while traditional utility companies such as PG&E continue to own and operate the electrical grid. San Francisco is developing its community choice aggregation system.

"I'm just totally thrilled that it's finally happening," said Paul Fenn, who drafted the law and now helps communities adopt community choice aggregation. "This is a very big thing."

But Marin's plan still faces hurdles placed in its path by PG&E.

The utility, based in San Francisco, argues that Marin residents will end up paying more for power in the long run if the authority moves forward. PG&E also has complained that, under California's laws, the authority should have performed an environmental impact report before setting up its system.

PG&E has funded an initiative on the June ballot that would make it far harder for anyone to adopt community choice aggregation in the future. Although the initiative would come too late to stop Marin, it could complicate any efforts by the Marin Energy Authority to expand.

Finally, PG&E has threatened not to deliver electricity to the authority over the utility's power lines.

"We are obligated to not deliver power if we believe that (the authority) is not complying with (community choice aggregation) tariffs and the law," said PG&E spokeswoman Katie Romans.

But the community choice aggregation law explicitly requires utilities to cooperate with communities that adopt the system, said Marin County Supervisor Charles McGlashan, who also serves as the energy authority's chairman. PG&E's threat, he said, "is patently illegal, but they don't seem to care."

E-mail David R. Baker at dbaker@....

This article appeared on page D - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/02/04/BUN81BS696.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz0egPIHnHP

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The Question

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23%
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#7783 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Sat Feb 6, 2010 5:11 pm
Subject: Re: Killer Car Loses Green Devotees
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At 04:37 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote:
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>
>Hi Denis,
>Ahern isn't alone.  I knew a woman in Eugene who
>actually thought that whenever she drove her
>Prius she was helping the environment.  I think
>she was the spiritual offspring of HAL.


Another example of Green Religion© (patent
pending) again. The need to believe usurps any
sort of rational thought. Most Prius drivers
should just admit it, they save a bit of money
buying a bit less gasoline than they would
otherwise, but the end result is they can spend
it elsewhere. In all but the teensiest number of
instances, that uses more fossil fuels.

And of course the resource use and environmental
damage caused in making a Prius compared to
"normal" cars might take more than the life of the car to offset, regardless.

Now if Prius owners they took all the gas money
they saved out of the bank in cash and composted
it (first I was going to suggest "burn it" what
was I thinking of?), it would show their hearts
were pure and help offset the American Money
Printing Press business leading us toward hyper-inflation, right?

I shall not hold my breath for this.

#7782 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Sat Feb 6, 2010 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy
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At 02:14 AM 2/6/2010, you wrote:
>Just how we might exploit the ability to teleport energy isn't clear
>yet. Post your suggestions in the comments section if you have any.

What we can do is teleport it to distant places to kill our enemies.
Or more likely that is the sort of thing we WOULD do with this if it
ever were to go anywhere, which it may, but I sort of doubt.

Another nice thing would be to teleport it from somewhere to Colorado
Springs' street lights.

#7781 From: Paul Nellen <pnellen@...>
Date: Sat Feb 6, 2010 10:14 am
Subject: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy
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Perhaps pure Sci-Fi but maybe a sober sensation, too?

Paul
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http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24759/

Wednesday, February 03, 2010

Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy

First, they teleported photons, then atoms and ions. Now one physicist has worked out how to do it with energy, a technique that has profound implications for the future of physics.

In 1993, Charlie Bennett at IBM's Watson Research Center in New York State and a few pals showed how to transmit quantum information from one point in space to another without traversing the intervening space.

The technique relies on the strange quantum phenomenon called entanglement, in which two particles share the same existence. This deep connection means that a measurement on one particle immediately influences the other, even though they are light-years apart. Bennett and company worked out how to exploit this to send information. (The influence between the particles may be immediate, but the process does not violate relativity because some informatiom has to be sent classically at the speed of light.) They called the technique teleportation.

That's not really an overstatement of its potential. Since quantum particles are indistinguishable but for the information they carry, there is no need to transmit them themselves. A much simpler idea is to send the information they contain instead and ensure that there is a ready supply of particles at the other end to take on their identity. Since then, physicists have used these ideas to actually teleport photons, atoms, and ions. And it's not too hard to imagine that molecules and perhaps even viruses could be teleported in the not-too-distant future.

But Masahiro Hotta at Tohoku University in Japan has come up with a much more exotic idea. Why not use the same quantum principles to teleport energy?

