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#30 From: "Richard Katz" <richard@...>
Date: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:42 pm
Subject: RE: Slightly Different Aside to that Serious Oil Stuff
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Fantastic find, Dennis.

R

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From: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Brumm
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 1:20 AM
To: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sfoilawareness] Slightly Different Aside to that Serious Oil Stuff

The complete Wizard of Oz, uh, Oil, with dubyous photoshop, sometimes
wonderful lyrics, sometimes a tad flat. Our guy, the illustrious Shrub, as
Dorothy:

http://www.dudehisattva.com/wizard_of_oil.htm





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#29 From: "David F." <david@...>
Date: Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Priorities for a Small Planet
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Jennifer,

It's in the file that Dennis uploaded at the Yahoo
site, The United States of America Meets the Planet
Earth--one of Patzek's presentations.

David


--- chakbahlam <jredmane@...> wrote:


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where did you find this statistic, David?

> What's astounding is that although we devote about a
quarter of our
annual
> biomass to harvestable crops, only 4% of that is
needed to be able
to feed
> everyone in the US--the rest is for animals.






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#28 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:00 pm
Subject: RE: supes letter
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At 02:21 AM 12/23/2005, you wrote:
>I would suggest 3 minor changes:
>1. Fix this garbage, 'inexorable declineâ€"a'

Thanks, Richard. (That first one I think is just the translation between MS
Word & the internet.)

#27 From: "Richard L Hughes" <rlhughes@...>
Date: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:21 am
Subject: RE: supes letter
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I would suggest 3 minor changes:
1. Fix this garbage, 'inexorable declineâ€"a'
2. Give them a reference to the Hirsch report [2005 U.S. Department of
Energy-sponsored study] - here's one [an update of the May 2005],
http://www.acus.org/docs/051007-Hirsch_World_Oil_Production.pdf or
http://www.hilltoplancers.org/stories/hirsch0502.pdf (the original paper).
3. Give them examples of other cities: i.e.; Denver, Willits or Sebastopol
which have Peak Energy programs in progress. I'm too lazy to give precise
references but plans to build upon would be easier to sell than creating a
program in a vacuum.
Excellent work,
Dick

-----Original Message-----
From: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of chakbahlam
Sent: 12/22/2005 11:59 PM
To: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sfoilawareness] supes letter


I seem to remember Dennis requesting that I post this, though I could be
mistaken, or I may have posted it already. I've been working on the computer
all day and it's kind of turned my brain to jelly. Sorry if ths is a
needless post. Anyway, here is the current version of our letter to the
supervisors. It hasn't changed since last meeting, but someone mentioned to
me yesterday that another group had drafted another letter in this same
vein, and it may be useful to at least compare the two. Do you remember who
from the East Bay meeting mentioned that, Dennis? I hope we can find that
other draft.

San Francisco's economic vitality is intimately tied to petroleum and its
related product, natural gas. These two energy sources underpin every aspect
of modern life: they fuel our vehicles and electric plants and are essential
for producing everything from fertilizers to pharmaceuticals. But petroleum
is ceasing to be a cheap and plentiful resource. Supply lines are precarious
and global production is projected to decline, with ramifications that could
undermine the foundations of our well-being if we head into this transition
unprepared. Given that our existence as a functional city depends on access
to the remaining petroleum - access that is determined by political and
geological forces outside of local control - city government urgently needs
to address this issue. We propose a meeting between representatives of our
citizen’s group, San Francisco Oil Awareness, and members of the Board of
Supervisors to explore the possibilities for action.

Petroleum and natural gas play many essential roles in the everyday
functioning of San Francisco. Petroleum-derived fuels move the people that
drive the city's economy, move food and consumer goods into the city, truck
solid waste out of the city, and power emergency vehicles. Half of all the
electricity generated in California comes from natural gas-fired plants.
Virtually every item we use every day requires petroleum at some point in
its manufacture or distribution. Our food is typically grown using natural
gas-derived fertilizers and petroleum-derived pesticides. Plastics, used in
construction, medical technology, and every other aspect of life, are made
from petroleum. City infrastructure such as roads and electric equipment all
require petroleum products.

A shortage or drastic price increase at any point in the petroleum or
natural gas chain would result in a severely impaired urban system. The
complexity of a modern city such as San Francisco requires an uninterrupted
supply of energy, as the electricity shortages of 2001 made clear. Over the
last half-century, San Francisco has faced several petroleum interruptions
owing to politics, war, or natural disaster. That we weathered the scarcity
and looked to alternative sources is testament to San Francisco's
resourcefulness. But each of these events was brief, after which petroleum
and its products were again freely available. Today, however, the conditions
are markedly
different:  owing to the geology of oil fields and past patterns of
discovery and exploitation, the total global supply of petroleum will soon
reach a peak and enter an inexorable declineâ€"a well-understood geological
phenomenon that the US experienced after 1970 and which is now affecting 60
countries worldwide. Petroleum is a finite resource, scarcity is inevitable,
and technological fixes are inadequate at best.

