--Gevan, Just to be presice, I'm talking about a red and black pattern, as you probably have in some of your sheep, not a red or brown shine to the black color...
... Soays ... locus). ... (moorit). ... the ... I am still wondering about evidence for pheomelanin on the upper body of "dark phase wild pattern" (DPWP) Soay...
It was brought to my attention that Soay sheep were being discussed on this forum, so I just had to join. My name is Ronda, I live in the Pacific NW, and...
In most of the patterns, the black areas in patterned sheep are somewhat "weaker" than those in solid black sheep. So, you may be mislead by thinking that "all...
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Hi Phil, I have seen patterns in USA Soays that I have not seen in the UK, specifically black wild-type (mouflon) pattern, black with white markings on the...
Hi Kathy, Phil and the others following this discussion, I have always understood from "Island Survivors" and other scientific papers from the St. Kilda...
Hi Sue, What a great series of photos on giving birth!!! I have a small flock of Shetlands and have witnessed the same miracle of birth but never grow weary of...
Hi Sue, It's been a long time, hasn't it? :-) What I am talking about is a black animal with a white belly and rump patch, a true wild-type pattern, but in ...
I would like to ask if anyone has knowledge about fading spots. I have a sheep (expected to be a Finnsheep but there is no guarantee of that) which was born on...
Hi Riina This is not uncommon, though I can't give you their exact genotype from your datas. Anyway it's most likely the Ag that is "cooperating" with spotting...
-Hello listers, I think we might not use the same vocabulary here. Of course Soays may be both BbBb, B+Bb and B+B+ and also A+A+, A+Aa or AaAa (or change A+ to...
To continue the discussion... see comments and questions inserted below. Gevan Marrs In a message dated 12/5/2005 5:14:37 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ...
I looked at the web photos, and looked at every photo I could find in my book collection. I still don't think that the Soays are the wild type pattern. In the...
In Shetlands, the fading is caused by Ag, which is dominant to Aa, at least in Shetlands. I frequently get lambs spotted this way, in both black and brown. It...
Gail: I created a folder for my pictures, I included few of these if you can confirm are these similar to yuglets. I saw few photos in a net of yuglets but not...
-Gevan, Sorry to cause confusion by not being clear enough. I was talking about the fleece of black sheep.I agree with you that head and legs normally are...
Hi Phil, "wild-type colour pattern" is a term used by Doney, Ryder, Gunn and Grubb (1974) and is also used by Tim Clutton-Brock et. al. (2004) to describe...
The term "wild-type" as a genetic adjective has been in use for a long time. But it is problematic in the context of livestock breeds, as recent discussion ...
Phil- I really apreciate your willingness to dig into the evidence and see what you can spot relevant to our discussion. So I apologize if my questions below...
To my understanding you don't have different wild types in different breeds, you have different wild types in different species. It doesn't mean predominant or...
Phil, you once had a photo of a very black black and tan hair sheep. Was that the St. Croix? Are hair sheep generally black black and tan or more phaeomelanic...
Hello Everyone: I have been following along as best I can. I get confused though, as people use terms in different ways. Phil, I thought, earlier on in the...
A few answers, I hope. "Wild type" may not be best, but in sheep we have a REAL problem that "mouflon" in the older literature does NOT describe the color of a...
On 5th Dec. Phil said "I looked at the web photos, and looked at every photo I could find in my book collection. I still don't think that the Soays are the...
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