Today, building on a number of papers published in the last year, Hotta outlines his idea and its implications. The process of teleportation involves making a measurement on each one an entangled pair of particles. He points out that the measurement on the first particle injects quantum energy into the system. He then shows that by carefully choosing the measurement to do on the second particle, it is possible to extract the original energy.

All this is possible because there are always quantum fluctuations in the energy of any particle. The teleportation process allows you to inject quantum energy at one point in the universe and then exploit quantum energy fluctuations to extract it from another point. Of course, the energy of the system as whole is unchanged.

He gives the example of a string of entangled ions oscillating back and forth in an electric field trap, a bit like Newton's balls. Measuring the state of the first ion injects energy into the system in the form of a phonon, a quantum of oscillation. Hotta says that performing the right kind of measurement on the last ion extracts this energy. Since this can be done at the speed of light (in principle), the phonon doesn't travel across the intermediate ions so there is no heating of these ions. The energy has been transmitted without traveling across the intervening space. That's teleportation.

Just how we might exploit the ability to teleport energy isn't clear yet. Post your suggestions in the comments section if you have any.

But the really exciting stuff is the implications this has for the foundations of physics. Hotta says that his approach gives physicists a way of exploring the relationship between quantum information and quantum energy for the first time.

There is a growing sense that the properties of the universe are best described not by the laws that govern matter but by the laws that govern information. This appears to be true for the quantum world, is certainly true for special relativity, and is currently being explored for general relativity. Having a way to handle energy on the same footing may help to draw these diverse strands together.

Interesting stuff. There's no telling where this kind of thinking might lead.


Ref: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1002.0200v1 : Energy-Entanglement Relation for Quantum Energy Teleportation




#7780 From: "Larry Fishman" <larfishm@...>
Date: Sat Feb 6, 2010 12:41 am
Subject: Re: Heh, PG&E and their Shrill Shills Get into the Act:
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Dennis,

Does that mean you have finally joined with PG&E, small businesses,
labor, and community organizations to back a sensible energy policy? :-)

Larry


On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:24:15 -0800, "Dennis Brumm" <brumm@...>
said:
> RISKY, DANGEROUS....... "Think of the children!"
> - well, almost. Just arrived ala email. Obviously
> radical green terrorists are trying to cut into PG&Es profits...:
>
>
>
> Dear San Francisco Resident,
>
> The City and County of San Francisco (CCSF) is
> moving forward with a risky plan known as
> Community Choice Aggregation (CCA). Under the
> plan, CCSF is expected to create a new government
> energy bureaucracy, and spend hundreds of
> millions of dollars entering the complex power
> industry to purchase and sell electricity. It
> will do all of this without your vote.
>
> <http://m1.politicalinfomail.com/fs/d:l/xyhw2v9bw1t4hy/ylyi796bp54qqa/1>Learn
> more about how this might affect you on the Common Sense San Francisco
> website.
>
> Created by Sacramento legislation, CCA will
> automatically enroll you – without your consent –
> unless you proactively opt out.
>
> <http://m1.politicalinfomail.com/fs/d:l/xyhw2v9bw1t4hy/ylyi796bp54qqa/2>Get
> all the facts on Community Choice Aggregation here.
>
> Unless San Francisco politicians reject this
> risky scheme, you will be locked into the CCA
> system and you could be charged unspecified “exit
> fees” should you choose to leave after the initial opt-out period.
>
> We formed the
> <http://m1.politicalinfomail.com/fs/d:l/xyhw2v9bw1t4hy/ylyi796bp54qqa/3>San
> Francisco Common Sense Coalition to educate
> voters about the risks associated with
> government-run energy bureaucracies. Over 40,000
> San Franciscans have already joined our
> coalition. We are working to make sure that San
> Francisco electric consumers aren’t penalized by CCA.
>
> There's still time to make a difference. Tell the
> politicians right now: San Francisco should opt
> out of this risky plan. Call the Board of
> Supervisors (415) 554-5184 or email them at
> <mailto:board.of.supervisors@...>board.of.supervisors@....
>
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> our coalition today and we'll keep you informed on this risky program.
>
> Thank you,
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>
> The Members of the San Francisco Common Sense Coalition
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#7779 From: Jan Lundberg <jan@...>
Date: Sat Feb 6, 2010 12:37 am
Subject: Re: Killer Car Loses Green Devotees
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Hi Denis,
Ahern isn't alone.  I knew a woman in Eugene who actually thought that whenever she drove her Prius she was helping the environment.  I think she was the spiritual offspring of HAL.
For more laughs, see the cartoon by my nephew in this article I put up today on Culture Change:
Stuck Accelerators: Toyotas and the Fossil-Fuel Growth Economy      
by Jan Lundberg    
http://culturechange.org/go.html?602
Sad story mainly, but not as sad as the gov't officials and corporate media in their delusions.  At least we see some good directions to go in.  
Jan