As a 2005 U.S. Department of Energy-sponsored study indicated, we will face
an absolute shortage of liquid fuels if appropriate measures are not taken
years, if not decades, in advance of the global peak in oil production.
These measures have not been forthcoming at a national level despite the
recognition of the coming transition. It is thus incumbent on San Francisco
to consider its own response, to protect its economic vitality, its
citizens' wellbeing, and its historic role as a dynamic leader in
progressive action. San Francisco 's citizens are increasingly aware of the
challenges we face, and a growing number of us have organized to consider
what the city can do. We propose a meeting in early February between
representatives of San Francisco Oil Awareness and members of the Board of
Supervisors to initiate engagement on this issue and discuss options for
action.








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#26 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:20 am
Subject: Slightly Different Aside to that Serious Oil Stuff
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The complete Wizard of Oz, uh, Oil, with dubyous photoshop, sometimes
wonderful lyrics, sometimes a tad flat. Our guy, the illustrious Shrub, as
Dorothy:

http://www.dudehisattva.com/wizard_of_oil.htm

#25 From: "chakbahlam" <jredmane@...>
Date: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:03 am
Subject: Re: Priorities for a Small Planet
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where did you find this statistic, David?

> What's astounding is that although we devote about a quarter of our
annual
> biomass to harvestable crops, only 4% of that is needed to be able
to feed
> everyone in the US--the rest is for animals.

#24 From: "chakbahlam" <jredmane@...>
Date: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:59 am
Subject: supes letter
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I seem to remember Dennis requesting that I post this, though I could
be mistaken, or I may have posted it already. I've been working on the
computer all day and it's kind of turned my brain to jelly. Sorry if
ths is a needless post. Anyway, here is the current version of our
letter to the supervisors. It hasn't changed since last meeting, but
someone mentioned to me yesterday that another group had drafted
another letter in this same vein, and it may be useful to at least
compare the two. Do you remember who from the East Bay meeting
mentioned that, Dennis? I hope we can find that other draft.

San Francisco's economic vitality is intimately tied to petroleum and
its related product, natural gas. These two energy sources underpin
every aspect of modern life: they fuel our vehicles and electric
plants and are essential for producing everything from fertilizers to
pharmaceuticals. But petroleum is ceasing to be a cheap and plentiful
resource. Supply lines are precarious and global production is
projected to decline, with ramifications that could undermine the
foundations of our well-being if we head into this transition
unprepared. Given that our existence as a functional city depends on
access to the remaining petroleum - access that is determined by
political and geological forces outside of local control - city
government urgently needs to address this issue. We propose a meeting
between representatives of our citizen’s group, San Francisco Oil
Awareness, and members of the Board of Supervisors to explore the
possibilities for action.

Petroleum and natural gas play many essential roles in the everyday
functioning of San Francisco. Petroleum-derived fuels move the people
that drive the city's economy, move food and consumer goods into the
city, truck solid waste out of the city, and power emergency vehicles.
Half of all the electricity generated in California comes from natural
gas-fired plants. Virtually every item we use every day requires
petroleum at some point in its manufacture or distribution. Our food
is typically grown using natural gas-derived fertilizers and
petroleum-derived pesticides. Plastics, used in construction, medical
technology, and every other aspect of life, are made from petroleum.
City infrastructure such as roads and electric equipment all require
petroleum products.

A shortage or drastic price increase at any point in the petroleum or
natural gas chain would result in a severely impaired urban system.
The complexity of a modern city such as San Francisco requires an
uninterrupted supply of energy, as the electricity shortages of 2001
made clear. Over the last half-century, San Francisco has faced
several petroleum interruptions owing to politics, war, or natural
disaster. That we weathered the scarcity and looked to alternative
sources is testament to San Francisco's resourcefulness. But each of
these events was brief, after which petroleum and its products were
again freely available. Today, however, the conditions are markedly
different:  owing to the geology of oil fields and past patterns of
discovery and exploitation, the total global supply of petroleum will
soon reach a peak and enter an inexorable declineâ€"a well-understood
geological phenomenon that the US experienced after 1970 and which is
now affecting 60 countries worldwide. Petroleum is a finite resource,
scarcity is inevitable, and technological fixes are inadequate at best.

As a 2005 U.S. Department of Energy-sponsored study indicated, we will
face an absolute shortage of liquid fuels if appropriate measures are
not taken years, if not decades, in advance of the global peak in oil
production. These measures have not been forthcoming at a national
level despite the recognition of the coming transition. It is thus
incumbent on San Francisco to consider its own response, to protect
its economic vitality, its citizens' wellbeing, and its historic role
as a dynamic leader in progressive action. San Francisco 's citizens
are increasingly aware of the challenges we face, and a growing number
of us have organized to consider what the city can do. We propose a
meeting in early February between representatives of San Francisco Oil
Awareness and members of the Board of Supervisors to initiate
engagement on this issue and discuss options for action.

#23 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:56 pm
Subject: If you haven't seen Asmussen today, please do
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#22 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:50 am
Subject: RE: Priorities for a Small Planet
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So the logical extension of this is that we should not presently eat animals, we should consume other people!  After chowing down on 50% of the population, we’d be able to devote 2% more to feeding the animals… but we’d need less of them!  This is fantastic because then we could repurpose the biomass to generate more bio-fuel for the now thinned herd of Americans. 

Can we use cream of mushroom soup in the casseroles?


#21 From: "Richard Katz" <richard@...>
Date: Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:39 am
Subject: RE: Priorities for a Small Planet
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David,

 

So the logical extension of this is that we should not presently eat animals, we should consume other people!  After chowing down on 50% of the population, we’d be able to devote 2% more to feeding the animals… but we’d need less of them!  This is fantastic because then we could repurpose the biomass to generate more bio-fuel for the now thinned herd of Americans. 

 

Gee, the lowered population would also mean that traffic would be lighter with less stop and go (thus better mpg) traffic.  We’d then be able to drive our salon cars even greater distances to work!  I believe that you’ve hit upon the solution, finally.

 

Speaking of crops, happy solstice to all!

 

Richard K.

 

What's astounding is that although we devote about a quarter of our annual biomass to harvestable crops, only 4% of that is needed to be able to feed everyone in the US--the rest is for animals.

 

 

 


From: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David F
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:34 PM
To: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sfoilawareness] Priorities for a Small Planet

 

Richard, a "saloon car" is the British term for what we would call a "sedan"--the typical 2 or 4 door car.

 

What's astounding is that although we devote about a quarter of our annual biomass to harvestable crops, only 4% of that is needed to be able to feed everyone in the US--the rest is for animals.

 

David

 

 


From: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard L Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:10 PM
To: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sfoilawareness] Priorities for a Small Planet

Good news. But where do I find a 'typical saloon car' ?

-----Original Message-----
From: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Brumm
Sent: 12/20/2005 5:37 AM
To: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com; sfbayoil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sfoilawareness] Priorities for a Small Planet

(sorry to those who will receive this twice)

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18825304.800.html

It's better to green your diet than your car

More Stories

THINKING of helping the planet by buying an eco-friendly car? You could do more by going vegan, say Gidon Eshel and Pamela Martin of the University of Chicago.

They compared the amount of fossil fuel needed to cultivate and process various foods, including running agricultural machinery, providing food for livestock and irrigating crops. They also factored in emissions of methane and nitrous oxide produced by cows, sheep and manure treatment.

The typical US diet, about 28 per cent of which comes from animal sources, generates the equivalent of nearly 1.5 tonnes more carbon dioxide per person per year than a vegan diet with the same number of calories, say the researchers, who presented their results at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco last week.

By comparison, the difference in annual emissions between driving a typical saloon car and a hybrid car, which runs off a rechargeable battery and gasoline, is just over 1 tonne. If you don't want to go vegan, choosing less-processed animal products and poultry instead of red meat can help reduce the greenhouse load.

 


#20 From: "David F" <david@...>
Date: Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:34 am
Subject: RE: Priorities for a Small Planet
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Richard, a "saloon car" is the British term for what we would call a "sedan"--the typical 2 or 4 door car.
 
What's astounding is that although we devote about a quarter of our annual biomass to harvestable crops, only 4% of that is needed to be able to feed everyone in the US--the rest is for animals.
 
David
 


From: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard L Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:10 PM
To: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sfoilawareness] Priorities for a Small Planet

Good news. But where do I find a 'typical saloon car' ?
-----Original Message-----
From: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Brumm
Sent: 12/20/2005 5:37 AM
To: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com; sfbayoil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sfoilawareness] Priorities for a Small Planet

(sorry to those who will receive this twice)

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18825304.800.html

It's better to green your diet than your car

More Stories
THINKING of helping the planet by buying an eco-friendly car? You could do more by going vegan, say Gidon Eshel and Pamela Martin of the University of Chicago.

They compared the amount of fossil fuel needed to cultivate and process various foods, including running agricultural machinery, providing food for livestock and irrigating crops. They also factored in emissions of methane and nitrous oxide produced by cows, sheep and manure treatment.

The typical US diet, about 28 per cent of which comes from animal sources, generates the equivalent of nearly 1.5 tonnes more carbon dioxide per person per year than a vegan diet with the same number of calories, say the researchers, who presented their results at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco last week.

