This is from antigray.

What was posted here turned into gibberish in the translation but I
was able to copy and paste a good version. Enjoy.
Susan
Moderator, sftt2


Hi Group,
I watched the ABC special about UFOs last night. It was not much
different
from the original Peter Jennings UFO show in that it did not offer any
real
proof. So, here is the actual Roswell UFO crash and retrieval proof.
Art

Evidence has come to light showing the Roswell crash occurred, just as
Col.
Phil Corso stated. In 1947. At Roswell Army Air Field, General Ramey
posed for
a newspaper picture with a weather balloon that he claimed was what
had been
mistakenly identified as a flying saucer. He held a memo in his hand
in that
photograph. The memo contained information that contradicted the
weather balloon
story. That part of the photo was enlarged recently and analyzed.

The following is an article from "Filer's Files" on the Internet. It is
reprinted here with Mr. Filer's permission.

General Ramey Holding Memo:


http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns/photos/view/4ff8?b=1

NEW EVIDENCE FROM ROSWELL MESSAGE

Several groups of researchers are working to read the Roswell message.
Researcher Tom Carey provides the following data,

"The Roswell research team of Tom Carey and Don Schmitt continues to
break
new ground in their attempt to "decipher" the so-called "Ramey Memo."

In one of the July 8, 1947, photographs taken by Fort Worth Star Telegram
reporter/photographer, J. Bond Johnson, Gen. Roger M. Ramey can be
seen holding a
piece of paper with writing on it as he kneels by some obvious weather
balloon debris on the floor of his office. Several teams of
researchers, including
Carey and Schmitt, have attempted, by means of computer software
programs, to "
read" what is contained in what has become known as the "Ramey Memo."
Enlarged section of photograph shows memo:


http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/marssouthpolereturns/photos/view/4ff8?b=2

In July, with the support of the International UFO Museum and Research
Center
in ROSWELL, Carey and Schmitt made arrangements to have the original
negative
scanned by sophisticated techniques at the University of Texas
[Arlington]
Archives where it is kept. This was a one-time-only operation as
permitted by
the University of Texas. The result is, in essence, a new negative of the
original picture and not merely a photo of it.

This includes a number of non-UFO-related entities as well as several
well-respected Roswell-focused investigators who have attempted to
"read" the memo
before. One of these, respected Roswell researcher David Rudiak has
forwarded
his results to me, and they are gratifying to say the least. David
advises me
that the new scan helped to "clear up" some of the problem areas that
he had
previously been having trouble with.

Neil Morris from the University of Manchester in England with the Roswell
Photo Research Team plus Don Burleson have also provided their
interpretations of
the message.

Neil states, "In this comparison I have used my standard convention in
my `
take' of the message.

1) Capitals denote firm interpretation.

2) Lower space are educated guesses (they fit for spelling and syntax
but may
be incorrect)

3) "*" denote unknown letter,

4) My line format, is to the best I can conclude, correct to the grid
layout
of the typed text in the Ramey Message.

(M) - Neil Morris current "take". April 2000

(B) - Don Burleson's interpretation MUFON Journal March 2000. - ® - David
Rudiak September 2000.

This is a work in progress by dedicated researchers. Tom Carey
provides some
comments after each sentence:

Line 1. ???XXXX-XXX—X-XXXXXXXX XXX—XX-XXX XXXX
XXX—XX-X XX XXX
(M) reco VERY Was ROSWELl Head oIc giveN AS THE
(B) ECO—OPERATION WITH ROSWELL DISK 074 MJ— AT
THE ® NEAR OPERATION AT THE

[This probably refers to the one of the recovery operations. Remember, we
believe that there were at least two, possibly, three sites associated
with
whatever crashed at Roswell in 1947 - Tom]

Line 2.????XXX XXX XXX XXXXXXX XX XXX XXXXX XXX
XXXXXXXXX XX XXX
(M) [n]ext 4hS EXp VIctIMS of THE WRecK and CONVAy ON TO THE
(B) - THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE ® RAN)CH AND THE
VICTIMS
OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE

[This probably refers to the Foster Ranch or possibly another ranch as
well
as to the "victims" associated with the crash. We believe that there
were one,
possibly two, "victim" sites. And we know that they went to Ft. Worth
prior
to heading east. - Tom]

Line 3. ???XXX XX XXXX XXXXXX XXX.
(M) *** at FORT WORTH. Txe.
(B) TEAM AT FORT WORTH. TXE.
R) T)EAM AT FORT WORTH, TEXL
ine 4. ??XXXXXX XX XXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXX

(M) w**S** SOrTei *e**** thAT- ONUS raaF T&E A3**9* Landparty (B) —
SS— ON
THE "DISK" MUST- HAVE SENT -0- A-AM— A———
D
® THE "DISC" THEY will ship FOR A3-AS2 ARrived(.)