On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Dennis Brumm wrote:

Some people on this list have historically been impressed and mentioned how the hybrid Toyota Prius was a killer car. I had no idea that they meant it literally. Watching it unfold, it's almost like reliving the strain of HAL in 2001: A Space Odyssey, only with cars instead of a space ship.

Does this mean we will do the General Motors thing now to save Toyota?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/business/04owners.html?scp=3&sq=prius&st=cse 

Some of the quotes in it are reasonably amusing:

'Tim Ahern, a spokesman for the environmental group the Trust for the Public Land, said he had bought a Prius for his commute from Sacramento  about 80 miles east of here  for the same reason cited by many buyers: Mother Earth.

“I was driving,” Mr. Ahern said. “But I was also doing something good for the environment.”'

Something good for the environment? How bizarre. My world filters and his are not only on different pages, but I think in differing volumes of competing books.

D



#7778 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Sat Feb 6, 2010 12:00 am
Subject: Killer Car Loses Green Devotees
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Some people on this list have historically been impressed and mentioned how the hybrid Toyota Prius was a killer car. I had no idea that they meant it literally. Watching it unfold, it's almost like reliving the strain of HAL in 2001: A Space Odyssey, only with cars instead of a space ship.

Does this mean we will do the General Motors thing now to save Toyota?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/business/04owners.html?scp=3&sq=prius&st=cse

Some of the quotes in it are reasonably amusing:

'Tim Ahern, a spokesman for the environmental group the Trust for the Public Land, said he had bought a Prius for his commute from Sacramento ­ about 80 miles east of here ­ for the same reason cited by many buyers: Mother Earth.

“I was driving,” Mr. Ahern said. “But I was also doing something good for the environment.”'

Something good for the environment? How bizarre. My world filters and his are not only on different pages, but I think in differing volumes of competing books.

D

#7777 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 11:24 pm
Subject: Heh, PG&E and their Shrill Shills Get into the Act:
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RISKY, DANGEROUS....... "Think of the children!" - well, almost. Just arrived ala email. Obviously radical green terrorists are trying to cut into PG&Es profits...:


Dear San Francisco Resident,

The City and County of San Francisco (CCSF) is moving forward with a risky plan known as Community Choice Aggregation (CCA). Under the plan, CCSF is expected to create a new government energy bureaucracy, and spend hundreds of millions of dollars entering the complex power industry to purchase and sell electricity. It will do all of this without your vote.

Learn more about how this might affect you on the Common Sense San Francisco website.

Created by Sacramento legislation, CCA will automatically enroll you – without your consent – unless you proactively opt out.

Get all the facts on Community Choice Aggregation here.

Unless San Francisco politicians reject this risky scheme, you will be locked into the CCA system and you could be charged unspecified “exit fees” should you choose to leave after the initial opt-out period.

We formed the San Francisco Common Sense Coalition to educate voters about the risks associated with government-run energy bureaucracies. Over 40,000 San Franciscans have already joined our coalition. We are working to make sure that San Francisco electric consumers aren’t penalized by CCA.

There's still time to make a difference. Tell the politicians right now: San Francisco should opt out of this risky plan. Call the Board of Supervisors (415) 554-5184 or email them at board.of.supervisors@....

Join our coalition today and we'll keep you informed on this risky program.

Thank you,


The Members of the San Francisco Common Sense Coalition


P.S. Join the San Francisco Common Sense Coalition here and forward this email to a few friends to make sure they are informed.



This information was provided by Coalition for Reliable and Affordable Electricity, a coalition of concerned consumers, small businesses, labor, community organizations and Pacific Gas and Electric Company.

#7776 From: Bryan Boot <bboot@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 11:03 pm
Subject: Re: Sharp reduction in unemployment claims expected
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On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Cal wrote:

> In glancing over the proposed increases and decreases in department budgets
> by Obama et al, I noticed this severe drop for DoL (other departments have
> much smaller percentage increases or decreases):

The broadest measure of money supply growth, M3, has recently turned negative. 
Historically, the payroll employment number lags M3 by about 6 months (see
chart).  In other words, unemployment is set to explode higher in the months
ahead.


