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http://www.officialwire.com/main.php?action=posted_news&rid=32251&catid=3

The article didn't come up. �Here's some articles with the same title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlTagSZPm7o&feature=player_embedded

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/16/obama-poised-to-cede-us-sovereignty-in-copenhagen-claims-british-lord-monckton/

That last one has complete comments from this global warming denier who seems to be the source of the whoop-te-doo. �

The title did show and it fits with the right wing paranoid fantasy propaganda that's circling around. �I dipped my toe in those waters last week and man there's a bunch of delusional lies being handed around.

Where it fits is with the "North American Union" and the "Amero" is going to replace the Dollar and U.S. and Canada and Mexico, just like the European Union and the Euro replaced all the countries and currencies in Europe. �

If that happens it won't be Obama's fault, he will have simply served to implement a step in a plan that's been unfolding for years. �The groundwork for the N.A.U. has been in preparation for a long time (like NAFTA and OAS).

- David Herron

http://www.7gen.com

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:18 AM, sharon kulz <s_kulz@...> wrote:

�

Any thoughts on this? Implications?

<http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/15816>

Sharon

#599

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:18 am
Subject: Ceding Sovereignty for Climate Change

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Any thoughts on this? Implications?

<http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/15816>

Sharon

#598

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Thu Oct 8, 2009 3:31 am
Subject: Re: Water Wars:Colossal Land Grab by the UN &the Feds

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Second Posting

Yes...and of those 300mln. to 1.5Bln left on the planet, what percent would be:

1. The extraordinarily Wealthy, who have trashed the planet in their quest for $ and power, who could effortlessly afford immediate and mind-boggling epic investment in realistic alternatives but instead have, for the most part, chosen to trawl for and squander the last of the fossils .

2. The Poor upon whose backs they made their wealth?

3. The Middle Class that rose for what could have been more than their brief shining moment in History, then succumbed to financial servitude by buying the stuff the wealthy dangled in front of them?

   4. The top-heavy Military that spilled blood for the right of the Wealthy to plunder resources. And who guard the ill-gotten gain?

   5. The Farmers, Fishermen and Cattlemen?

    6. The Artists, dancers, writers, comedians and musicians that make life worth living and to whom the mega wealthy turn in times of severe ennui?

     7. The Clergy who have wrung their hands and moaned over the poor, whilst accepting huge amounts of money, art and buildings for their larders.

Chart - Percentage of Resource Consumption per Economic Level
<http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats>

Sharon

#597

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Sun Oct 4, 2009 2:50 am
Subject: (No subject)

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Re: [sfbayoil] Water Wars:Colossal Land Grab by the UN &the Feds

...

Saturday, October 3, 2009 7:45:06 PM

From:	sharon kulz <s_kulz@...> ... Add to Contacts
To:	sfbayoil@yahoogroups.com

Chart - Percentage of Resource Consumption per Economic Level
<http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats>

Sharon

#596

From: "carboncycleconsulting" <carboncycleconsulting@...>
Date: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:03 pm
Subject: Re: Science Daily on Abiotics

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Sharon:

IMHO, what the article misses is that whether or not we can find an
unlimited supply of hydrocarbons, we are reaching a limit on what the
biosphere can hold as a sink for carbon in it's various forms, including
carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and the oceans.

I feel we have to change how we commonly think of the energy 'contained'
within hydrocarbons.  I suggest that the thermal energy we use to
generate power in our engines should be thought of as a difference in
chemical potential between hydrocarbons and the oxygen in the air.
Since hydrocarbons have historically been the limiting side of the
energy equation, our chemistry lessons have taught us what energy is
'contained' solely within the hydrocarbons bonds that are broken when
the carbon and hydrogen combine with oxygen.

Instead, I'd like to suggest that we need to look at the energy from
burning hydrocarbons as just that, energy obtained from the conversion
of hydrocarbons to H2O and CO2, not within the hydrocarbons themselves.
This would shift the emphasis, and more importantly the valuation, now
primarily on fuels, to both fuels and the sinks in the biosphere which
ultimately must hold the CO2 produced.