By comparison, the difference in annual emissions between driving a typical saloon car and a hybrid car, which runs off a rechargeable battery and gasoline, is just over 1 tonne. If you don't want to go vegan, choosing less-processed animal products and poultry instead of red meat can help reduce the greenhouse load.

#19 From: Michael Poremba <michael_poremba@...>
Date: Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:17 pm
Subject: Re: Priorities for a Small Planet
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Great! Which day?

----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
To: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:56:30 AM
Subject: Re: [sfoilawareness] Priorities for a Small Planet

Thanks, Cal (this is for the "Supervisors' subcommittee meeting" if some of
you here on the list are a bit confused).

There should be 4 of us coming that day, if it goes as planned.


#18 From: "Richard L Hughes" <rlhughes@...>
Date: Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:10 pm
Subject: RE: Priorities for a Small Planet
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Good news. But where do I find a 'typical saloon car' ?
-----Original Message-----
From: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Brumm
Sent: 12/20/2005 5:37 AM
To: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com; sfbayoil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sfoilawareness] Priorities for a Small Planet

(sorry to those who will receive this twice)

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18825304.800.html

It's better to green your diet than your car

More Stories
THINKING of helping the planet by buying an eco-friendly car? You could do more by going vegan, say Gidon Eshel and Pamela Martin of the University of Chicago.

They compared the amount of fossil fuel needed to cultivate and process various foods, including running agricultural machinery, providing food for livestock and irrigating crops. They also factored in emissions of methane and nitrous oxide produced by cows, sheep and manure treatment.

The typical US diet, about 28 per cent of which comes from animal sources, generates the equivalent of nearly 1.5 tonnes more carbon dioxide per person per year than a vegan diet with the same number of calories, say the researchers, who presented their results at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco last week.

By comparison, the difference in annual emissions between driving a typical saloon car and a hybrid car, which runs off a rechargeable battery and gasoline, is just over 1 tonne. If you don't want to go vegan, choosing less-processed animal products and poultry instead of red meat can help reduce the greenhouse load.

#17 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:56 pm
Subject: Re: Priorities for a Small Planet
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Thanks, Cal (this is for the "Supervisors' subcommittee meeting" if some of
you here on the list are a bit confused).

There should be 4 of us coming that day, if it goes as planned.

#16 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:52 pm
Subject: Cities/Agriculture/Permaculture: Starving for change
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(again, sorry to those who will receive this twice)

http://coanews.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=511&PHPSESSID=3f540337025abe5\
faf34149abda37d0%207


Starving for Change: The Necessity of a New Agricultural System

(first three paragraphs only)

Most of our modern cities are patch-works of pavement strewn together
haphazardly in accordance with the manufactured necessities of commuters to
commute, of consumers to consume, and of businesses to remain busy.

With no thought in mind with regards to developing an actual community, and
with no acknowledgement that nature is a demonstrated necessity to a
healthy psyche, our cities are laid out with very little concern for
sustainability, efficiency, or beauty. Whole Village, near Toronto, Ontario
is among the few exceptions to this in Canada – this small community is
planning for the future, and for the genuine good of its community members.

Using a system known as permaculture, the small intentional community is
building itself upon principals of sustainability where traditional cities
have been built upon dwindling oil supplies and other resources. And where
most of our cities have been built upon the unyielding grounds of
capitalist “progress”, permaculture communities are built upon the diverse
and unshakable foundation of nature itself.

[more at link]

#15 From: Cal Broomhead <Cal.Broomhead@...>
Date: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:44 pm
Subject: Re: Priorities for a Small Planet
Cal.Broomhead@...
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Dennis, I have reserved a room for 10:30 to 1:00 in case you want to
continue your meeting here.  If you are having a larger group arrive at
11:30 then that will probably not work, the room max is about 8 comfortably
(the HVAC is not very good).

Cal Broomhead
Energy Programs Manager
Department of Environment
11 Grove Street
San Francisco, CA 94102
www.sfenvironment.com
415-355-3706 direct
415-355-3700 reception

#14 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:37 pm
Subject: Priorities for a Small Planet
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(sorry to those who will receive this twice)

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18825304.800.html

It's better to green your diet than your car

More Stories
THINKING of helping the planet by buying an eco-friendly car? You could do more by going vegan, say Gidon Eshel and Pamela Martin of the University of Chicago.

They compared the amount of fossil fuel needed to cultivate and process various foods, including running agricultural machinery, providing food for livestock and irrigating crops. They also factored in emissions of methane and nitrous oxide produced by cows, sheep and manure treatment.

The typical US diet, about 28 per cent of which comes from animal sources, generates the equivalent of nearly 1.5 tonnes more carbon dioxide per person per year than a vegan diet with the same number of calories, say the researchers, who presented their results at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco last week.