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#7775 From: "Cal" <mainevent@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 10:27 pm
Subject: Re: Is Obama Really Preparing For Civil War?
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On Thu, February 4, 2010 1:36 pm, Dennis Brumm wrote:
> At 11:34 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote:
>
> I think it worships profit (and so do most of "the masses"). We
> define power through money. There is no morals about it, just
> accumulation of it. Funny thing is, the people I know who accumulated
> the most of it were generally some of the most miserable I've
> encountered. Maybe in a different way than those hungry on the
> streets, but nonetheless, their paradigm is askew and they couldn't see
> that.

Must of the rich people I know are quite happy.  They are appear to me
to be disconnected from the experience of most people (and that may
in part contribute to their happiness).

> I've come to think that anarchism as a system could never begin
> to work in an overpopulated planet of 7 billion. I don't think group
> concensus is of much use in groups above about 20 in size, but
> sometimes even that is too many. We cooperate, but not so well really.

I'm involved in an effort take a community (definitely larger than 20)
that's been primarily a hierarchy (mostly from a single leader) and
transform it into a collaborative community.  We use something a little
higher-grade than consensus that has each of us "owning" and "aligning
with" the decisions we agree to.  A question I've raised is "How much
hierarchy will we retain?"  (This comes from the sense that neither
extreme, hierarchy or flat structure, by itself works all that well.)
I'll let you know how all this turns out.  (I acknolwege that this is
definitely easier is a self-selected community.)

> I'm going to stick with the Unreformed Pastafarianism movement for
> the moment. All of life's meaning can be understood on the tip of a
> piece of spaghetti.

Yeah, I've never quite understood the quest for the meaning of life.
(Though I do think having some clarity of the sense of one's purpose
can be helpful, but it's not for everyone.)

Yours,
Cal

#7774 From: "Cal" <mainevent@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 10:16 pm
Subject: Sharp reduction in unemployment claims expected
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In glancing over the proposed increases and decreases in department budgets
by Obama et al, I noticed this severe drop for DoL (other departments have
much smaller percentage increases or decreases):

Agency: Labor

Spending: $117.5 billion

Percentage change from 2010: 43 percent decrease

Mandatory Spending: $103.5 billion

Highlights: The Labor Department would see a major drop in spending for
its unemployment insurance programs. That's because the administration
forecasts an economic rebound and expects fewer people to claim
unemployment benefits.

Full story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_budget_agency_highlights

#7773 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 4:33 pm
Subject: Metaphors
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Wikipedia: "Shouting fire in a crowded theater" is a popular metaphor and frequent misquoting of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919. The misquote fails to mention falsely shouting fire to highlight that speech which is merely dangerous and false which can be distinguished from truthful but also dangerous.

Hmm, what is it when there's smoke in the theater and someone shouts "fire truck!" to keep people from panic and in their seats? Or "the smoke won't get THAT bad?" Or even "Green fire truck over the horizon with solar panels used to pump water to run the hose!"?

#7772 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Fri Feb 5, 2010 3:56 pm
Subject: Greer "goes doomer"
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The Druid guy was never exactly a pollyanna like some, but still he used to talk about slow collapse and sound mighty chipper at times. But his feeling this morning mirrors what I felt last night as I listened to NPR as I was going to sleep, listening to the talking heads of the great liberal hope put their rosy assessment onto the news, reprocessing it through my own filters (and wondering how the hell they can say with a straight face the economy is better, rah rah, then immediately follow that by saying 5 months from now 50% of mortgages may be in default... or maybe it was that they already "could be" if the loan holders didn't feel "shame")

Anyway, Greer sounds less pollyanna right now:
..."Those of my readers who want to see some part of the heritage of the present saved for the future" I wonder how to go about the parts we'd like to see erased but fear will be intensified...?

And the part about "clear their debts" - I'm wondering why? Are debtors prisons or just around the corner? Or just because that's what we do that is moral whether or not banks and money lenders have acted morally toward us? It sounds stupid to me.

Such an odd twist that real estate, that supposed nest egg of the american dream, has become so often the expensive yoke no one wants around their neck.

