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#7312 From: "ARTIST" <david_quinley@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:51 pm
Subject: SF 6pm:Ca. Interfaith Power and Light Energy Oscars>editor-in-chief of Tikkun...
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Tue, Nov 10, 2009      6:00 PM
  	 The Third Annual California Interfaith Power and Light Energy Oscars
Grace Cathedral, Gresham Hall
1100 California Street
San Francisco

6:00 pm • Wine & Hors d’oeuvres
7:15 pm • Program

Featuring Rabbi Michael Lerner
Rabbi Michael Lerner is the editor-in-chief of Tikkun, a progressive Jewish and
interfaith magazine and rabbi of Beyt Tikkun Synagogue in San Francisco.

Join us as we honor our outstanding congregations for their efforts to be good
stewards of energy and fight climate change.

Energy Oscars will be awarded to one finalist in each of the following
categories:

education
Camp Stevens, San Diego
Metropolitan Community Church, San Francisco
Muslim Eco Team, SF Bay Area

green building
Universalist Church of Berkeley
Campbell United Church of Christ
St. Michaels & All Angels Episcopal Church, Studio City

energy efficiency
Congregation Emanu-El, San Francisco
First Chinese Baptist, San Francisco
Temple Isaiah, Lafayette

advocacy
Universalist Church of Riverside
Unitarian Universalist Society of Sacramento
Chadeish Yameinu, Santa Cruz
Christ Church UMC, Santa Rosa

This event is free and open to all; donations gladly accepted.


California Interfaith Power and Light is a network of over 500
congregations who aim to be faithful stewards of creation by responding to
global warming through the promotion of energy conservation, energy efficiency
and renewable energy.
For more information contact:
California Interfaith Power and Light
jennifer@...
www.interfaithpower.org
RSVP :
415.391.4214

www.interfaithpower.org

#7311 From: "ARTIST" <david_quinley@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:23 pm
Subject: Berkeley> 7:30PM India’s sustainable agriculture movement>Women and Agriculture
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Tue, Nov 10, 2009      7:30 PM    Email to a friend
  	 Coming up from the Roots - Women and Agriculture
David Brower Center - Kinzie Room
2150 Allston Way
Berkeley

Weaving the Worlds Fall 2009 Event Series at the David Brower Center

3 Tuesday Evenings featuring 3 of WEA’s International Advisors
Ashwini Narayanan, Wahleah Johns, Joanna Macy
Updates from WEA’s 3 Initiatives by WEA’s 3 Directors
Melinda Kramer, Caitlin Sislin, Amira Diamond
Music and Food from the 3 regions where WEA works
Sub-Saharan Africa, North America, India

COST:
$18 at the door
$15 in advance
$40 for 3
A limited number of activist tickets are available. Seating is limited.
Pre-purchase is recommended by donating online to Weaving the Worlds.

Women and Agriculture
A Report-Back from the October 2009 India Learning Exchange Delegation.

Featuring:
WEA International Advisor: Joanna Macy
Eco-philosopher, Author
Amira Diamond, Co-Director, WEA

Hear first hand stories about women on the front lines of India’s sustainable
agriculture movement, learn about solutions being implemented to stop hunger and
environmental destruction and experience the wisdom of Joanna Macy.
For more information contact:
Women’s Earth Alliance
510.859.9111
events@...

#7310 From: "ARTIST" <david_quinley@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:19 pm
Subject: Ongoing>Berkeley>Reduce Your Personal and Community Carbon Footprint
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East Bay | Environment & Forest Defense
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View other events for the week of 11/10/2009

Title:  Reduce Your Personal and Community Carbon Footprint +free membership to
the Ecology Center
START DATE:  Tuesday November 10
TIME:  6:00 PM - 8:00 PM
Location Details:
Ecology Center (2530 San Pablo at Dwight, Berkeley)
Event Type:  Other
Contact Name debra@...
Email Address debra [at] ecologycenter.org
Phone Number 510-548-2220 x240
Address 2530 San Pablo Ave Berkeley CA 94702
There's no better time to action on climate change!