By comparison, the difference in annual emissions between driving a typical saloon car and a hybrid car, which runs off a rechargeable battery and gasoline, is just over 1 tonne. If you don't want to go vegan, choosing less-processed animal products and poultry instead of red meat can help reduce the greenhouse load.

#13 From: "David F" <david@...>
Date: Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:15 am
Subject: RE: trees
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Allyse,
 
I haven't worked with FUF (http://www.fuf.net/), but they now have the Mayor behind them, since he's recently called for more trees in the city. SF is one of the more unforested big cities. I don't know how the city programs measure up to the NGO efforts, but we sure need more.
 
Don't underestimate our climate. We have a mild subtropical Mediterreanean climate, and any tree from any of the 5 Mediterranean climates around the world that doesn't need heat to thrive will do great here. We won't have citrus (too cool) or apples (too warm) but there are many nut and fruit trees that do just fine here. 
 
There's a great potential for food trees, but I think the challenge to getting more is reflected in the attitude of one of the speakers we had several months ago. She (Pam Peirce) wrote a book Golden Gate Gardening, about appropriate food plants for the climate around the Bay. Great book, and lots of great stuff you can grow here, but when I asked her about urban food trees (sparked by an article in the Chron about peak oil and growing food in the city), she dismissed it as saying that "people tend to pick them too soon" and "they are messy". The fact that food trees might be a necessity one day was lost on her, as you can imagine. So I think the hurdle at this point is the issue of "messiness": the city tends to plant trees that need no management, and I'm sure the FUF probably have to deal with that issue as well. Time for some education.
 
David
 


From: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aheartwell
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 7:25 PM
To: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sfoilawareness] trees

hi all,

We were talking about more hands-on activities in the last mtg, which
reminded me of this article from worldchanging about urban
permaculture activities, in l.a. of all places:

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/003847.html

Anything like that go on here? Anyone know about or worked with
Friends of the Urban Forest? Obviously our climate's not as conducive
to fruit trees as s. cal's, but perhaps still potential there...?

-allyse




#12 From: "aheartwell" <aheartwell@...>
Date: Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:24 am
Subject: trees
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hi all,

We were talking about more hands-on activities in the last mtg, which
reminded me of this article from worldchanging about urban
permaculture activities, in l.a. of all places:

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/003847.html

Anything like that go on here? Anyone know about or worked with
Friends of the Urban Forest? Obviously our climate's not as conducive
to fruit trees as s. cal's, but perhaps still potential there...?

-allyse

#11 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:24 am
Subject: Re: syriana leafleting reprise
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At 09:15 PM 12/16/2005, you wrote:
>so our sojourn in front of the kabuki amc was somewhat less productive
>than i'd hoped. not such a popular movie? anyway, it was f***ing
>cold... so we bailed early. hope no one showed up for the last show.
>
>if anyone wants to try later on or are going to see the film
>themselves,  i've got 197 leaflets that still need homes.

I just got back from the harvey milk club xmess party. It was, um interesting!

I really didn't care for Syriana when I saw it, but mostly because
of  problems with the film making. I didn't connect to anybody (maybe that
was the point) which meant I didn't care whether somebody was "less bad" or
"real bad." Plus I assumed (probably incorrectly) that the middle americans
really already know about what sort of dirty dealing the CIA / etc. etc.
are involved with. For me there were no revelations.

But that's my opinion
Dennis

#10 From: "aheartwell" <aheartwell@...>
Date: Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:15 am
Subject: syriana leafleting reprise
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so our sojourn in front of the kabuki amc was somewhat less productive
than i'd hoped. not such a popular movie? anyway, it was f***ing
cold... so we bailed early. hope no one showed up for the last show.

if anyone wants to try later on or are going to see the film
themselves,  i've got 197 leaflets that still need homes.

-allyse

#9 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:52 am
Subject: Uploaded File: Tad W. Patzek Presentation
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Hi all, we've got a good start on sign ups for this group.

David Fridley sent me a pdf recently of a document some folks may find helpful. I have uploaded it to our yahoo site, will place it on the web site, and probably upload to the East Bay/Bay area yahoo group. Take note of the chart comparing the total consumption of energy from fossil fuels in the US vs. the total production of energy by ALL the biomass of the US. Sorry if some of you are already aware of/have a copy of this document:

Document details:

The United States of America Meets the Planet Earth
Presented on August 23, 2005, at the National Press Club Conference, Washington, D.C.
Tad W. Patzek, Professor
Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
425 Davis Hall
University of California, Berkeley, CA 94720

[excerpt]

"In a year, all vegetation in the USA delivers less biomass energy than the fossil and nuclear energy we consume. Most of the annual biomass production is committed to food, feed, lumber, paper pulp, fiber, etc., and is heavily subsidized with fossil fuels. Most of the remaining land is covered with sparse and remote vegetation, but some of it could be used for biofuel production. Compared with current energy use in the U.S.,
the impact of biomass is almost negligible, regardless of its source."

Dennis

#8 From: "chakbahlam" <jredmane@...>
Date: Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:36 am
Subject: Re: syriana leafletting... and an interesting link
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Sounds cool, I'll try and make it to the first two, though depending
on how much I get done in the morning I may just make it to the 9:53
one. Do we need to get permission from the theater people to do this?
In any case, I'll see you there!

-Jennifer

--- In sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com, "aheartwell" <aheartwell@h...>
wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
> for those of you wanting to join me in passing stuff out at syriana
> showings tomorrow night, i'm going to be at kabuki amc, post and
fillmore.
>
> i'll print out a bunch of flyers and also have some of mike's
> postcards that we can give ppl if they seem inclined to look at them.
> if you have stuff you'd like to pass out, bring that too. i think it'd
> be better to give ppl the info after the movie, so here are some movie
> end times:
>
> 6:13, 9:53, 12:53
>
> come for one, come for all. i'm planning to stay for the first two
> (maybe catch a "narnia" showing in between -- i'm a sucker for cs
> lewis), and if someone's more of a night owl and wants to cover the
> last one then i could stick around for a little after that to pass off
> the flyers.
>
> i'd also be up for doing it again saturday at amc van ness, depending
> on how fruitful it seems...
>
> and on a, well, darker note:
>
> http://www.energybulletin.net/11733.html
>
> an interesting article from us news. it begins (or rather continues
> inexorably).
>
> best,
>
> allyse
>
> questions, concerns, confusion: 808-203-4827
>

#7 From: "chakbahlam" <jredmane@...>
Date: Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:28 am
Subject: meeting format
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For those of you who didn't get your own copy (apologies for the lack
of copies) here it is:

The Official Positions (whittled down to three):

1. The Facilitator (the role you fill) is responsible for:
-- Starting and ending the meeting on time.
-- Creating an agenda based on group member's input.
-- Presenting the agenda for review.
-- Setting time limits for each discussion topic.
-- Introducing each topic and suggesting how it may be diuscussed
(brainstorm, go-around, popcorn, etc.).
-- Keeping the discussion focused and on-topic.
-- Dealing with disruptive behavior.
-- Coordinating a decision-making process.
-- Bringing each discussion to a close.
-- Closing the meeting by reviewing what discussions have been made,
also, allowing time for evaluation of feelings and productivity.
-- Thanking people for coming
-- The Facilitator is the most influential person in the meeting. This
person has the ability to set the tone of the meeting, which can be
the deciding factor in producing a constructive meeting where everyone
stays involved and is heard.
-- The Facilitator should as much as possible model the behavior
necessary for a good meeting: Speaking briefly and to the point, using
humor and eye contact, remaining attentive, hearing each contribution
with the intent of understanding, responding with respectfulness, and
disagreeing with ideas not people. (I have more resources on
techniques of effective facilitation, which might be useful to share
with the rest of the group because they can make for better overall
meeting-members, not just good facilitators.)
2. The Scribe is responsible for writing ideas up on a flip
chart/board/other vertical object so that everyone can keep track of
what's being said
3. The Note Taker is responsible for taking detailed notes of what
transpired at the meeting and typing them up into minutes for
distribution to all participants


A standard agenda:

1. check-in (welcome, intro to new people, etc.)
2. schedule and announcements
3. appreciations (thanks to all who contributed in the past month, etc.)
4. agenda review
-- members can introduce new agenda items, but announcements belong in
the "announcements" category.
-- use of a "parking lot" to park ideas/issues that cannot be
discussed immediately or are not immediately relevant, but may be
returned to later or at a following meeting. Review ideas already parked.
5. agenda: old business/new business
6. next steps (what we'll all work on in the time between meetings,
where we hope to get to before next meeting)
7. evaluation (was the meeting effective? are we all clear on where we
stand? are issues that we weren't able to work through stated and
parked til next meeting?) and check-out (bye y'all, now let's stand on
the sidewalk chatting for another half hour...)


And lastly the consensus process used to introduce/discuss/decide the
fate of agenda items:

(this is one possible process we can use. I'm not sure it's necessary
for all issues, but I think it would be useful to involve more people
in the group in more ways than just passive observation, and share
some of the decision-making work that seems to currently fall
disproportionately on a few core members.)

A consensus process aims at bringing the group into mutual agreement
by adderessing all concerns. It does not require unanimity. Consensus
asks us to step out of our narrow personal agenda and make decisions
that are in the best interest of the whole group. Individuals still
have stake, and get to discuss their issues. Someone who has a
personal concern with a proposal, but who has had their issues
deliberated on by the group and feels they can live with the decision
can allow a decision to be made by "standing aside." A "block" is a
person's way of disalowing a decision. A block is only used when a
person has a strong moral disagreement or thinks that the decision
will fundamentally damage the group. It is not a step to be taken lightly.