[Something in the disk - corpses? - was going to be shipped to Gen.
Ramey who
is identified as "A1". Again, we know this in fact happened. • Tom]

Line 5. ?XXXXX-XX XX XXXXXXXX -XXXXXXXXX
(M) SOught CRASHes *O**** are needed sITEone ** **s***** locate
(B) —— URGENT. POWERS ARE NEEDED SITETWO AT CARLSBAD, NMEX—
® BY B29-ST OR C47. WRIGHT AF ASSIST FLIGHTS AT ROSWELL. ASSURE

[Following on the previous line, we know that a set of bodies was
shipped to
Ft. Worth the following day - July 9th, 1947 - by B-29 special
transport ("ST"
). We also know that flights from Wright Patterson to and from Roswell
did in
fact take place - Tom]

6. ??XX-X-XXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXXXXXX
(M) MIDDAY 509# TOLD newspaPeR segment of STORY Adv
*
(B) ———SAFE TALK NEWSPAPER MEANING OF STORY AND—® THAT CIC-TEAM SAID THIS
MISTAKEN MEANING OF STORY AND THINK

[By this, it appears that the original press release of July 8th, 1947
stating that the RAAF had recovered a flying disk was a local mistake
perpetrated by
the CIC Team at Roswell, i.e., Sheridan Cavitt., rather than being
orchestrated from Washington - Tom]

Line 7. ?-XXXXXXX XXXX XXXX XXX XX-XX XXXXXXX

(M) LLY THrY EVEN PUT for AF WEATATN BALLOONS raDar WERE (B) ONLY SHOW BY
WEATHER BALLOONS 400-KW WAVE ® LATE TODAY NEXT SENT OUT PR OF WEATHER
BALLOONS
WOULD WORK

[This line talks about sending out the weather balloon press release
("PR"),
and that is would work better - see next line - Tom]

Line 8. ??-XXXX-X XXXX XXX XXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXX.

(M) And Land L*** denver ofww3
(B) — 9 AND LAND L— DENVER CREWS. ® BETTER IF THEY ADD LAND DEMO RAWIN
CREWS.

[if weather balloon demonstrations using Rawin targets were conducted.
These
in fact did take place as we can see in the July 10th Alamogordo News
and the
July 11th Fort Worth Star Telegram. - Tom]

Line 9. XXXXX-
(M) *
(B) TEMPLE ® RAMEY

Neil Morris writes,

"At the moment, the text seems to me to be more advisory i.e., a
report or
summery of the situation and seems to cover these main points.

1) It gives early warning "4hr" of "victims" being transferred to ? "at
Fort Worth".
2) It seems to say the "onus" of the search is/was placed on a
Technical and
Engineering unit and they are requesting further support possibly out
at a "
site one".

3) It informs that the 509th Bomb Group released some of the
information to
the media at noon that day,

4) It advises "adv" that "initially" the theory of the "weather
balloon's"
radar reflectors as being responsible had been suggested or given.

I personally get the impression this is info being given from a third
party
fully aware of what is going on and to what extent, they seem to have
a full
overview of the situation. From the way the 509th is referred to. I
don't think
this document originated there, but it does seem to have the feel of a
report
from "a forward command."

Thanks to Neil Morris (neil@...), David Rudiak, and Don
Burleson, for their continuing efforts in this area of Roswell research.

Editor's Note: Work continues on the General Ramey message probably
written
by him to higher headquarters.
<End Article>

The next day Filer's Files received the balance of the information
about the
memo.

Here it is:

NEW EVIDENCE ON ROSWELL CRASH

Tom Carey writes that a correction should be made on the message held in
General Ramey's hand in and photographed by J. Bond Johnson on July 8,
1947. Dave
Rudiak's line #4, which is a key line to the message, should read:

" **** S*S IN THE "DISK" THEY WILL SHIP FOR A1-8TH ARMY AF**"

The key phrase here is "in the disk" referring to something that was
inside
as well as to where it was being shipped to General Ramey who is the
A-1 at
Ft. Worth. What kind of balloon or radar target carries something inside?