Posted on ROE3 this a.m.:
"Those of my readers who haven't already been beggared by the unraveling of what's left of the economy, and have some hope of keeping a roof over their heads for the foreseeable future, might be well advised to stock their pantries, clear their debts, and get to know their neighbors, if they haven't taken these sensible steps already. Those of my readers who haven't taken the time already to learn a practical skill or two, well enough that others might be willing to pay or barter for the results, had better get a move on. Those of my readers who want to see some part of the heritage of the present saved for the future, finally, may want to do something practical about that, and soon. I may be wrong – and to be frank, I hope that I'm wrong – but it looks increasingly to me as though we're in for a very rough time in the very near future. "
John Michael Greer

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2010/02/endgame.html
He used to be somewhat optimistic

#7771 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Thu Feb 4, 2010 9:36 pm
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At 11:34 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote:
>
>
>Yeah, Jung was the apostate. And the system pretty much shut him
>down.  It wasn't until the humanist movement, in stark reaction to
>the Ivory Tower's fascination with Behaviorism brought him out of
>the closet did he really start to shine.  Or should I say, his books
>and ideas became popular with the rebels of the 60's, especially as
>the psychedelic movement expanded.  It was, of course from the
>humanist critique that gave us Esellan, Harbin Hot Springs and the
>whole Buddhist/Asian spiritual perspective.  Until that open took
>place, the US was a black and white duality.  Lots of pompous
>christians and a growing, capitalist dark side.

According to that documentary I posted a link to it was Wilhelm Reich
who inspired the humanists in the younng generation in the 60s. Hell
if I know that for sure. (He was a Freudian apostate too.)

>Its official the US military is now a believer in NLP, and its
>probably not gonna be too long before somebody finally outs the car
>and advertising industry as the first major user of psychology to
>brainwash people.  How oddly uncomfortable it is that Edward Bernay,
>the biggest PR expert of the 20th century would be a cousin of Freud
>and his Coke ridden ideas.

I don't believe Freud was necessarily wrong. His ideas about how to
reign in the subconscious (used by Bernays to "sell to" it) seem to
have worked exactly as planned.

But it's sort of like "we've split the atom, but don't make a bomb..."

Anyway, most of the people I know who did a lot of coke never came up
with any great ideas, mostly concern about whether or not there was
more coke available.


>This society is the most perverted culture on the planet.  The
>corporate media worships the dark side, as a means to entertain and
>promote its Darwinist, or may I restate perverted sense of power it
>employs upon the masses.

I think it worships profit (and so do most of "the masses"). We
define power through money. There is no morals about it, just
accumulation of it. Funny thing is, the people I know who accumulated
the most of it were generally some of the most miserable I've
encountered. Maybe in a different way than those hungry on the
streets, but nonetheless, their paradigm is askew and they couldn't see that.

>Anarchist values is a good starting point, however, it has mostly
>de-evolved into a post punk working class narcism.

Yep. I've come to think that anarchism as a system could never begin
to work in an overpopulated planet of 7 billion. I don't think group
concensus is of much use in groups above about 20 in size, but
sometimes even that is too many. We cooperate, but not so well really.

>I've spent my entire adult life dealing with computer programming
>and logic.  Its this kind of process that has allowed us to create
>the most amazingly complex system of tools like the computer we are
>doing this on.  Maybe some day we will be able to use it to truly
>sort out what our core reality is. It certainly has the potential
>the transmit ideas and potential change unlike any 100th Monkey theory.

I'm going to stick with the Unreformed Pastafarianism movement for
the moment. All of life's meaning can be understood on the tip of a
piece of spaghetti.

>I've spent years watching the behavior of squirrels along the
>coastline of the bay area.  We have a lot to learn yet about the
>natural world.

They used to go into biological overshoot and die off too, at least
in the midwest in the 1800s. Took death marches or something. I read
that in a dentist's office in some pop science magazine about 10 years ago.

#7770 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Thu Feb 4, 2010 9:21 pm
Subject: In Search of the Elusive Pint of Blood (Medical)
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From Medi-cal this morning. Increasing state desperation in "dire
economic times!"

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#7769 From: Bryan Boot <bboot@...>
Date: Thu Feb 4, 2010 8:17 pm
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On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:34 AM, roger Herried wrote:

> I've spent my entire adult life dealing with computer programming and logic. 
Its this kind of process that has allowed us to create the most amazingly
complex system of tools like the computer we are doing this on.

Don't forget David F's potato analogy.  Abundant usable surplus energy enabled
us to reach this level of complexity.  In permanent energy decline this
complexity is ultimately doomed.  The chaotic nature of decline will likely mask
the relationship though.