As we approach a realm where the biosphere becomes more and more
constipated with carbon, IMHO, I believe we need to start thinking of
the limitations of the various carbon sinks in the biosphere.

As backwards as this may seem, a story like this would not "make oil
execs and their investors verrrry unhappy".  Quite the contrary.
Stories about abiotics are anything but new.  A few decades ago,
scientists in a Scandanavian country were convinced that they could
locate oil deposits where oil, using traditional methods, would not be
found.  They drilled a deep well where they predicted oil would be and
came up dry.

What IS important here is to understand the dynamics of the oil market.
Oil men know they are selling a legacy fuel.  They question is how fast
consumers and investors will head for the exits.  Oil, coal and gas
(OCG) are quickly turning into the proverbial 'cash cow' that often
happens whenever a product approaches the end of it's life cycle.  What
is critical to oilmen (and women) are the barriers to exit, that is how
fast can we find acceptable substitutes to oil, how fast consumers can
switch away from OCG, and how fast the industry will disinvest.

What the OCG industry wants is to keep as many consumers convinced that
OCG is a viable fuel for the future as possible.  The OCG marketers do
this by convincing consumers that there will be a long term, economic
supply OCG for the life of their investments.  Only then will consumers
(including public, private, military, etc.) continue to make the long
term investments in the plant and equipment that utilize OCG, and by
doing so, maximum amount of cash the OCG industry can withdraw out of
this cow.   The last thing the OCG wants is for consumers to think that
OCG prices are going to increase dramatically over the life of their
investment.

Just some thoughts ...

--- In sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com, sharon kulz <s_kulz@...> wrote:
>
>      As environmentally unfavorable as this discovery may prove to be,
like one more dandelion raising its unappreciated head, abiotic fuel has
bounced back into the news.
>
> This could make oil execs and their investors verrrry unhappy.
>
> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090910084259.htm>
>
> While aware of the research done to nullify the theory of abiotic
fuel, I don't recall reading any Russian studies refuting abiotics.
>
> Sharon
>

#595

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:14 am
Subject: Science Daily on Abiotics

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As environmentally unfavorable as this discovery may prove to be, like one more dandelion raising its unappreciated head, abiotic fuel has bounced back into the news.

This could make oil execs and their investors verrrry unhappy.

<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090910084259.htm>

While aware of the research done to nullify the theory of abiotic fuel, I don't recall reading any Russian studies refuting abiotics.

Sharon

#594

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:35 pm
Subject: Swiss Bank Farewell to America

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Hold onto the walls...the rug's about to be pulled (even further).

<http://www.wegelin.ch/download/medien/presse/kom_265en.pdf>

Sharon

#593

From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: Hard times for devastated dairy farmers

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>
>Guess the timess comes when people do cry over spilt milk.
>
>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/23/MNIH18QAG1.DTL

Corporatia is simply trying to control one last branch of farming
they apparently haven't grabbed:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112002639

#592

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:21 am
Subject: Hard times for devastated dairy farmers

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California is losing more than dairy farmers here. The heritage of some of this state's oldest families is exiting the pages of history.

Guess the timess comes when people do cry over spilt milk.

<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/23/MNIH18QAG1.DTL>

Sharon

#591

From: technology job <technology1978@...>
Date: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:22 pm
Subject: Immediate Hiring Senior Engineers For Saudi Arabia. (14, Aug, 2009)

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#590

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:18 am
Subject: Miner's Canary

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Lest we prematurely assume that the American Spirit has reached its next to final gasp, here is a note from the canary at the bottom of the mine.

<http://www.guernicamag.com/spotlight/1182/food_among_the_ruins/>

Sharon

#589

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:32 am
Subject: Greenpeace Peak Oil Study

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<http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jul/27/greenpeace-oil-companies-shell>

#588

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:19 am
Subject: Fw: [SALT] Genetically engineered organic TUESDAY July 28 (for forwarding)

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Thos of us who are in the sustainable and orgaic movements should check this out.

Sharon

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Stewart Brand <sb@...> wrote:

From: Stewart Brand <sb@...>
Subject: [SALT] Genetically engineered organic TUESDAY July 28 (for forwarding)
To: salt@...
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:11 PM

Genetically engineered organic TUESDAY July 28 (for forwar

Pamela Ronald is the head of a plant genetics lab at UC Davis; Raoul Adamchak teaches organic farming there. They're married (with kids), and they coauthored Tomorrow's Table: Organic Farming, Genetics, and the Future of Food.

In the book, they wrote: "To meet the appetites of the world's population without drastically hurting the environment requires a visionary new approach: combining genetic engineering and organic farming." Agriculture has been a revolutionary biological science for 10,000 years---husbanding soil, tweaking the genes of the food crops. This is the next stage.

"Organically Grown and Genetically Engineered: The Food of the Future" Pamela Ronald and Raoul Adamchak, Cowell Theater, Fort Mason, San Francisco, 7pm, Tuesday, July 28. The show starts promptly at 7:30pm. Admission is free---if there's room. To be sure of a seat, become a Long Now member and reserve a seat or order an advance ticket ($10).

Some SALT talks have overflowed, and latecomers had to be turned away. To head off the problem, here's the arrangement:

Long Now Members can reserve a seat +1 guest HERE (Use the discount code listed in your email and on the Events tab on the Long Now Member's site.)
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Dec. 4 (Fri.) - Rick Prelinger, "Lost Landscapes of San Francisco 4"

Jan. 13 (Wed.) - Wade Davis, "The Wayfinders: Why Ancient Wisdom Matters in the Modern World"

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#587

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:17 am
Subject: Environmental Heirs of Banker and Oilman

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/12/david-de-rothschild-plastiki-pacific

Yes! Now this is poetic justice. And starting from Pier 31 in San Francisco, no less!

Son of Rothchild to embark on Mission to Confront the Great Pacific Plastic Patch!

Plastiki,com for those who mught want to give him a rousing send-off on April 28th.

http://www.adventureecology.com/theplastiki/main.html

Oil Heir Charles Moore turns Environmental Activist

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/the-worlds-rubbish-dump-a-garbage-tip-that-stretches-from-hawaii-to-japan-778016.html

Yes! We need more activist Sons of Billionaires to lend new meaning to S.O.B.'S

Perhaps the sins of the fathers not only will not be visited upon their sons, but might even be partially mitigated by them.

Sharon

#586

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:41 pm
Subject: Fw: Urgent Action! Make History for Solar Power in California!

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--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Pacific Environment <pacificenvironment@...> wrote:

From: Pacific Environment <pacificenvironment@...>
Subject: Urgent Action! Make History for Solar Power in California!
To: s_kulz@...
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 11:29 AM

Pacific Environment E-mail Newsletter :: December 2005

Sign a petition by Thursday to make history for solar power in California!

Support the California Energy Commission's decision to choose solar power over fossil fuels!

Dear sharon,

We need your help to stand up for clean energy in California! Last month, the California Energy Commission set a historic precedent for solar power in California - sign a petition today at www.pacificenvironment.org/solar to ensure the decision gets upheld! The Commission temporarily denied the permit for a fossil fuel power plant in Chula Vista on the grounds that the company, MMC, did not fully consider the potential of locally sited solar power. This is the first time a government agency in California has concluded that solar power is a viable option over fossil fuel power.

On Monday, April 13, the California Energy Commission is set to make a final decision, and they are under pressure to reverse their previous denial of the plant. Please back up the Commission's proposed decision by signing our petition at www.pacificenvironment.org/solar by the end of the day this Thursday, and we will send it to them in time for the Monday hearing.

Thank you!

The Pacific Environment Team

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#585

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Mon Apr 6, 2009 2:14 am
Subject: Food Storage Links

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Oxygen Absorbers

<http://www.sorbentsystems.com/o2absorbers.html>

Mylar Bags

<http://www.sorbentsystems.com/mylar.html>

Mylar Packaging and O2 absorption instructions for 5 Gallon Buckets

http://waltonfeed.com/old/self/upack/useoxy.html

Sealing with an iron ( Although this site reccomends a warm iron and a 3-4 inch seal, I've used a hot iron and a 2 inch seal with a success rate of 7 out of 8 packages,

<http://www.sorbentsystems.com/mylariron.html>

Information and free booklets on any kind of food storage

<http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/index.html>

Sharon

#584

From: Dennis Brumm <dwbrumm@...>
Date: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:46 pm
Subject: Re: Gravitational Vortex Power Plant

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On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:40 PM, David F <david@...> wrote:

Yes, �low-head micro-hydro

Sounds like a cousin to the many-headed macro-hydra.

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#583

From: "David F" <david@...>
Date: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:40 am
Subject: RE: Gravitational Vortex Power Plant

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Yes, low-head micro-hydro has been around for a long time, and is useful on the personal scale. What are you saying about it being a fix for?

David

From: sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sfoilawareness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sharon kulz
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:32 PM
To: san fran oil
Subject: [sfoilawareness] Gravitational Vortex Power Plant

Don't say it! Don't!.......I realize this is another fix. What can you do? They pop up like dandelions.

In addition to generating electricity on a small scale, running water through a vortex aerates the H2O and restores it's living structure . Sort of like getting sound from a Tibetan bowl.

<http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Zotloterer_Gravitational_Vortex_Power_Plant>

Vortex Tech Info:
                <http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Viktor_Schauberger>

Background on the work of Viktor Schauberger:
                <http://www.arch.ksu.edu/seamon/Schauberger_rev.htm>

Peripherally related and of interest to Poets and Scientists:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7920869018072072730

Sharon

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#582

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:31 am
Subject: Gravitational Vortex Power Plant

s_kulz

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7920869018072072730

Sharon

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#581

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Mon Mar 9, 2009 4:40 am
Subject: HR 875 and Senate Bill 425 Food "Safety"

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Please read and forward to anyone in the Sustainability, Food Justice and Local Foods movements, Small Farms and Home Gardeners.

Write to your congressional representatives. Big Agriculture certainly has the ears of Congress. And they shall have ours.

Many in Congress have not read these BIlls and, thus have not had clarified to them and to us exactly what the effects will be on those involved in the Local Control of Food.

What these Bills may mean for local control of Food.
<http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=12671>

Farmers Legal Defense Fund
<http://www.ftcldf.org/news/news-02mar2009.htm>
( This Bill may also be a States Rights issue.)

Local Activist Chapters
<http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html>

Text of HR 875
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c1112RD9bb:e11439:

Sharon
San Francisco

#580

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Fri Feb 6, 2009 5:11 am
Subject: HR 25 Proposed Tax Repeal Law

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Any conjectures on this? If this is for real, we need to jog our Reps in the House and Senate.

A repeal of taxes to this extent would certainly involve an extensive re-tooling of the US infrastructure.

Does anyone know of a country which functions efficiently without such taxes? ( Not Zimbabwe) How?

<http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.25:>

Sharon
San Francisco

#579

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:00 am
Subject: Nominations for the White House Farmer.

s_kulz

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Dignify Sweat!

Vote for the first White House Farmer.

Please vote before Jan. 31st.

<http://whitehousefarmer.com/>

Sharon

#578

From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: Petition for Sustainable appointee for Secretary of Agriculture

dennisbrumm

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He already chose Vilsak, former governor of Iowa.

Please take a moment to let the Obama team hear your voice. Forward this e.mail.

Sharon
San Francisco

***Americans for a Sustainable USDA: PLease Sign!!!***

#577

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:01 am
Subject: Petition for Sustainable appointee for Secretary of Agriculture

s_kulz

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Please take a moment to let the Obama team hear your voice. Forward this e.mail.

Sharon
San Francisco

Americans for a Sustainable USDA: PLease Sign!!!

Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:49 pm (PST)

    There is still a possibility that one extremely critical position won't go to a corporatist. Wherever you are, please sign the petition below!!!

    This is a petition asking Obama to appoint a "sustainable" choice as Secretary of Agriculture. Now, online petitions never work, but listen: Michael Dimock, president of Roots of Change (a non-profit where I currently volunteer), was on a conference call with Obama's transition team last week. He says that they are aware of the petition and said that 25,000 endorsements would get their attention, and 50,000 could really influence Obama's pick.

   It's currently at 42,000, and slowing down. Please take 15 seconds to sign, and a few moments to pass this along to your own networks. To reiterate: this petition has the attention of Obama's team, and they are expected to make their choice public very soon, so there are only a few days left to press for a reform-minded choice.

       Go here to sign petition: http://www.fooddemocracynow.org

#576

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Fri Oct 3, 2008 8:41 pm
Subject: Worthy Investment

s_kulz

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How here is something worth investing in!

<http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/10/03/pumped_up/?s_campaign=yahoo>

Sharon

#575

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:32 am
Subject: Interesting Matt Simmons Article

s_kulz

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An interesting Bio article on Matt Simmons, including his investment aspirations in alternatives.
Apparently, he is a friend of Pickens as well. Such a team!

<http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/15/news/economy/500dollaroil_okeefe.fortune/index.htm>

Sharon

#574

From: "Greg" <greg7gkb@...>
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2008 6:06 am
Subject: Re: Water 4 Gas?

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I've been following this company's advertisements for a couple of
weeks now.  I haven't seen their system operate in person, but it
has all the signs of a swindle.

They're making ridiculous, semi-scientific claims.  Water does not
have any chemical energy to easily release as they say.

They mention that their devices "use a little electricity out of
your car/truck battery" to make the hydrogen.  So my guess is that
it either uses a lot of electricity to make a modest amount of
hydrogen or they use very little energy and make a very small amount
of hydrogen.  This is done via a well-known process called
electrolysis that has, of course, a net energy loss.  In this
process, the loss is usually fairly substantial.  You can't get a
net gain in chemical energy as they describe.

Finally, they're not selling a service, they're selling an e-book.
It's a lot easier to get people to buy that than an actual service.

I saw this last week too... it looks like it's in the same vein:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_M&NR=1

Whenever there is a genuine problem, there will always be people out
there pushing a disingenuous solution to take advantage of people's
greed and fear.

All together, it looks like hokum.
-Greg

#573

From: Dennis Brumm <brumm@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 7:11 am
Subject: Re: FW: [permaculture-sf] Digest Number 1218

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At 09:10 PM 9/1/2008, you wrote:
>Do TPTB feel this unstable or are sustainable people more successful
>than previously thought?
>
>In case you haven't heard. Please forward.
>
>Sharon
>San Francisco

They've arrested Amy Goodman too. It's the police state. Those of us
who've gone to demos and so forth in SF don't find this in any way new.

In fact, didn't the Mnpls. police come here to take lessons from ours
a couple years ago or something? Or am I misremembering that but I
think I remember something.

#572

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 4:10 am
Subject: FW: [permaculture-sf] Digest Number 1218

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Do TPTB feel this unstable or are sustainable people more successful than previously thought?

In case you haven't heard. Please forward.

Sharon
San Francisco

Permaculture Education Bus Seized by Twin Cities Police at RNC

Posted by: "Starhawk" stella@...

Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:07 am (PDT)

Hey friends, we need your help! Our Earth Activist Training Sustainable
Skills Bus has been seized without cause by the police. Below is an account
from the Wilsons, who have been travelling in the bus for the last seven
months doing trainings in permaculture and sustainability, including ways
you can help. My own accounts from the action can be found on
www.starhawk.org and I�ll be posting daily as long as I can�or sign on to my
own list by emailing starhawk-subscribe@lists.riseup.net. If you�re on that
list, my own account follows. Please support these folks who have been
doing such good work for us all. Thanks!

POLICE SEIZE PERMIBUS

Please Post Far and Wide including any Media Contacts You May Have

At approximately 6:25 pm on August 30, 2008 Minneapolis Police, Minnesota
State Troopers, Ramsey County Sheriffs, Saint Paul Police, and University of
Minnesota Police pulled over the Earth Activist Training Permaculture
Demonstration Bus (Permibus) by exit 237 on Interstate 94. Initially the
police told the people on the bus to exit. When the people on the bus asked
if they were being detained they were told that they were but police
wereunable to provide justification. When asked why they pulled the bus over
they refused to answer. After repeated requests to explain why the bus had
been stopped Officer Honican of the Minneapolis Police explained that this
was just a routine traffic stop though he did not explain the reason for the
traffic stop. The police then told Stan Wilson, the driver and registered
owner of the Permibus, that they were going to impound the bus in case they
wanted to execute a search warrant later. After more than an hour of being
questioned by Stan and Delyla Wilson as to the legalities of their
detainment and the impoundment of the Permibus, the police then informed
Stan that the bus, which is legally registered as a passenger vehicle in the
state of Montana, was being impounded for a commercial vehicle inspection.
Shortly afterward Sergeant Paul Davis, a commercial vehicle inspector
arrived on scene. Despite the polices insistence that the reason for
impoundment was for a commercial vehicle inspection the Permibus crew were
not allowed to remove anything from the bus including computers, toiletries,
and 17-year-old Megan Wilson's shoes. The police finally allowed the animals
to be removed from the Permibus before it was towed, leaving the Permibus
family standing beside their chickens and dogs, homeless on the highway.

The Permibus was relocating from the Bedlam Theatre in Minneapolis, where
they had spent the day teaching Urban Permaculture, to a friend's house in
Saint Paul for a well deserved break. The Permibus has been in the
Minneapolis area since August 2nd when the crew appeared at the Midtown
Farmers Market for a morning of Permaculture education including
Permaculture 101, chicken care, seed ball making for kids, and the
Permi-puppet show. During the past month the Permibus has parked at several
local businesses and, as a neighborly gesture of respect for local police,
Mr. Wilson contacted the appropriate precincts just to let them know the
Permibus was in the area and had permission from the business owners to be
parked on their lot. Through this, as well as other casual discussions with
Minneapolis and Saint Paul police officers, the Permibus crew found the
local police to be interested and respectful. However on August 30th all
that changed when, for no apparent valid reason the police pulled over and
seized the Permibus. After the incident Stan Wilson said, "If the combined
law enforcement of Minneapolis, Saint Paul, Ramsey County, and the State of
Minnesota can pull over and impound a vehicle and home used to teach organic
gardening and sustainability, one has to wonder what it is our government
really fears. After all, we seek to teach people that the real meaning of
homeland security is local food, fuel and energy production. For that we
have had our lives stolen by government men with guns."

As of now, after repeated requests to be present at any vehicle inspection,
with an list of what they are inspecting for, as well as requests to be
served any warrants for searches of the vehicles prior to a search and to be
present during the search the Permi-family has been unable to ascertain the
current status of the Permibus. On site Mr. Wilson was told that Officer
Palmerranky was the inspector in charge of the case and would determine if
the Permi-family's rights protecting them from unreasonable search and
seizure would be respected. Neither Officer Palmerranky nor his supervisor
has yet to return Mr. Wilson's calls. The loss of her home and possessions
is particularly difficult on seventeen-year-old Megan Wilson. Megan, a
shining example of what this country asks of today's youth, has dedicated
herself to making positive changes in the world. She was the youth keynote
speaker at the Local to Global conference in Phoenix AZ, has taught conflict
resolution at youth shelters and is the outreach coordinator for the Skills
for a New Millennium Tour, the family traveling educational project. Megan
believes that, "While I understand that the world we live in is not as it
should be I strive to live and teach in a way that shows the world how life
could be. What I don't understand is why I can't get dressed for an evening
out with friends in my own home without armed men stealing my life out from
under me." The Permi-family, along with their dogs and Permaculture
super-hero chickens are currently being housed by folks in the Twin Cities.

The Skills for a New Millennium Tour is a family education project that
travels around the United States teaching homesteading, citizenship, and
life skills at farmers markets, community gardens, churches, intentional
communities, schools, and in people's living rooms. The Skills Tour is a
donation supported project dedicated to providing tools for sustainable
living, including Permaculture, to anyone who is interested, regardless of
income. "We believe that any solution that is not accessible to the poor and
urban areas is not a real solution for the future," states Delyla Wilson.
Permaculture is a design system with ethics and principles that can be
applied to food production, home design, and community building in order to
increase sustainability in food production, energy production, and social
systems. The Permibus is a rolling demonstration of small scale sustainable
living with three people, three dogs, three chickens, and a box of worms as
permanent residence. The chickens and worms are part of a closed-loop food
productions composting system that supports the Permibus's traveling garden.
For more information on the seizure of the Permibus, the Skills for the New
Millennium Tour, or Permaculture, the Wilson's can be reached at
406-721-8427 or through email at skillstour@gmail.com. You can also see
pictures and read stories about the last six months of their educational
adventures at permibus.livejournal.com.

To our supporters: First we ask that as many people as possible contact
precinct one in Minneapolis, MN at 612-673-5701 and Mayor Rybak at

Phone: (612) 673-2100 or

call 311 or call (612) 673-3000 outside Minneapolis.

Also call the Ramsey County Sheriff

Sheriff - Bob Fletcher 651-266-9300

and demand the immediate release of the Permibus.

We are also in desperate need of donations. Though we do not yet know the
full cost of getting the permibus returned we know that it will include tow
fee, impound fees, and legal fees. To donate contact us directly for a local
address or...

Donate On-line:

Go to: www.earthactivisttraining.org/donate.htm

Click on: Donate Now!

Under "Gift Information" write: Permibus

Under "Please send acknowledgment of this gift to" write:
skillstour@gmail.com

Donate by Mail:

Make check payable to: A.C.T.

On the "For" line write: Permibus

Send check to: A.C.T. 1405 Hillmount St. Austin, TX 78704

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2.: FBI: Hands Off the Long Haul! (Berkeley, CA) - Sproul Plaza Thursday

Posted by: "Francisco Ramos Stierle" ramospancho@...

Mon Sep 1, 2008 3:42 am (PDT)

> From: Francisco Ramos Stierle <ramospancho@gmail.com>
> Date: September 1, 2008 3:25:40 AM PDT
> To: UC-Demil <uc@....net>, ucb@....net,
> freetheuc@lists.riseup.net, localistas@lists.berkeley.edu,
> freespeechfreetrees@googlegroups.com, mexcal_ucb@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: FBI: Hands Off the Long Haul! (Berkeley, CA) - Sproul
> Plaza Thursday Sep 4th from 11am-1pm
>
> Dear beloved citizens of the World,
>
> The Long Haul Infoshop (3124 Shattuck Ave. Berkeley, California)
> was recently raided by the FBI, who confiscated all 12 of the
> computers that were in the office. In response, we need to help
> support them, and stand united against arbitrary police injustice!
>
> What is the Long Haul?
> It is a non-hierarchical community, space and resource center. It
> is an all-volunteer, anti-profit collectively run consensus based
> organization. It provides office space for various groups including
> the Infoshop, Slingshot Newspaper, East Bay Food Not Bombs, East
> Bay Prison Support, Cycles of Change and more!
>
> What is the Infoshop?
> It hosts a community library and reading room. It is an information
> distribution center featuring many periodicals, zines, pamphlets,
> videos, and books not to mention free public internet access. You
> can post flyers for upcoming actions on the community bulletin
> board, create a zine in the loft, or make some food in the cooking
> area. It is a great place to meet and network with your community.
>
>
> 1. The facts.
> At 10:30 am on Wednesday, August 27th, the UC Berkeley police,
> plainclothes FBI agents, and an Alameda County sheriff raided at
> gunpoint the Long Haul, a long-standing community library and info
> shop.
>
> Police spent at least an hour and a half searching the premises
> without allowing Long Haul members entry to their building. More
> than a dozen computers and other equipment were seized in the
> morning raid.
>
> Having made no attempt to contact Long Haul members, agents forced
> their way into the building by entering a neighboring non-profit
> office with guns drawn. Police refused to provide a search warrant
> until after the raid was over and property was seized.
>
> The police went through every room, both public and locked -
> cutting or unscrewing the locks - and removed every computer from
> the building. Most of the computers taken were removed from an
> unmonitored public space where people come to use the computers
> just as they would at a public library. The remaining computers
> were taken from closed offices where they are needed for the day-to-
> day operation of the work done by members. Offices were rifled
> through, and a list of people who had borrowed books from the
> library was checked, as was the sales log.
>
> The warrant, which was produced after the raid, had little relevant
> information. It claimed that the officers were searching for (1)
> property or things used as a means of committing a felony; and (2)
> property or things that are evidence that tends to show a felony
> has been committed, or tends to show that a particular person has
> committed a felony.
>
>
> 2. Here's what you can do to support:
> (1) If you have a computer that you can donate or loan to the Long
> Haul, please call them at (510) 540-0751.
>
> (2) Please call UC Berkeley Police Chief Victoria Harrison at (510)
> 642-1133, let her know what you think of this raid, and demand that
> all seized property be returned immediately.
>
> (3) Please call the San Francisco regional FBI headquarters at
> (415) 553-7400, and tell them to keep their hands off our activist
> communities.
>
> (4) Please invite your friends to the facebook group (of course,
> monitored by them), and help spread the news of this event far & wide!
>
> (5) Do you know any firm/lawyer who would like to have a pro bono
> work? Please call (510) 540-0751
>
> (6) Demonstrate for FREE SPEECH! Thursday, September 4th from
> 1100-1300 hrs in SPROUL PLAZA.
>
>
> 3. Planetizing the movement.
> There are thousands of Long Hauls-like organizations all over the
> globe. It's Collective Intelligence, the Invisible Revolution. They
> won't be able to stop it. Armies can be resisted, but not an idea
> who's time has come (i.e. internet, Peer2Peer, permaculture,
> farmers markets, preventive medicine, nonviolence -Love in
> Action-... ). What they don't know is that we are doing it for
> them, for their children and for their children of their children
> who whisper in our dreams: what are you doing to protect our home,
> the Earth? We are offering Satyagraha and constructive programs at
> many levels and in many fronts.
>
> When people cannot be controlled by others they are experiencing
> the ultimate power. When people come together on the basis of being
> completely powerful, completely fearless, they become unstoppable.
>
> Order imposed by brute force is only ephemeral. "Let our first act
> every morning be to make the following resolve: I shall not fear
> anyone. I shall not submit to injustice from anyone. In resisting
> untruth, I shall put up with all suffering." "First they ignore
> you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you WIN." --
> Mahatma Gandhi.

#571

From: sharon kulz <s_kulz@...>
Date: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:36 pm
Subject: IOUSA Our Economic Future

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This is basically an economic evaluation of the future if things continue to go in the same direction they are headed.

The critically-acclaimed documentary film I.O.U.S.A. was conceived of, co-written and executive produced by Agora Financial's Addison Wiggin. In July 2008, the film was acquired by The Peter G. Peterson Foundation. It will be featured in a Live Premier with Warren Buffet, Pete Peterson and David Walker ( The former accountant for the US Government) in 400 theatres around the nation on August 21st, 2008. To find out more visit the film's official site or click here to locate a theater near you.

Click here for your personal invitation from Dave Walker to attend the premier on August 21st.

If the links are not active, cut and paste this:

<http://www.agorafinancial.com/iousa.html>

Sharon
San Francisco