Join a 4-session Climate Change Action Group at the Ecology Center:
Tuesdays, 6-8pm: November 3, 10, 17 and 24 (last session optional due to
holidays)

RSVP to debra [at] ecologycenter.org

Have you already participated in an action group or don't have time right now?

*Pass on this invitation to your friends, family, neighbors and colleagues.
*Invite the Ecology Center to facilitate a group in your workplace or community
at no charge.
*Get trained to lead your own group. Next training: Thursday, 10/29, 6-8:30pm at
the Ecology Center.

How do the Climate Change Action Groups work?
During four weekly sessions, you will join with a small group of Bay Area
residents to calculate your carbon footprint, create a measurable personal
action plan to reduce your footprint and make substantive changes in your
community.

In addition to inviting you to join a group at the Ecology Center, we will
provide no-cost facilitation at your workplace, congregation, neighborhood, or
with another community group to which you belong. Climate Change Action Groups
can be held as brown bag lunch series or as evening or weekend gatherings.
Workplace groups give participants the opportunity to collectively strategize
how to make effective organizational changes to reduce the business's footprint,
including consideration of how energy and resources are used around the
workplace, how employees travel to and from work, and the footprint of the goods
and services the business creates, among other issues.
Participation and facilitation services are free. A $10 fee (at cost) will be
charged for the Low Carbon Diet workbook. No one turned away for lack of funds.

How do I sign up?

Write to debra [at] ecologycenter.org and pass on this message to your friends
and colleagues. For more information, visit http://www.ecologycenter.org

Background on the Ecology Center
The Ecology Center provides the public with reliable information, tools,
hands-on training, referrals, strategies, infrastructure, and models for
sustainable living. Our programs enable people to adopt practices that are
environmentally and socially responsible. We run Berkeley's residential curbside
recycling program, the Berkeley Farmers' Markets, Farm Fresh Choice food justice
program, Terrain magazine, EcoHouse demonstration home and garden, the Ecology
Center Store, and a variety of Information and Climate Change Action programs.

We hope you can join us!


http://www.ecologycenter.org

#7309 From: "ARTIST" <david_quinley@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:16 pm
Subject: Wen.-Th. SF: Green Business Conference (two days)
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To Whom It May Concern--

Green America’s Green Business Network announces our annual Green Business
Conference in San Francisco, November 11-12. The conference will focus on
'Discovering New Ways to Prosper in the New Economy.'

We need your help to spread the word about this great, opportunity to meet
business leaders from Organic Valley, Birkenstock USA and Green for All at this
hands-on business conference.

Speakers will share businesses strategies for thriving when resources are scarce
from new social networking tools to financing options to the stimulus money.

The business/product expo is available to all that attend! During a 2-hour
session, attendees will display information regarding their business and
network.

Please help spread the word by including information about the  conference in
your blogs, newsletters and on your calendars.


Please use the following information to promote the Green Business Conference.
"Discover New Ways to Prosper in the New Economy

Whether you’re an experienced green business or just starting out â€" join
business leaders from Organic Valley, Birkenstock USA, Slow Money, RSF Social
Finance and Green for All at this hands-on business conference.



Receive insights into the state of the green marketplace, and get the latest on
social networking and financial tools to grow your business.


Register now at the low price of $375 (a $120 discount). A limited number of
partial scholarships and student discount rate are available call 202-872-5330.

For sponsorship information, call Denise Hamler 202-872-5303.

All conference attendees receive two free passes to attend the San Francisco
Green Festival, November 14-16 at the Concourse Design Center.



Green America’s Green Business Conference

November 11 -12, 2009

Hotel Whitcomb

1231 Market Street, San Francisco

www.GreenBusinessConference.org

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Thank you so much for spreading the word about this opportunity,





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The Green Business Conference and the Green Festivals are just two ways that the
Green Business Network works with green businesses. To learn more about our
programs visit  www.GreenAmericaToday.org

Co-op America became Green America on 1/1/09 â€" Same mission â€" New Name

#7308 From: "ARTIST" <david_quinley@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:15 pm
Subject: Noon SF>Lester Brown of the Earth Policy Inst.>Commonwealth C.<Saving Civilizat.
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Saving Civilization Is Not A Spectator Sport
START DATE: Tuesday November 10
TIME: 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM
Location Details:
The Commonwealth Club
595 Market Street
San Francisco, CA 94105
415-597-6705
http://www.commonwealthclub.org
Event Type: Speaker
Contact NameGreg Dalton
Email Addressclimateone [at] commonwealthclub.org
Phone Number415-597-6700
Address
Saving Civilization Is Not A Spectator Sport

We're making strides toward environmental sustainability, but is it enough? And what, if anything, can we do to help?


