To: sarfatti@...
> From: antigray@...
> SERPO Story Exposed
> Hi Jack,
> I dug up our previous information about Victior Martinez and am
> sending it to the list members, along with information from Bill
> Hamilton about the science fiction writer that originally wrote the
> Serpo story. Lets hope this expose puts an end to this big waste of
> time. From now on if anyone receives further spam from Martinez,
> they can just delete it. A few people have unsubscribed already
> because of Victor's continual spamming.
> Art
>
> Hi Group,
> Using Victor Martinez as a source throws up a lot of red flags,
> literally, as he works under red flags, being an admitted communist
> agitator. For 7 months last year he and a small group of other
> communist radicals invaded Dr. Jack Sarfatti's open list of
> physicists who are working on advanced weapons and propulsion
> projects for the USG and attacked the members and their work with
> nasty comments, communist spam propaganda, etc. I personally spent
> a lot of time counterattacking them as soon as they posted their
> propaganda and attacks and exposing who they were and what they
> were doing so that the productive members of the group did not have
> to waste their time answering them. They finally gave up after I
> bitchslapped them day after day. The following is some emails
> between myself and Dr. Jack Sarfatti when Martinez stopped his
> attacks on the physicists and instead got into the disinformation
> game with the phony SERPO stories.
> Art Greenfield
>
> Date: 12/7/2005 5:46:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From: ANTIGRAY
> To: sarfatti@...
> Right-click picture(s) to display picture options
>
> In a message dated 12/7/2005 10:59:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> sarfatti@... writes:
>> Subj: Re: Whole Lot Of Disinforming Going On?
>> Date:12/7/2005 10:59:55 AM Eastern Standard Time
>> From:sarfatti@...
>> To:ANTIGRAY@...
>
>
> Ryan is coming to my office tomorrow. I did not know about his
> Werner connection. I knew Werner very well - story is in my book.
> Thanks for the heads up! Bill was on George Noory last night.
> Listen to the program on the WEB.
> On Dec 7, 2005, at 12:49 AM, ANTIGRAY@... wrote:
>
> Hi Jack,
> When Mr. Ryan comes to your office, ask him for Victor Martinez's
> contact information. Once we have that I can get him checked out
> and find out who he is and what his game is, just like I did with
> his doper buddy Dennis Myrtzyk. I'm surprised that Ryan did not
> background check Martinez before he went on the radio and spread
> the Serpo story. Maybe it is all an organized disinfo campaign run
> by useful and useless idiots.
> Art
> =====================
> Hi Jack,
> We can't forget Victor Martinez:
> What's wrong with this picture? LOL
> From serpo site:
>
> 1) Information released by Anonymous , exactly as originally
> posted. Some comments in [square brackets] were added by the
> moderator, Victor Martinez, and have been retained. Uncorrected
> typos have also been retained. Martinez, however, corrected many
> typos and grammatical errors before posting, and states that he has
> done some “cutting and pasting” of the information supplied
> directly to him by Anonymous ; therefore the information is not
> exactly as originally written. As more information becomes
> available, this section will be kept fully updated.
>
> Jack,
> Since Victor is an admitted communist agitator and drug user, why
> would any military insider give him highly classified information?
> Then why would he release it to professional physicists like
> yourself to help the American defense establishment? I smell a rat.
> Art
>
> Subj: Re: C2C
> Date: 12/7/2005 5:03:04 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From: ANTIGRAY
> To: sarfatti@...
>
> Right-click picture(s) to display picture options
>
> Subj: Re: C2C
> Date: 12/7/2005 11:04:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: sarfatti@...
> To: ANTIGRAY@...
>
> yes I missed part of it - fell asleep. Write up your commentary for
> the list.
> On Dec 7, 2005, at 12:11 AM, ANTIGRAY@... wrote:
>
>> Hi Jack,
>> Are you listening to the BS on C2C?
>> Art
>
> =================
> Hi Jack,
> If anybody wants to hear that C2C show, in most radio markets it is
> usually rerun just before the new Coast To Coast show for the day.
> Check the radio schedules in your area. You didn't miss anything by
> falling asleep except maybe some aggravation. I bet Victor Martinez
> and his cronies are laughing their asses off at George Noory, Bill
> Ryan, for being gullible enough to believe the material he gave
> them and for putting it on the air. It is a major coup for the
> disinformationalists. They are probably getting drunk and stoned in
> celebration right now: WE DID IT COMRADES. WE FOOLED THOSE AMERICAN
ASSCLOWNS.
> Rick Doty said there was a SIMILAR story that leaked out about 20
> years ago about an "exchange program." No details were ever
> released. Whether the current story of exchange was the same or
> just a made up coincidence could not be determined. Bill Ryan could
> only repeat the information found on the Serpo website. He could
> not elaborate on anything when asked because he said what's on the
> site was all the information he had to work with. He said Mr.
> Anonymous had promised to give Victor Martinez more of the story
> over the next few weeks. Victor and his cohorts are probably
> getting stoned as we speak for inspiration to write more. Does
> anyone really think that a retired military person in their right
> mind would hand over classified information to a degenerate
> admitted commie pothead like Victor Martinez? Victor should
> plagiarize some good science fiction so that the Serpo story
> installment reads better. No mentally competent ex-military person
> would write crappy amateurish reports like that.
> The military personnel supposedly sent to Serpo would have been top
> notch personnel, with a mission to observe and report what was on
> the alien planet. They would have all been trained to use a common
> military report format. Let's say they had to write a report about
> their observations as they tested an alien aircraft's capabilities
> on the planet Serpo as part of their mission to learn what we need
> to know. They would have written up what they observed in their
> respective disciplines along typical lines as follows as an example:
>
> What Characterizes a Good Report? A good report is clear, concise,
> well-organized, timely, and provides a complete and balanced
> assessment.
> Style. Clarity and brevity are critical. Avoid long-winded,
> rambling narratives. Make your point and get out. Avoid being
> "tutorial"—assume the reader has a technical background, but knows
> little or nothing about your particular article. Do not waste his
> or her time with general background about basic principles or
> information that is universally true of all systems of the type
> tested; keep your discussion focused on results related to the test
> item specifically. At the same time, since not all your readers are
> specifically aeronautical engineers, avoid the use of highly
> technical jargon (especially in the summary and evaluation sections
> of the report). Plain language will result in the least
> misunderstanding. This proscription does not apply to the
> Supporting Data sub-section, which is written for engineering
> personnel and can be as technical as necessary to make the point.
> Organization. Because of the varied backgrounds and interests of
> your readers, the organization of the report should be clear and
> hierarchical, allowing each reader to find the specific type of
> information he/she needs. Extremely detailed descriptions of system
> design, data, and problem analysis disrupt the flow and may be
> considered distractions by high-level managers who are more
> interested in the "bottom line." Consideration should be given to
> placing these data in appendices or publishing them in separate
> archival reports.
> Completeness. Ideally, the test team will report only on
> characteristics and conditions which influenced the test and on
> both expected and unexpected results. In this way, all information
> in the report will be both necessary and sufficient to document the
> study. The goal is to create a report from which the reader could
> re-create your test and attain the same results. The idea of
> sufficiency is clear enough, but the idea of necessity is more
> subtle. For example, when conducting a performance flight test,
> details of the engine and its installation (normally aspirated,
> turbo-charged, type of prop, etc.) are important. When conducting a
> handling-qualities flight test, however, engine information is far
> less critical. Thus, while the engine may be a turbo-charged, eight-
> cylinder engine driving a four-bladed prop, including this
> information in the handling qualities report is not necessary.
> Balance. A well-written report provides a balanced assessment of
> the test item. While it is recognized that favorable aspects of
> test system performance usually require less verbiage to relate
> than do deficiencies, the balance of good and bad news must be
> consistent with the overall assessment. Mixed messages are sent
> when a writer provides a single sentence reflecting an overall
> favorable evaluation, followed by endless pages of discussion of
> undesirable characteristics. Be fair, be neither an antagonist nor
> a protagonist of the system, be unemotional and be sure the
> collective weight of your writing leaves the reader with a correct
> and unambiguous impression of your message.
> Timeliness. Above all, reports must be timely to be effective. To
> meet reasonable deadlines, it is imperative that test teams draft
> as much of the report as possible prior to the start of tests and
> continue to update the report as the tests are conducted. Waiting
> for all tests to be completed before beginning to document the
> results not only makes the task overwhelming, it makes it unlikely
> that the report will be completed on time. Do not underestimate the
> time necessary for preparation of the report itself. If the data
> reduction is not complete by the 50% hack on your time-line, you're
> already behind schedule.
> ==========================
> I saw nothing professional in the Serpo report. It sounded like a
> stoner's vacation report.
> Art

> Posting by Anonymous (8 December, 2005)
> Victor: Yes, I did listen to the entire show. Never heard this guy
> George Noory before, but he seemed to be a very open-minded
> narrator and for that, me and my DIA colleagues were very pleased.
> The show caused a lot of buzzing in the halls of the DIA!
> Bill [Ryan] and Rick [Doty] both did an excellent job. I was hoping
> you [Victor Martinez] might just show up and add your own comments
> since you know more about me than anyone else as well as the
> program, but I guess that wasn't possible.
>
> I know CIA can't investigate what DIA is doing but they can pass on
> information about individual misconduct and illegal activities to
> the appropriate people.
> Art
> =====================
> In a message dated 12/9/2005 3:32:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> sarfatti@... writes:
>> Subj: Murad
>> Date:12/9/2005 3:32:33 AM Eastern Standard Time
>> From:sarfatti@...
>> To:ANTIGRAY@...
>
>> In a message dated 12/9/2005 2:57:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>> sarfatti@... writes:
>>> Subj: Re: Martinez Info
>>> Date:12/9/2005 2:57:49 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>> From:sarfatti@...
>>> To:ANTIGRAY@...
> ...
>
>> On Dec 8, 2005, at 11:48 PM, ANTIGRAY@... wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jack,
>>> Here's something else that is odd. On the Serpo site anonymous
>>> posted this to Victor:
>>> Posting by Anonymous (8 December, 2005)
>>
>
> Victor: Yes, I did listen to the entire show. Never heard this guy
> George Noory before, but he seemed to be a very open-minded
> narrator and for that, me and my DIA colleagues were very pleased.
> The show caused a lot of buzzing in the halls of the DIA!
>
> From Art: Can you check with any trusted DIA contact you have to
> see if people at DIA are really pleased. This sounds made up.
>
> Bill [Ryan] and Rick [Doty] both did an excellent job. I was hoping
> you [Victor Martinez] might just show up and add your own comments
> since you know more about me than anyone else as well as the
> program, but I guess that wasn't possible.
>
> From Art: Why would a commie stooge know so much about Mr.
> Anonymous and the exchange program. Oh yeah, I forgot, he is a
> commie spy too. LOL
>
> I called Mr. _____ this morning.
>
> [ EX U.S.G OFFICIAL WHO IS MANAGING THE CONTROLLED RELEASE OF
> "Project SERPO" FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION ]
>
> That's Kit Green.
>
> From Art: Why doesn't the "USG official" release all of his files
> to someonelike Bob Woodward if he wants it to get out for "public
> consumption." Releasing it to a commie useful idiot like Martinez
> who has no credibility would cast doubt on the authenticity of the
> work. I have enough info on the games that Martinez has been
> playing the last few months to totally discredit him. I've held off
> emailing info on him to Lisa Lyons at C2C so as to let this play
> out. I want to see the photos they are supposedly going to release.
> Art
> =========================
>
> In a message dated 12/9/2005 2:23:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> sarfatti@... writes:
> Subj: Re: Martinez Info
> Date:12/9/2005 2:23:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From:sarfatti@...
> To:ANTIGRAY@...
> Received from Internet:
>
> He never met Martinez. He is trying to find out more about him.
> Martinez is putting his own stuff into Anonymous. Ryan figured that
> out. So we really don't know the actual document's contents only a
> distorted version.
> On Dec 8, 2005, at 11:15 PM, ANTIGRAY@... wrote:
>
> Hi Jack,
> Did Bill Ryan give you any information on Victor Martinez, like
> address and phone number? Did Bill ever meet him in person?
>
> No
>> Did anyone follow Bill Ryan to your office?
>
> No
>> I just want to make sure this whole charade isn't just a
>> clandestine way for Martinez and his radical jerkoff friends to
>> track you down.
>
> Ryan is OK. British Bloke. I think MI6.
>
>> Thanks,
>> Art
>
> Victor shows his true colors (RED).
> Subj: Re: OUTRAGE: Guardsmen 'played cards' amid New Orleans chaos
> sez official!
> Date: 9/4/2005 11:14:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: victorgm@...
> To: ANTIGRAY@...
> CC: sarfatti@...
> Received from Internet: click here for more information
>
> ART,
> Well, you're right about that: I am EXTREMELY liberal -- a "leftie" as
> Sarfatti would call me -- and am PROUD of it. The great majority of my
> student's parents are liberal Demorcrats and, as you know, California
> voted overwhelmingly for Kerry, so I fit right in.
>
> As far as being a leftist agitator? You betcha! LOVE IT! -
>



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