I guess an exception would be if our technology was self-replicating, adaptable,
and capable of harvesting its own needed energy.  But then, on an already
overtaxed planet we would have to compete for survival against our own
technology, heh.

#7768 From: roger Herried <rogerh@...>
Date: Thu Feb 4, 2010 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: Is Obama Really Preparing For Civil War?
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Yeah, Jung was the apostate. And the system pretty much shut him down.  It wasn't until the humanist movement, in stark reaction to the Ivory Tower's fascination with Behaviorism brought him out of the closet did he really start to shine.  Or should I say, his books and ideas became popular with the rebels of the 60's, especially as the psychedelic movement expanded.  It was, of course from the humanist critique that gave us Esellan, Harbin Hot Springs and the whole Buddhist/Asian spiritual perspective.  Until that open took place, the US was a black and white duality.  Lots of pompous christians and a growing, capitalist dark side. 

Its official the US military is now a believer in NLP, and its probably not gonna be too long before somebody finally outs the car and advertising industry as the first major user of psychology to brainwash people.  How oddly uncomfortable it is that Edward Bernay, the biggest PR expert of the 20th century would be a cousin of Freud and his Coke ridden ideas.  Personally, I'd like to see a list of all the major scientific types of the last two hundred years and what if any their personal relationships they may or may not of had with coke (the drug).

This society is the most perverted culture on the planet.  The corporate media worships the dark side, as a means to entertain and promote its Darwinist, or may I restate perverted sense of power it employs upon the masses.  As somebody that thinks the NLP/Ericsonian concept that we are mostly a bunch of tape loops cut and pasted on top of a neural network,  its not hard to shape people's values. Its just done over a bit larger soundbyte than what good old Americans are capable of being aware of. 

I like how the online Zeitgheist documentary uncovers the pagan/Egyptian roots of the core christian Myth as originally being a near exact duplication of the Egyptian sun God Horus. Prior to the advent of monotheism, there were clearly a very long history of how prehistoric cultures related to the natural world and it included what Campbell suggested as archetypal behavior that incorporated the unknown.  In a recent National Geographic special a French scientist has been attempting to convince the scientific community that the ancient cave drawings in France that are 14,000 years old and older are the earliest examples of Zodiac/calendars.  Its as if the modern world itself is incapable of understanding why our ancestors might even conceive a need to understand time by tracking the stars as if it our ancestors were too stupid to identify patterns beyond a 3rd grader, unless it was done under the Judeo/Christian framework.

Anarchist values is a good starting point, however, it has mostly de-evolved into a post punk working class narcism.  Humanity as its being constructed here in the U.S. with its Ayne Randian agenda has succeeded in creating the most alienated, anti-social human ever seen since the  first Roman era, which I think we are doing our best at recreating right down to the Gladiator sports with the fastest growing being the immensely perverse professional wrestling cult.  Get a couple of stop action images of the crowd at the peak blood lust moments....  

We are dealing with probably a million years of mythical behavior.  Extracting it from the human condition isn't coherent. Tossing the Middle Eastern myths that currently pushing billions of people towards some kind of Apocalyptic prophecy, more than likely meant for Nero and the previous imperial era is kind of like trying to extract radiation from our DNA, but yet, if we don't get on with making the attempt, it will only lead to further perversion of whatever might actually be some kind of human potential.

I've spent my entire adult life dealing with computer programming and logic.  Its this kind of process that has allowed us to create the most amazingly complex system of tools like the computer we are doing this on.  Maybe some day we will be able to use it to truly sort out what our core reality is. It certainly has the potential the transmit ideas and potential change unlike any 100th Monkey theory.  I've spent years watching the behavior of squirrels along the coastline of the bay area.  We have a lot to learn yet about the natural world.








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Roger wrote, etc. etc.:

>I think we are closer together than on some of this than farther
>apart on the human condition. But what the hell do you mean by
>
>apostate Jungian Sect??!!!

It's been so long I don't remember now. Was Jung an apostate Freudian
who simply refused to believe all human issues are sexual in nature?
Did Freud ruin as much of democracy as "The Century of the Self"
states? I don't think I was too serious at the time, actually. And it
had a ring to it.

>Personally, I think there is some kind of "Hundredth Monkey"
>phenomena out there, but I'm not gonna try and mystify it, other
>than maybe suggest that Jung's theories might actually have make
>some sense in this regard.

Everybody creates their own religion(s) and chooses their own beliefs.

>I still do have dreams and find that they do have an influence upon
>me whether I like it or not.

Is this "dreams" as in dreams of riches or "dreams" as in preludes to
nightmares?

>Its perfectly fine that you can make the claim that there are no
>gods in your universe. But then your universe doesn't appear to
>include the same world where most people on this planet come from,
>or act out either.

I guess I could say thanks for that compliment since I think humans
tend to be inherently flawed (When I was younger I fantasized I might
be Martian, alas, I didn't really believe it). Probably I should just
saythe whole design of nature is flawed in many ways.

Yes, I know, nature is beautiful, nature is "blah blah blah." I tell
you, you live with pain that nature can instill for 12 years
straight, then come to me and tell me how beautiful nature is. It's
dark side is pretty much what it's all about.

>I'm not a big fan of formal religion, but am wondering if there
>isn't just a bit of insecurity around this issue in how you tend to
>come back to it so often.

I'm glad you do so well at analyzing me. You could be an apostate
Freudian. I do this sort of thing in private over you too.

As a gay man (one hates having to start a sentence with such a self
definition, but I will) I absolutely detest virtually all the
organized ones, and have a history of battling them. I wasn't raised
with much of it, and, as the Catholics know, you have to "get em
before age 7." HOWEVER, that being said, I am not talking about
formal religion or even the general "informal religions" much here
when I accuse ideas of being "religion." (As in "Your DIET has become
religion.") It has nothing to do with gods or god, it has to do with
a belief substantiated on "magic" - synonymous or close to with
"religion" - or at least on shaky logic, or even maybe sometimes the
actions that have nothing to do with belief in facts. Maybe logic
doesn't really matter, but it may be my belief structure, the "magic" I choose.

So if one chooses magic that may work, regardless of being sleight of
hand, it may seem more useful... If one believes in abiotic oil I
would term that pretty much religion destined to failure. Does it
matter? Not unless others are influenced by the magical belief. That
makes it problematic.

One may hate industrial agriculture, but an honest assessment and one
would probably hate all corporations for the same reasons (don't they
follow the same laws and myths of their own) - say why wouldn't you
hate your cell phone manufacturer as much, just because you USE it?
As with "organized religion" people pick and choose their "magic."
(or "bible" verses)

So religion, magic, and other terms I use may not exactly be the best
(and it's not best I write emails at 6:24 in the morning, either, but
I couldn't sleep). But they fit better than anything I have come up
with at the moment.

Am I insecure over religion? I dunno. Are you a closet attack artist
looking for endorsement of the alpha males but kissing butt at times?
I could analyze that.

The thing is we all are subject to our "mythology." I don't think
there's much that can be done about that. If there were ever humans
that were more rational (doubtful), the religious ones nearby
probably slaughtered them like we did the do-do birds - they'd
probably have been too easy a target.

>Its funny that when you suggest that 2 million years of evolution
>are hard to change, you fail to see that a huge swath of that
>evolutionary time has been getting played out over religious wars.

Eh? This one lost me. Of course religion, especially when it
interacts over resources (mostly that is what it, and politics, do if
you get to the nitty gritty), fights wars. It's how those deluded
folks think they should act to get to heaven, after all.

>Might it be that such a mindset as your is more alien to adjust to
>than say some Jungian apostates peering into a closer reason why
>religious behavior might find an alternative to the current power structure?

Great, go to those groups and give them your money!

Sorry I didn't reply to this in an internet time frame. I got
inspired to go re-listen to the 4 hours of "Century of the Self" by
this post. (Do do it if you haven't. It's at google vids - 4 episodes
- and you tube - 24 chunks. I found just listening to it again while
doing other stuff worked fine... with occasional watching of the
video itself. I particularly liked the EST and Esslin stuff in the
70s when it hit.)

Any rate, I wish the Jungians good luck at influencing power.
Freudians certainly did, and for the non-betterment of humans. My old
anarchistic beliefs or viewpoints, pretty highly shaken anymore (a
form of religion that wouldn't work? who'd uh thunk) still influence
a lot of my thinking around a number of issues.



#7767 From: Dave Room <daveroom@...>
Date: Thu Feb 4, 2010 5:54 pm
Subject: ACT NOW: Vote for Community Choice in Chronicle Poll
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Hi folks

Today's Chronicle has a poll asking whether Marin should move forward with Community Choice (in the poll, they call it "public power").  The poll is highlighted in yellow in the left column.  The Local Clean Energy Alliance recommends the third option: "Yes, and San Francisco should too".  