Lester Brown, President, Earth Policy Institute

Brown sees concern in the merging of world food and energy economies. Putting corn ethanol in gas tanks and grain-intensive food (beef) into more human bellies will drive up commodity prices and exacerbate fresh water scarcity. Though he believes the Earth is under stress, Brown is hopeful, in part because for the first time since the Industrial Revolution we have begun investing in energy sources that can last forever. Brown also will comment on how the melting glaciers of Tibet could affect the price of a bagel in California.



Added to the calendar on Wednesday Oct 28th, 2009 7:08 PM

#7307 From: Cal <mainevent@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:30 pm
Subject: RE: China warming
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009, David F <david@...> wrote:

> China understands the consequences of global warming, but it certainly isn't
> adopting policies that will lead to any reduction in emissions.

True.

And...without consciousness, there's not much possibility that things can
change...half the battle is admitting there's a problem.  The distinction
between knowing and acknowledging something and being in denial and lying
to the populace is the prime difference that has me call one more mature
than the other.

Cal

#7306 From: Cal <mainevent@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:38 am
Subject: Re: China warming
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Recall that I said "economically or strategically advantageous."  (The
relevant word here is "or".)  So it could be strategically advantageous
for them, even if they were still making a profit.

And this was an extract from a more general comment about our government
and wars (I was not intending to single out any one war).

On Mon, 09 Nov 2009, Dennis Brumm <brumm@...> wrote:

> [Sideways Change of tune: By the way, Cal, a while back, you stated
> that the US left Vietnam because it had become unprofitable. I would
> like some proof of that, it's not what I remember being true... it
> was a) - we got our butts kicked at the end (our technology wasn't up
> to their "lack of it") and b) the cynicism and sentiment against the
> war, pretty universal in vast swaths of the US, had actually made
> corporations fearful they could not harvest a new crop of "safe"
> employees.  I can't believe that we were not still "making a profit."]

#7305 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:22 am
Subject: Re: IEA "Whistleblowers"
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At 12:14 AM 11/10/2009, you wrote:
 

The bubbles are rising to the surface...

http://rawstory.com/2009/11/we-entered-peak-oil-iea-source-reportedly-claims/

It's so interesting, the term whistleblowers. Do not assume this is not just some plan to start talking about it and, if so, who knows how truthful anything is going to be from this historical less-than-truthful organizations.

I'm not peeing my pants from glee yet.

#7304 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:17 am
Subject: Vegetarian Myth: The Return
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Four book discussions this week in the East and West Bay:


Thursday, November 19, Berkeley, CA
Lierre will be speaking at Pegasus Books Downtown at 7:30PM. The address is 2349 Shattuck Ave., Berkeley, CA, (510) 649-1320.

Friday, November 20, Berkeley CA
Lierre will be speaking at Berkeley City College, in downtown Berkeley. The college is on Center Street midway between Shattuck and Milvia Streest (half block from downtown Berkeley BART).The talk is at 5PM in the auditorium (in the basement), follwed by a dinner break. Curtis White will be speaking at 7PM.

Sunday, November 22, San Francisco
Lierre will be speaking at Artists' Television Access. Doors open at 7PM for snacks and art viewing, event starts at 8PM. There will be a film showing as well (TBA). Cost is $6.

Monday, November 23, San Francisco, CA
Lierre will be speaking at Green Arcade Books at 7PM. Green Arcade is at 1680 Market Street @Gough, San Francisco, (415) 431-6800.

#7303 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:10 am
Subject: RE: China warming
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At 07:53 PM 11/9/2009, you wrote:
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>
>China understands the consequences of global warming, but it
>certainly isn't adopting policies that will lead to any reduction in
>emissions.