The steps to consensus are:
1. State the issue. what are we talking about? the facilitator asks
the person who brought the issue to the group to frame the issue.
2. Clarify the question. What needs to be decided? The facilitator or
framer states what needs to be decided.
3. Discussion. What are all the viewpoints? The facilitator asks each
person to speak to the issue.
-- Process suggestions take precedence in discussion. these include:
dividing the proposal into several parts for discussion, breaking into
smaller groups for discussion, forming a committee to rework the
proposal, or pointing out a mistake in procedure.
-- If discussion on an issue has gone on for a long time and is making
no headway, call for a break or a moment of silence.
-- Issues can be parked to await further discussion at the next meeting.
4. Make a proposal. The facilitator asks for proposals describing
action the group can take that incorporates all viewpoints.
(can often reach consensus right here, without further discusison.)
5. Discussion. The facilitator asks people to speak to proposals by
asking clarifying questions or by expressing support or concerns.
6. Modify proposal by friendly amendments or withdraw the proposal and
solicit a new one.
7. Test for consensus.
-- call for concerns -- the facilitator restates the proposal and asks
if anyone still has concers. If so, the person with the concerns is
asked to restate them and others speak to those concerns.
-- call for objections within consensus -- if people still have
concerns even after they have been thoroughly discussed, the
facilitator asks if those persons with remaining concerns are willing
to stand aside.
-- call for blocks -- if persons with concerns cannot stand aside then
the facilitator asks if they are blocking. If blocked, the proposal is
dropped or discussed further or sent to committee.
8. Consensus reached. If there are no blocks, ask everyone to show
visual (hand raising) or oral agreement.
9. Decision implemented (the really hard part). Who does what when?

#6 From: "Sharon Kulz" <s_kulz@...>
Date: Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:13 am
Subject: Re: Heinberg in East Bay
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     Yes! I'll be there!   Interestingly, PEMEX just last week divilged that they were past Peak.  I wonder if Albero knew this before committing to this debate.

     I don't know the Walnut Creek area.  Any chance of a carpool ( shared expenses)?

Sharon

 


--- In sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Brumm <brumm@b...> wrote:
>
>
> Posted by David Room on the East Bay group:
>
> Richard Heinberg will debate energy analyst, former oil exec, and economist
> Jose Alberro in the `burbs. It would be great if there a strong post carbon
> contingency at the event.
>
> Mt. Diablo Peace and Justice Center presents a
> "Working Towards Peace Forum" on PEAK OIL
>
> Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 7:00 p.m.
> Mt. Diablo Unitarian Universalist Church,
> 55 Eckley Lane, Walnut Creek
>
> What is PEAK OIL?
> Does it cause high gas prices?
> What does it mean for our future?
> What can be done? What should be done?
>
> Speakers:
> JOSÉ ALBERRO is currently a Director of LECG, a global expert services
> firm. His expertise is in economic and financial modeling; sector analysis;
> strategy, regulatory, and performance improvements, particularly in oil and
> gas sectors. From 1992-1994, Dr. Alberro was Director General (CEO) of
> Mexico's PEMEX Gas and Basic Petrochemicals. He is a former consultant to
> the United Nations (World Bank, UNDP and ECLAC). Dr. Alberro received a
> Ph.D. in economics from the University of Chicago.
>
> RICHARD HEINBERG is an expert on Peak Oil, and the author of The Party's
> Over: Energy Resources and the Fate of Industrial Societies, and Powerdown:
> Options And Actions For A Post-Carbon World. He is a core faculty member at
> New College of California, where he teaches courses on "Energy and
> Society," and "Culture, Ecology and Sustainable Community."
> Suggested Donation: $5.00-$20.00
> Mt. Diablo Peace and Justice Center, 55 Eckley Lane, Walnut Creek, CA *
> 925-933-7850
>


#5 From: "aheartwell" <aheartwell@...>
Date: Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:00 am
Subject: syriana leafletting... and an interesting link
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hi all,

for those of you wanting to join me in passing stuff out at syriana
showings tomorrow night, i'm going to be at kabuki amc, post and fillmore.

i'll print out a bunch of flyers and also have some of mike's
postcards that we can give ppl if they seem inclined to look at them.
if you have stuff you'd like to pass out, bring that too. i think it'd
be better to give ppl the info after the movie, so here are some movie
end times:

6:13, 9:53, 12:53

come for one, come for all. i'm planning to stay for the first two
(maybe catch a "narnia" showing in between -- i'm a sucker for cs
lewis), and if someone's more of a night owl and wants to cover the
last one then i could stick around for a little after that to pass off
the flyers.

i'd also be up for doing it again saturday at amc van ness, depending
on how fruitful it seems...

and on a, well, darker note:

http://www.energybulletin.net/11733.html

an interesting article from us news. it begins (or rather continues
inexorably).

best,

allyse

questions, concerns, confusion: 808-203-4827

#4 From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:31 pm
Subject: Heinberg in East Bay
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Posted by David Room on the East Bay group:

Richard Heinberg will debate energy analyst, former oil exec, and economist
Jose Alberro in the ‘burbs.  It would be great if there a strong post carbon
contingency at the event.