Make your voice heard!  Please Vote now and forward on to others that want a clean energy future and local green jobs!  In addition to any computers you have, you can also vote from smart phones and PDAs; one vote per machine.    

p.s., PG&E will probably ask their employees to vote from any computers they have so its really important that we show strong support for Community Choice and Public Power today! 

p.p.s., The article has great news about Marin Clean Energy moving forward. 

Marin County to provide power, oust PG&E

David R. Baker, Chronicle Staff Writer

Marin County is poised to jump into the public power business, despite fierce opposition from Pacific Gas and Electric Co.

The Question

Should Marin County begin providing public power?

Yes, way out of the PG&E monopoly
No, it will wind up costing more
And San Francisco should too

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In a series of votes tonight, officials with the Marin Energy Authority are expected to take some of the last key steps necessary to start providing electricity to many of the county's residents and businesses, taking over a role now filled by PG&E. The organization is a joint-powers authority formed by the county and all of its cities except Corte Madera, Larkspur, Novato and Ross.

The authority's board is scheduled to vote tonight on a proposed contract with Shell Energy North America to line up wholesale electricity supplies from power plants, wind farms and solar facilities. The board also is scheduled to set the authority's electricity rates, matching PG&E's rates for most customers.

"This is the final seal on a lot of the work we've been doing," said Dawn Weisz, the authority's interim director. "We've been working on this for seven years."

If all goes as planned, the Marin Energy Authority would start supplying electricity to some customers in May.

It would be state's first example of a new kind of public power, known as community choice aggregation. Created by a state law in 2002, community choice allows towns, cities or counties to buy electricity for their residents, while traditional utility companies such as PG&E continue to own and operate the electrical grid. San Francisco is developing its community choice aggregation system.

"I'm just totally thrilled that it's finally happening," said Paul Fenn, who drafted the law and now helps communities adopt community choice aggregation. "This is a very big thing."

But Marin's plan still faces hurdles placed in its path by PG&E.

The utility, based in San Francisco, argues that Marin residents will end up paying more for power in the long run if the authority moves forward. PG&E also has complained that, under California's laws, the authority should have performed an environmental impact report before setting up its system.

PG&E has funded an initiative on the June ballot that would make it far harder for anyone to adopt community choice aggregation in the future. Although the initiative would come too late to stop Marin, it could complicate any efforts by the Marin Energy Authority to expand.

Finally, PG&E has threatened not to deliver electricity to the authority over the utility's power lines.

"We are obligated to not deliver power if we believe that (the authority) is not complying with (community choice aggregation) tariffs and the law," said PG&E spokeswoman Katie Romans.

But the community choice aggregation law explicitly requires utilities to cooperate with communities that adopt the system, said Marin County Supervisor Charles McGlashan, who also serves as the energy authority's chairman. PG&E's threat, he said, "is patently illegal, but they don't seem to care."

E-mail David R. Baker at dbaker@....

This article appeared on page D - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/02/04/BUN81BS696.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz0egPIHnHP

When this email was sent, we were ahead.

The Question

Should Marin County begin providing public power?

Yes, way out of the PG&E monopoly (143)
35%
No, it will wind up costing more(93)
23%
And San Francisco should too(170)
42%
Total Votes: 406









#7766 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Thu Feb 4, 2010 4:06 am
Subject: A paragraph for Cal
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http://tinyurl.com/ylzanlj  (Washington Post, much longer article, and much better writing than my 5 a.m. version)

"I see very little difference between the religious believer's insistence on the existence of an immortal soul and the insistence of some secular philosophers and psychologists on the existence of a consciousness or a mind that is, in some inexplicable way, independent of our physical corpus. I do not consider the fruits of our love and labor--which will outlast our finite existence--less valuable because they depend on functioning neurons and because the neurons that produced them will eventually die. This insistence on an independent consciousness, mind, soul, or spirit is a product of human limitation and human arrogance. Because we are the most intelligent animals on the planet, we can imagine our own extinction. We hate that knowledge--atheists and religious believers alike--so we invent a variety of non-material concepts to explain away the inevitable end of a consciousness that depends entirely on our physical being."

There ya have it!

Then we can get into the influence of this consciousness thingie on any attempt.... well to do the ecologically responsible things, for lack of a better catchall.

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