Sounds to me like their culture is no more "grounded" or "mature"
than ours. Or, to quote icky Charleston Heston, "it's people!" :) A
little blurb today on Jay Hansen's die off group mentioned that
during some famine, the Chinese did exchange children with their
neighbors so that they would not have to kill and eat their own
children, but someone else's. I have no idea if that is "true," and
actually don't wanna know.

#7302 From: John Duvall <hamzatula@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:14 am
Subject: IEA "Whistleblowers"
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#7301 From: Paul Nellen <pnellen@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:40 am
Subject: ‘We have already entered peak oil,’ IEA source reportedly claims
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‘We have already entered peak oil,’ IEA source reportedly claims

Two International Energy Agency whistleblowers have come forward with startling
claims about the world's supply of crude oil, according to a report published
Tuesday.

"We have [already] entered the 'peak oil' zone," an unnamed former IEA official
told British newspaper The Guardian. "I think that the situation is really bad."

A second whistleblower reportedly claimed that the IEA's current figures are
inflated due to pressure from the United States and a pervasive fear that the
announcement of falling oil output in the future could cause markets to respond
with panic.

The claims come on the same day the IEA plans to publish it's annual "World
Energy Outlook" report for 2009. [...]

Mehr unter

http://rawstory.com/2009/11/we-entered-peak-oil-iea-source-reportedly-claims/

--

Herzlichen Gruß,

paulnellen

#7300 From: "David F" <david@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:53 am
Subject: RE: China warming
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China understands the consequences of global warming, but it certainly isn’t adopting policies that will lead to any reduction in emissions. Much of their public reporting on what they are doing and the threats to China are for consumption by the negotiators at Copenhagen, where China persists in insisting on “common but differentiated” responsibility, which basically means that the high-consuming nations should pick up the bill for the mess. For themselves, they insist there should be no limits to their emissions before 2020, so in essence, the game is over.

Last week I spent with one of the Chinese government’s think tanks in Beijing charged with modeling future energy demand. Their recent report was the one cited by President Hu at the G20 meeting in Pittsburgh claiming that China will reach a peak in CO2 emissions in 2030, then begin to decline, and that China would adopt a carbon intensity target by 2020. Of course, everyone was all over this as a demonstration of China’s commitment in contrast to the spinelessness of the US. But if you sit down and pick apart those numbers, as I did last week, you’ll see that this is not much more than a smokescreen. For one, carbon intensity targets are not a carbon reduction target…they are a growth metric reflecting solely the reduction in amount of fossil fuels per unit of monetary value of GDP. Since China’s model assumes 7% annual growth through this period, a halving of carbon intensity still results in 3.5% annual growth in emissions. The much-discussed peak in CO2 also seems illusory and it was badly modeled. To achieve this, the model relied primarily on two assumptions: decarbonization of the power supply and the use of CCS (carbon capture and sequestration). Decarbonization of the power supply assumes massive increases in wind, solar, hydro, and nuclear power, which alone does not change the trajectory of emissions from its upward growth, so the CO2 reduction is primarily delivered through CCS. The modeling of CCS, however, didn’t account for the additional resource and coal demand to power the CCS process (ignoring the fact that it isn’t quite ready for commercialization and it is uncertain what geological formations China has appropriate to CCS storage). In our model, installing CCS for every power plant after 2015 (an impossible assumption) would require the additional consumption of about 200 million tonnes of coal by 2020 just to power the CCS process alone, adding to the total the emissions from mining, transport, and coal beneficiation, not to mention the added environmental destruction from the expanded mining and the additional emissions from having to build even more power plants. None of this was accounted for. Also, their modeling of car electrification resulted in direct reduction of oil consumption. This is false. We modeled both car electrification (80% in one scenario, along with 85% electrification of the rail system, up from 50% today), and found that it simply resulted in China becoming massively surplus in gasoline, since there are no concomitant policies to reduce consumption of other oil products. As a result, there is no reduction in crude oil demand, and the imbalance in the refining system would likely destroy their refinery economics, just as it will in this country since we naively think car electrification will reduce crude oil demand as well. They also assumed that energy appears for free..that coal, oil, and gas just appear as demand appears. We explicitly modeled the energy used in energy production and found that it was China’s 6th largest energy consumer after cement, iron & steel, non-ferrous metals, chemicals and some other sectors. To achieve what China expects to be supplying in the 2020s would require about 250 million tonnes of coal equivalent, yet this was totally ignored. Then there is aggregate energy demand. From 3 billion tonnes of coal equivalent today, their forecast is for it to rise to 6 billion tonnes, and even then they said that they were considered “too low”.

In short, the lesson is that models can tell you anything you want to hear, and we are more than eager to hear what we want to hear, but there are no good climate news in what China thinks they will be doing.

This is not to say China shouldn’t be recognized and commended for what they have been doing. For one, no other country has implemented a “one-child” policy, and although this is creaking under the pressure of the demographic transition, it did prevent hundreds of millions of births. Also, there has been a sea-change in attitude about energy efficiency and conservation, and now there are real teeth to the policy: provincial governors and other officials are now evaluated on their achievements toward the 2010 target of reducing economic energy intensity by 20%, and they have implemented a “one vote veto”, meaning that they will fail their evaluation if that one target isn’t met, no matter how well they have done on others, such as foreign investment and asset expansion. Energy conservation is an overarching policy target, since it is considered critical to China’s energy security.

But in the end, China is no less hostage to the imperative of growth than we are, and in some ways more so, since the entire legitimacy of the Communist Party rests on delivering growth. And that will require energy, and the best energy to deliver that growth is fossil fuels. Consuming the stored energy of millions of years of solar input allows infinitely more growth than consuming the current flux of solar energy, and although the Chinese wouldn’t put it in these terms, they understand that their national power and international influence does rest on the guaranteed supply of fossil fuels. With regard to peak oil, they are just as unprepared as we are, and when I brought up the question of where China was going to get their oil given their own domestic peak, the response was “we’ll buy it.”

 

David

 

 

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To: sfbayoil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sfbayoil] China warming

 

 


>Look at China. It took seeing the glaciers disappearing very rapidly
>(on their own land) before they realized the extent of what they were
>doing. And China is a much older (and arguably mature and grounded)
>culture, with millenia of experience (compared with our hundreds of years).

They are more grounded. I doubt it. They wanna make a buck like
everyone. I think this greed germ is an unfortunate part human nature
that may not be evident in all, but has an evolutionary advantage
over those who don't possess it. At least until things get used up
and the irreplaceable is gone...

[Sideways Change of tune: By the way, Cal, a while back, you stated
that the US left Vietnam because it had become unprofitable. I would
like some proof of that, it's not what I remember being true... it
was a) - we got our butts kicked at the end (our technology wasn't up
to their "lack of it") and b) the cynicism and sentiment against the
war, pretty universal in vast swaths of the US, had actually made
corporations fearful they could not harvest a new crop of "safe"
employees. I can't believe that we were not still "making a profit."]


#7299 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:53 am
Subject: Re: Key oil figures were distorted by US pressure, says whistleblower
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At 04:52 PM 11/9/2009, you wrote:
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>
>
>"The world is much closer to running out of oil than official
>estimates admit, according to a whistleblower at the International
>Energy Agency who claims it has been deliberately underplaying a
>looming shortage for fear of triggering panic buying.

Bingo.

#7298 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:52 am
Subject: Re: China warming
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>>Look at China.  It took seeing the glaciers disappearing very rapidly
>>(on their own land) before they realized the extent of what they were
>>doing.
>
>
>So now that they are no longer in denial they can continue
>consuming, but with a green label slapped on.

Um, yeah. :)

#7297 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:52 am
Subject: Re: China warming
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>Look at China. It took seeing the glaciers disappearing very rapidly
>(on their own land) before they realized the extent of what they were
>doing. And China is a much older (and arguably mature and grounded)
>culture, with millenia of experience (compared with our hundreds of years).

They are more grounded. I doubt it. They wanna make a buck like
everyone. I think this greed germ is an unfortunate part human nature
that may not be evident in all, but has an evolutionary advantage
over those who don't possess it. At least until things get used up
and the irreplaceable is gone...

[Sideways Change of tune: By the way, Cal, a while back, you stated
that the US left Vietnam because it had become unprofitable. I would
like some proof of that, it's not what I remember being true... it
was a) - we got our butts kicked at the end (our technology wasn't up
to their "lack of it") and b) the cynicism and sentiment against the
war, pretty universal in vast swaths of the US, had actually made
corporations fearful they could not harvest a new crop of "safe"
employees.  I can't believe that we were not still "making a profit."]

#7296 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:46 am
Subject: Re: China warming
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At 05:03 AM 11/9/2009, you wrote:
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>
>And what's coming?
>
>And I gotta ask -- Does the whole world deserve what is coming?

Quite frankly, in some ways it does. Everyone does, and everyone
doesn't. It's not an easy question, really.


>(Embedded in that question is the assertion that whatever is coming
>that we deserve will affect the whole world.)

It seems pretty likely parts of it will. And other parts of the world
are not benign either, even if they don't have the full force of
power and "influence" that we do.

#7295 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:44 am
Subject: Re: Flu vs. War, 1918
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At 11:51 PM 11/7/2009, you wrote:
>Article on the 1918-20 Spanish flu which addresses the over-use of
>asprin, which greatly depletes Vit. C.

I've heard that too, lately. Possibly some truth in it, but mostly
the people who were older didn't get it so much because they were
exposed to a similar strain in the late 1850s or 1860s and that
provided some immunity for them.

>Additionally there were boxcars and virtual cargo-holds of soldiers
>and refugees being moved across country and continental borders at
>the same time, with very little health and sanitation precautions.


Possibly. Plenty of farmers and young fairly urban folks who weren't
at war died too. I know, I read obituaries a lot from then. And yet
they knew about sanitation by then. Funny how powers that be really
don't care about those in "their charge."

I was reading another article about a week ago, there was a June
flood of the Mississippi River, a huge one, evidently (year, either
1902 or 1903 I think), and so much rain that somehow garbage
collection in Burlington (pop. the same as now, about 20,000-30,000)
had broken down. Fearful of "an outbreak" from the garbage, they
asked everyone to bring the garbage downtown and they took it out on
the bridge and dumped it into the river.

Um, that's where everyplace downstream got its (unchlorinated) water supply.

#7294 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:37 am
Subject: Re: Club of Rome meeting in Amsterdam
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There are so many Neros, and so many fiddlers, in an overpopulated world.


At 09:58 PM 11/7/2009, you wrote:
 

The Club of Rome met in Amsterdam at the end of October.
http://www.clubofrome.at/2009/amsterdam/
 
Key conclusions from the conference include:
  • Target CO2 level to aim for is 350 ppm, not 450 ppm.
  • Corruption in the financial industry must be reigned in, and finance motivated to help society rather than be and end in itself.
  • Wealth and human well-being must be measured by something different from GDP in order to start.
 
Bad news is that they still seem to worship growth. Even though their "Limits to Growth" report is held in high regard, they still seem to speak of continued growth. Eh?
 
This declaration will be presented in Copenhagen, for whatever that's worth.
http://www.clubofrome.at/2009/amsterdam/files/declaration.pdf
 
--Michael P.
 

#7293 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:36 am
Subject: Re: Welcome to the world of MUNI collapse
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At 07:34 PM 11/7/2009, you wrote:
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>
>Seems a lot more efficient. Many times I've seen buses running with
>less than a half dozen  passengers. if MUNI could keep to a schedule
>that's fairly accurate, it would make commuting and trip planning easier.
>
>Sharon


To some extent they (buses that is) really are at the mercy of
traffic. They aren't going to reach a stop on time if traffic is real
light, real heavy, or in any way "unaverage." I must say I do like
the bus stops now that have the bus info ("this bus #, 3 minutes,
that bus # 36 minutes"). If it's going to be too long a wait I walk
to some other bus line. It really isn't too hard to get anyplace in
SF most of the time.

Of course sometimes the numbers lie. Sometimes an entire run doesn't
show. It does have issues, and soon will probably have bigger and bigger ones.

#7292 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:32 am
Subject: Re: Dr. Albert Bartlett's "Laws of Sustainability"
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I seriously doubt if there is ample time for the "solutions" at the bottom of this article.  You would also need to demolish religion as it presently exists in much of the world. Happy work on that.  It doesn't seem to be mentioned once, though after about law 18 I got bored and quit reading. It is myopic to leave out one of the biggest promoters of big families, just because it will upset people.

Any attempt at population control will upset swarms of people. You think the health care issue has upset people? Start talking about who can and can't have babies.


http://www.energybulletin.net/node/50632
 
Published Nov 5 2009 by The Oil Drum, Archived Nov 6 2009

Dr. Albert Bartlett's "Laws of Sustainability"

#7291 From: David Heckadon <davidheckadon@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:52 am
Subject: Key oil figures were distorted by US pressure, says whistleblower
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"The world is much closer to running out of oil than official estimates admit, according to a whistleblower at the International Energy Agency who claims it has been deliberately underplaying a looming shortage for fear of triggering panic buying.
 
The senior official claims the US has played an influential role in encouraging the watchdog to underplay the rate of decline from existing oil fields while overplaying the chances of finding new reserves.........
 
Now the "peak oil" theory is gaining support at the heart of the global energy establishment.......
 
A second senior IEA source, who has now left but was also unwilling to give his name, said a key rule at the organisation was that it was "imperative not to anger the Americans" but the fact was that there was not as much oil in the world as had been admitted. "We have [already] entered the 'peak oil' zone. I think that the situation is really bad," he added."
 

#7290 From: Bryan Boot <bboot@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 11:51 pm
Subject: Re: China warming
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On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Cal wrote:


Not until it becomes a crisis that we can directly feel.

Look at China.  It took seeing the glaciers disappearing very rapidly
(on their own land) before they realized the extent of what they were
doing. 


So now that they are no longer in denial they can continue consuming, but with a green label slapped on.

#7289 From: Cal <mainevent@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:21 pm
Subject: Re: China warming
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> How long before we ignore the lobby from big business and start
> facing  the global ecological situation, as other countries are
> beginning to?

Given how regressed we are collectively -- with our tendency towards
collective narcissism (resulting in lack of interest in much outside
our own "backyard") and lack of accountability for (or interest in)
our impact on ourselves, let alone outside of ourselves, I'd say...

Not until it becomes a crisis that we can directly feel.

Look at China.  It took seeing the glaciers disappearing very rapidly
(on their own land) before they realized the extent of what they were
doing.  And China is a much older (and arguably mature and grounded)
culture, with millenia of experience (compared with our hundreds of years).

Cal

On Mon, 09 Nov 2009, Michael Poremba <michael_poremba@...> wrote:

> How much longer until the US recognizes that its non-response to
> climate change and pandering to near-term economic concerns is
> actually a national security risk of the first order? How long
> before we ignore the lobby from big business and start facing the
> global ecological situation, as other countries are beginning to?
>
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:03 AM, Cal <mainevent@...> wrote:
>
> And what's coming?
>
> And I gotta ask -- Does the whole world deserve what is coming?
> (Embedded in that question is the assertion that whatever is coming that
> we deserve will affect the whole world.)
>
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009, Michael Poremba <michael_poremba@...> wrote:
>
>> Leaders in China are increasingly sensitive to the effects of global
>> climate change. Yet the US is still unwiling to bend. Nation of
>> assholes. We deserve what is coming.
>>
>> http://newsletters.dailyclimate.org/t/31763/23478/40787/0/
>>
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>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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#7288 From: Michael Poremba <michael_poremba@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: China warming
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How much longer until the US recognizes that its non-response to climate change and pandering to near-term economic concerns is actually a national security risk of the first order? How long before we ignore the lobby from big business and start facing the global ecological situation, as other countries are beginning to? 

On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:03 AM, Cal <mainevent@...> wrote:

 

And what's coming?

And I gotta ask -- Does the whole world deserve what is coming?
(Embedded in that question is the assertion that whatever is coming that
we deserve will affect the whole world.)

On Mon, 09 Nov 2009, Michael Poremba <michael_poremba@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Leaders in China are increasingly sensitive to the effects of global
> climate change. Yet the US is still unwiling to bend. Nation of
> assholes. We deserve what is coming.
>
> http://newsletters.dailyclimate.org/t/31763/23478/40787/0/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


#7287 From: Scott Munson <scott@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:38 pm
Subject: Rainwater Catchment NorCal ARCSA Meeting Reminder: TONIGHT: Monday, Nov 9th, 7-9pm, Oakland
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#7286 From: Cal <mainevent@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: China warming
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And what's coming?

And I gotta ask -- Does the whole world deserve what is coming?
(Embedded in that question is the assertion that whatever is coming that
we deserve  will affect the whole world.)

On Mon, 09 Nov 2009, Michael Poremba <michael_poremba@...> wrote:

> Leaders in China are increasingly sensitive to the effects of global
>  climate change.  Yet the US is still unwiling to bend. Nation of
> assholes. We deserve what is coming.
>
> http://newsletters.dailyclimate.org/t/31763/23478/40787/0/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

#7285 From: Cal <mainevent@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: Flu vs. War, 1918
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When I might be a little more susceptible, for me it's lots of water, '
garlic capsules and a lot of Emergen-C.  Oh yeah, and 12 to 24 hours
of grapefruit only.

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009, sharon kulz <s_kulz@...> wrote:

> Article on the 1918-20 Spanish flu which addresses the over-use of
> asprin, which greatly depletes Vit. C.
>
>     Additionally there were boxcars and virtual cargo-holds of
> soldiers and refugees being moved across country and continental
> borders at the same time, with very little health and sanitation
> precautions.
>
>    Unlike the seasonal flu, which mainly targets the very young,
> whose immune systems have not fully developed, and the elderly, who
> may also have weak immunity, the Spanish flu and the Swine flu hit
> those in their prime. These strains target strong immune systems and
>  make them turn on themselves in an overkill called cytokinic storm.
>  Herbs like tumeric and cumin specifically counteract  this phenomena.
>
> Here's a nice recipe for a really vile, but effective anti-viral. (
> Also good as a marinade)
>
>
> Put the following in a blender...
> 1 cup cider vinegar
> 1 cup honey
> 8 cloves garlic
> ¼ cup fresh Ginger
> Mix on high speed for 60 seconds. Pour mixture into another glass container..
> Seal and leave in the refrigerator for five days.  Normal dosage is two
> tsp. in a glass of water or fruit juice, grape or orange juice is
> best before breakfast.
>
> Sharon
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
> To: sfbayoil@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 3:01:53 AM
> Subject: [sfbayoil] Flu vs. War, 1918
>
>
>
> It appears to be an article, but mostly it's an ad for Witte's Drug
> Store:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

#7284 From: Michael Poremba <michael_poremba@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:25 am
Subject: China warming
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Leaders in China are increasingly sensitive to the effects of global climate
change.  Yet the US is still unwiling to bend. Nation of assholes. We deserve
what is coming.

http://newsletters.dailyclimate.org/t/31763/23478/40787/0/

#7283 From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Sun Nov 8, 2009 7:51 am
Subject: Re: Flu vs. War, 1918
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Article on the 1918-20 Spanish flu which addresses the over-use of asprin, which greatly depletes Vit. C.

    Additionally there were boxcars and virtual cargo-holds of soldiers and refugees being moved across country and continental borders at the same time, with very little health and sanitation precautions.

   Unlike the seasonal flu, which mainly targets the very young, whose immune systems have not fully developed, and the elderly, who may also have weak immunity, the Spanish flu and the Swine flu hit those in their prime. These strains target strong immune systems and make them turn on themselves in an overkill called cytokinic storm. Herbs like tumeric and cumin specifically counteract  this phenomena.

Here's a nice recipe for a really vile, but effective anti-viral. ( Also good as a marinade)

Put the following in a blender...
1 cup cider vinegar 
1 cup honey 
8 cloves garlic 
¼ cup fresh
 Ginger
Mix on high speed for 60 seconds. Pour mixture into another glass container. 
Seal and leave in the refrigerator for five days.  Normal dosage is two 
tsp. in a glass of water or fruit juice, grape or orange juice is best before breakfast.

Sharon



From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
To: sfbayoil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 3:01:53 AM
Subject: [sfbayoil] Flu vs. War, 1918



It appears to be an article, but mostly it's an ad for Witte's Drug Store:

Emacs!



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