Mt. Diablo Peace and Justice Center presents a
"Working Towards Peace Forum" on PEAK OIL

Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 7:00 p.m.
Mt. Diablo Unitarian Universalist Church,
55 Eckley Lane, Walnut Creek

What is PEAK OIL?
Does it cause high gas prices?
What does it mean for our future?
What can be done? What should be done?

Speakers:
JOSÉ ALBERRO is currently a Director of LECG, a global expert services
firm. His expertise is in economic and financial modeling; sector analysis;
strategy, regulatory, and performance improvements, particularly in oil and
gas sectors. From 1992-1994, Dr. Alberro was Director General (CEO) of
Mexico’s PEMEX Gas and Basic Petrochemicals. He is a former consultant to
the United Nations (World Bank, UNDP and ECLAC). Dr. Alberro received a
Ph.D. in economics from the University of Chicago.

RICHARD HEINBERG is an expert on Peak Oil, and the author of The Party's
Over: Energy Resources and the Fate of Industrial Societies, and Powerdown:
Options And Actions For A Post-Carbon World. He is a core faculty member at
New College of California, where he teaches courses on "Energy and
Society," and "Culture, Ecology and Sustainable Community.”
Suggested Donation: $5.00-$20.00
Mt. Diablo Peace and Justice Center, 55 Eckley Lane, Walnut Creek, CA *
925-933-7850

#3 From: "esolisanders" <hauchk@...>
Date: Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: Syriana Flyer site
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This is the link i had mentionned related to the movie:
http://www.participate.net/oilchange

If you go to the official participant productions website, it links
you there:
http://www.participantproductions.com/films/Coming+Soon/68/Syriana

Obviously the guys who made this movie must be well aware of the issue.

Kris

#2 From: "rlhughes_comcast" <rlhughes@...>
Date: Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:25 am
Subject: Syriana Flyer site
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In case you have difficulty finding them here is the url for the
flyers:
http://www.postcarbon.org/syriana/downloads

A Very fast implementation Dennis!

#1 From: "Sharon Kulz" <s_kulz@...>
Date: Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:18 am
Subject: Links to Post Carbon Tech
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MERRY CHRISTMAS !>>
SPEAKING OF PARADIGM SHIFTS, FEAST YOUR MINDS ON WHAT'S REPLACING OIL!>>
These three companies are producing power from waves.>>
http://www.oceanpd.com/>>
http://www.oceanpowertechnologies.com/>>
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http://www.nanosolar.com/.        "Nanosolar's PV at  improved cost efficiency. >>
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http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au/   SUNBALL SOLAR ROOF $1500>>
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http://www.physorg.com/news7499.htdrml   A car that makes its own fuel >>
http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=9263>>
Australian companies are looking to harness hot rock temperatures to unleash green energy. >>
http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/research/story/0,,1627657,00.html>>
Massachusetts Institute of Technology built a prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat than conventional fuel from water and w/o waste!>>
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/11/02/BUGGMFHGIV1.DTL&type=business>>
CANADIAN WIND ENERGY CABLED UNDERWATER TO BAY AREA>>
http://ve.ou.edu/weaver/mor/mor.htm >>
There is enough geothermal energy to supply the world's needs for the next several hundred thousand years if not for millions of years by electrolyzing water to produce hydrogen.>>
Ocean Renewable Energy Coalition>>
 >>
Water-driven Car>>
 http://www.free-energy.cc/electrolysis.html >>
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Mass-produced, Meltdown-proof Nuclear Energy>>

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Free Energy Machine

http://www.lutec.com.au/faq.htm  

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http://www.changingworldtech.com/what/problems.asp#energy   Energy alternatives>>

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http://www.shec-labs.com>>

World's First Solar Hydrogen Production Station Using Landfill Methane>>
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/18mar_fuelcell.htm.  >>
Toyota 250 miles per fill-up>>
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0321-02.htm>>
Remineralize soil with Volcanic Rock Dust>>
http://www.theaircar.com/>>
Cute as a button French car that runs ( IS running) on air.>>
There are active links to the above on General discussions @ Post Carbon Institute.Org>>
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