Dave Rudiak is "absolutely certain" that the memo was addressed to
Gen. Hoyt
S. Vandenberg at the Pentagon who at the time was deputy chief of the
Army
Air Force. With the new scan, Rudiak was able to make out several
letters in
Vandenberg's name above Ramey's thumb which protrudes into the text of
the memo.


This ties in neatly with the following statement on page 57 of "THE TRUTH
ABOUT THE UFO CRASH AT ROSWELL" by Randle and Schmitt concerning General
Vandenberg:

"The Associated Press reported that Lieutenant General Hoyt S.
Vandenberg,
Deputy chief of the Army Air Forces (AAF), hurried to AAF press
section in
Washington to take active charge of the news about the find in New
Mexico."

The message is addressed,

To: Vandenburg

1)**************************************NEAR OPERATION AT THE
2) **RAN)CH AND THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO THE
3) ***T)EAM AT FORT WORTH, TEX.
4) *****S*S IN THE "DISK" THEY WILL SHIP FOR A1-8TH ARMYAF**
5) BY B29-ST OR C47. WRIGHT AF ASSIST FLIGHTS AT ROSWELL. ASSURE
6) THAT CIC-TEAM SAID THIS MISTAKEN MEANING OF STORY AND THINK
7) LATE TODAY NEXT SENT OUT PR OF WEATHER BALLOONS WOULD WORK
8) BETTER IF THEY ADD LAND DEMO RAWIN CREWS.

Signed Ramey

EDITORS NOTE: Again I wish to thank those research groups, Dave
Rudiak, Tom
Carey and Don Schmitt, Don Burleson, Neil Morris and the Roswell Photo
Interpretation Team that are making new evidence available to us.
Vandenberg was
Deputy Commander, US Army Air Forces in 1947. Later he became Chief of
Staff,
United States Air Force. A review of his official daily activities
calendar
revealed he returned from Wichita Falls, Texas on July 5, 1947, less
than a hundred
miles from Ft. Worth, Texas.

On Monday, July 7, General Vandenberg's Diary is full of UFO reports,
and he
spends most of the day taking care of a flying saucer recovery in
Houston,
Texas, an incident that he later claims was a hoax. One entry sticks
out. He
asked General Van what he thought the flying discs were and General
Van was quite
noncommittal. General Van said that "Some National Guard planes were
put on
duty on their own volition to search for the discs, but no planes have
been put
on duty from Hq. AAF." It is possible this was a simple code to remind
him of
the exact date for Roswell and where it was being shipped.

On Tuesday, July 8, Col. Blanchard announces to the world press a flying
saucer has been captured near Roswell, NM. Late afternoon J. Bond
Johnson takes
General Ramey's photograph in Fort Worth with a copy of the message
apparently
just sent to Vandenberg in his hand. Vandenberg's Diary reports he
returned
from Congressman Wolverton's office at 5:07 PM and went immediately to
Secretary
of the Army Air Force Mr. Symington's Office with reference to
personnel for
the President's Air Board.

At 6:20 PM went to Mr. Leo's office and then home. It is not known
what the
President's Air Board means and may refer to UFOs. He should have
received Ramey
's message by then or first thing Wednesday morning. On Wednesday,
July 9,
General Vandenberg's Diary reports he talked with General Doolittle on
the phone
and told him to come in at 10:30 AM. He met with Mr. Symington apparently
with Doolittle at 10:30. At 10:50 he met with General Eisenhower Army
Chief of
Staff, and General Norstad Psychological Operations. At 12:15 he met
again with
Mr. Symington.

At 12:15 Vandenberg is called by the White House and told to be there the
next day. His diary also says at 2:15 PM: Vandenberg returned from JCS
(Joint
Chief of Staffs) and met again with Symington.

At 3:40 he met with General Gardner, General Power and Col. Peterson.
He does
not mention handling the UFO situation but, General Doolittle is known to
have investigated UFO sightings in Sweden.

General Vandenberg's Diary indicates he meets with virtually all key
military
personnel in Washington DC and something very important was happening. It
should be noted that Vandenberg is concerned that the Air Force was
becoming a
separate service in a few weeks and he was attempting to obtain
funding for 70
Groups. Congress appeared to be cutting the Air Force to only 55 groups.
Publicizing the new possible threat from UFOs could help increase Air
Force funding.
The message stating that there were both victims of the wreck and
shipping a
disk speaks volumes.
<End Article>

More photos at:

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&
q=%E2%80%9CRamey%20Memo%E2%80%9D%20David%20Rudiak&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi