Thanks, Laurelen. I also did a search on one of the sponsor organizations,
their natural colored sheep breeders, found the website and e-mailed the
secretary.



Maggie, I have been keeping track, and so far have this list of interested
people. If you are not on it and would like to be, let me know.



World Congress Book Requests;

1)      Martha McGrath

2)      D. Phillip Sponenberg

3)     Dee Heinrich

4)      Maggie Howard

5)     Theresa Gygi

6)     Holly Shaltz

7)     Cyndee Wolfe

8)     CaraLeigh Wilson









Martha McGrath

Coopworth Sheep in WV    www.DeerRunSheepFarm.com
<http://www.deerrunsheepfarm.com/>

Click on the yellow button at www.thehungersite.com  and give a cup of food
to the hungry at no cost to you.





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Cynthia here, usually just a quiet listener.  I wanted to add my name to the
list...again if someone is taking a count.

Cynthia L. Caillagh-Allen
Firth of Fifth Acres  Wisconsin

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<tawandafarms53@...> wrote:
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> Hello Laurellen and everyone.
>
> I, too, am interested in purchasing the WC book.  If someone is tallying all
these orders up, please add my name.
> Margaret Howard
> Tawanda Farms
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Hello Laurellen and everyone.

I, too, am interested in purchasing the WC book.  If someone is tallying all
these orders up, please add my name.
Margaret Howard
Tawanda Farms

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The book was published by the committee for the 7th WCCS (world congress
for coloured sheep) in Brazil.  It may take Eduardo some time.  I do not know
how many copies they printed.  Give him a few weeks and then contact him
with how many people seem to be interested.

Laurelen


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<mailto:jabbourl@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%207th%20world%20congress%3F>
jabbourl@... - sounds like you have a copy. Do you have the publisher?
Perhaps we can purchase it that way, as I have still not had any response
from Eduardo.



Martha McGrath

Coopworth Sheep in WV    www.DeerRunSheepFarm.com
<http://www.deerrunsheepfarm.com/>

Click on the yellow button at www.thehungersite.com  and give a cup of food
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I would be interested in a book too.  ~CaraLeigh


On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:29 PM, dogs2sheep04 wrote:

> Martha,
> Count me  in as well for a book and one for the NASSA Library.
> Cyndee Wolfe
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:51 AM, Theresa Gygi wrote:
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>> Martha,
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>> I would be interested in a book. I'm sure there will be several
>> others so a
>> group rate would be great.
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>> Theresa Gygi
>>
>> Under The Son Farm
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>> Registered Shetland Sheep
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>> Greencastle, IN
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>> underthesonshetlands.blogspot.com
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Martha,
Count me  in as well for a book and one for the NASSA Library.
Cyndee Wolfe
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:51 AM, Theresa Gygi wrote:

> Martha,
>
> I would be interested in a book. I'm sure there will be several
> others so a
> group rate would be great.
>
> Theresa Gygi
>
> Under The Son Farm
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> Registered Shetland Sheep
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I'd like to order one as well - thanks for sending
the whole table of contents, that's more than I
hoped for!

Holly

Yes, the book is in English.

The articles are as follows.

1. Historical Overview
- The Indigenous livestock of Southern Africa

2. Sheep Breeds
- Some breed characters of Kemani sheep
- The Damara sheep of Southern Africa, & the Karakul sheep
- Retrieval of Crioula Lanada sheep in Brazil
- Phenotypic characterization of adult Crioula Lanada ewes reared in the
plateau of
    Santa Catarina preliminary data
- Brazilian hair sheep breeds:  origin, characteristics and their
economical and social
   importance

3.  Sheep Genetics and Improvement
- Colorimetric identification of brown in a sheep flock of South Australia
- The Damara of Southern Africa - an essay on the genetic variation within
the breed
- Shetland Modified Colour Breeding Program
- A look at the coat colour of Brazilian Crioula sheep

4 Sheep Production and Marketing
- Characterization of Kermani sheep production system in the Shahr e Babak
region
   of  Kerman  province (Iran)
- Production of naturally colored Corriedale sheep on a farm located in the
city of
   Dom Pedrito, RS
- Trading characterization of natural colored Corriedale sheep
- SEBRAE - Brazilian Micro and Small Business Support Service
- The upgrading of the traditional and endogenous territorial development:
wool and
   art craft

5.  Sheep Health and Disease
- Alternatives for Foot Rot control
- Intraocular pressure measurement in sheep using  applanation tonometer

6. Wool Handcraft
- Wool dyeing with natural dyes
- Retrieval and upgrading of the woolen handcraft of Jaguarao city through
event
   participation

7.  Market and Design on Coloured Wool
- Designing with Naturally Coloured Wool - Challenges and Rewards

8.Book Reviews
- The Damara of Southern Africa
- The Damara of Southern Africa


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aww, i am just happy to see an email from Eduardo! he is a wonderful person.
   don't worry if things don't go really quickly when dealing with
brazil...everything gets done very well eventually
karen

Crossfire Hill Corriedales
   http://www.angelfire.com/ky3/crossfirehillfarm/




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OK, Dee. I have 2 other requests for the book. I wrote to Eduardo, but have
not heard back.will let the list know.



Martha McGrath

Coopworth Sheep in WV    www.DeerRunSheepFarm.com
<http://www.deerrunsheepfarm.com/>

Click on the yellow button at www.thehungersite.com  and give a cup of food
to the hungry at no cost to you.





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Is the book in English?  And can someone give an
idea of the articles?  I'm particularly interested
in new research about genotypes as opposed to
phenotypes.

Holly

Martha,



I would be interested in a book.  I'm sure there will be several others so a
group rate would be great.



Theresa Gygi

Under The Son Farm

Registered Shetland Sheep

Greencastle, IN

underthesonshetlands.blogspot.com

undertheson.net





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If that's the case, then count me in!  I will be looking for it, myself, so
when we get the info, I'm in line!

Thanks!
Dee Heinrich

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Jim & Martha McGrath
<deerrun@...>wrote:

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>
> Thanks for giving me Eduardo's name.I was able to find his e-mail to me
> because of that. I have pasted it below in case anyone is interested. I
> wonder if we could do a bulk order to the US and get a discount?
>
>
> Martha McGrath
>
> Coopworth Sheep in WV
www.DeerRunSheepFarm.com<http://www.deerrunsheepfarm.com/>
> <http://www.deerrunsheepfarm.com/>
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> Click on the yellow button at www.thehungersite.com and give a cup of food
> to the hungry at no cost to you.
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> Thu 9/24/2009
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> Dear Martha,
>
> The book will be available on the website on few days. The price is US$
> 30,00 more shipping.
>
> My best wishes,
>
> Eduardo Amato Bernhard
> amato@... <amato%40cpovo.net> - ovitec@...<ovitec%40hotmail.com>
> F.: (51) 9986.0432
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Thanks for giving me Eduardo's name.I was able to find his e-mail to me
because of that. I have pasted it below in case anyone is interested. I
wonder if we could do a bulk order to the US and get a discount?



Martha McGrath

Coopworth Sheep in WV    www.DeerRunSheepFarm.com
<http://www.deerrunsheepfarm.com/>

Click on the yellow button at www.thehungersite.com  and give a cup of food
to the hungry at no cost to you.





Thu 9/24/2009

Dear Martha,



The book will be available on the website on few days. The price is US$
30,00 more shipping.



My best wishes,



Eduardo Amato Bernhard
amato@... - ovitec@...
F.: (51) 9986.0432





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Martha,

I am having problems to get the 7th World Congress site to come up
completely and can not get it up in English.  There is supposed to be a link to
order the proceeds book.

If not, contact Eduardo Amato-Bernard.  His e-mail address is on the site,
(when it comes up.)

If you wish to read about color, then I would suggest Dawie  du Toit's book
on The Damara of Southern Africa.  Sections by Dr. Phil Sponenberg and
Roger Lundie.  His web site is http://users.iafrica.com/m/mw/mwdatru

Laurelen


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Got my Black Sheep Newsletter today and there are articles on the congress
in Brazil, but no mention of a book. Does anyone know if there will be a
book of the proceeds of the 7th world congress? I had written to the contact
person from the website last summer, but have not heard back, and can't find
the e-mail. The website is still up, but has no real info.



Thanks,

Martha McGrath

Coopworth Sheep in WV    www.DeerRunSheepFarm.com
<http://www.deerrunsheepfarm.com/>

Click on the yellow button at www.thehungersite.com  and give a cup of food
to the hungry at no cost to you.





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We finally have set a date , We will be holding the collection on Jan 2nd,  2010
in New Castle IN. If you are interested in getting your bucks collected please
contact me to reserve your spot. Cost for this event is $120 for the first 30
straws and $3.50 a straw after wards. There is a 30 straw min. Also we have a no
freeze no fee policy.

Terry Barr
828-632-7752
barr5genetics@...

Hi Marie-

Fertility is a heritable trait, but only 5-10% according to the tables I
have seen.

See http://aces.nmsu.edu/sheep/selection_breeding/selection_breeding.html



  I remember a talk by a University professor at a "sheep meeting" where he
stated that with seasonal breeders, ewes are most fertile in October.



It is generally felt that the ram only influences the fertility of his
offspring, having nothing to do with the number of lambs produced by the ewe
he is bred to, since he produces millions of sperm when mated.though if he
has a fertility problem he could theoretically not produce enough viable
sperm to fertilize all eggs. I have also wondered if the ram could have a
gen for identical twins, causing the egg to split after fertilization.



Martha McGrath

Coopworth Sheep in WV    www.DeerRunSheepFarm.com
<http://www.deerrunsheepfarm.com/>

Click on the yellow button at www.thehungersite.com  and give a cup of food
to the hungry at no cost to you.



Marie in Kansas asked;

  Are you more likely to have twins or triplets if you put the ram in early
or late in the season. Does the ram have anything to do with twins or
triples?







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As a Finn breeder I can tell all of you that from 16 years of experience
that the birthtype of a Finn has no bearing on the multiple lamb factor.
Once in 730 lambs born here there was a single ewe lamb born from a twin
dam.  That ewe lamb was kept and joined my breeding group, then gave
triplets three times before I sold her.  As a rule, this breed can be
bred at 7 months age, then give twins at 12 months provided they are fed
plenty of excellent hay, and most will be maternal and capable dams.  I
have even had Finn ewes give triplets at 12 months with no issues.  An
important factor in considering which sheep to retain in building a good
flock is milking ability.  Ewes of any particular breed are not all
created equal.  Within my own flock most of the dams can successfully
suckle quads.
Of course , none of this information is applicable to other breeds.
Perhaps I am a bit biased toward the soft, lovely Finnsheep wool and the
gentleness of the rams.

Elizabeth H. Kinne Gossner
Stillmeadow Finnsheep
(315)852-3344






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i had a ewe, who gave nothing but twins, the daughters i kept would twin out ram
lambs, when they'd have ewes they were singles. i think genetics play the
biggest role, but overweight ewes seem to pop out twins just as much, even if
they don't run the gene.
nikyle in az.

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From: Marie <mgcaretakers@...>
Subject: [sheep-color-genetics] twins
To: sheep-color-genetics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 11:08 AM


Is twinning in sheep a genetic trait? If so, how often would a ewe or 'line'
have to twin.
Thanks
Marie in wet cold Kansas



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If I recall correctly, Finns have multiple births from years of selective
breeding.  If they are crossed to animals that do not have multiple births
each crossing will decrease the off springs ability to have multiple births.
Stating another way. A Finn sheep should have multiple offspring.  If a
sheep is 1/2 Finn it will have multiple offspring, but not as many as the full
Finn sheep.  A 1/4 Finn will have multiple offspring some years, and by the
time they are 1/8 Finn, I do not believe there is a difference to other
sheep.

There are a lot of things that contribute to sheep being able to have
twins, but keeping replacement ewes that are twins, increases your flocks
ability
to keep twining.  Lambs that are triplets also increase the multiple
births.

I had not heard of the Boorola gene before this year.  Since this is a
specific gene, the sheep has it or does not have it.  I do not think it acts as
an additive or subtractive effect as the Finn sheep or a flock that has been
bred for multiple births.

Hope this makes sense.  I fell like I am rambling.

Laurelen


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Thanks everyone! I am very interested in icelandics and on all the web sites, I
have seen that the lambing history is shown for ewes that are for sale. Most are
having twins. I have seen very little triples. Do most breeder keep these ewes?
I would think they would. Are the offspring of these ewes likely to have
triples? Are you more likely to have twins or triplets if you put the ram in
early or late in the season. Does the ram have anything to do with twins or
triples?
Marie in Kansas

Marie -In addition to the family tendency to twin, you also have to factor in
the fact that some breeds of sheep are more prone to multiple births (twins,
triplets, or even more, like Finn sheep, who have litters more or less).  Also,
in Merinos there is what is called the Boorola gene, which leads to multiple
births.  At one time we had a Merino/Dorset cross flock, and we used a Merino
who carried the gene as a breeder for the Dorset ewes.  It seems once the gene
gets into the family line it keeps on producing.  But eventually we switched to
Icelandics, which are prone to twins or more on a regular basis, so I can't
really tell you much from experience.  We just let those little lambs come as
they are - and most of the time we had twins, even with first-years. 

Catherine




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From: Marie <mgcaretakers@...>
To: sheep-color-genetics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 12:08:06 PM
Subject: [sheep-color-genetics] twins

Is twinning in sheep a genetic trait? If so, how often would a ewe or 'line'
have to twin.
Thanks
Marie in wet cold Kansas



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Hi, Marie -

We actually use the fact that a ewe will twin the first year (bred as a
lamb) as an indicator of higher fertility - or being a "twinner" - because
there are so many factors that do play into it.  As long as they are well
fed throughout gestation and lactation, we have had no negative effects (and
several positive) in exposing our ewe lambs during that first fall.

Dee

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Jennifer Kennedy <jytkennedy@...>wrote:

> It is genetic, but it's not a simple sort of thing, especially since a lot
> of other things (diet, time of breeding, etc) affect twinning as well. I
> think generally if a ewe produces twins most years, excluding the first if
> she is bred as a ewe lamb, she is considered a twinner.
>
> Jennifer Kennedy
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> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Marie <mgcaretakers@...> wrote:
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It is genetic, but it's not a simple sort of thing, especially since a lot
of other things (diet, time of breeding, etc) affect twinning as well. I
think generally if a ewe produces twins most years, excluding the first if
she is bred as a ewe lamb, she is considered a twinner.

Jennifer Kennedy

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Marie <mgcaretakers@...> wrote:

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> Is twinning in sheep a genetic trait? If so, how often would a ewe or
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> Thanks
> Marie in wet cold Kansas
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Is twinning in sheep a genetic trait? If so, how often would a ewe or 'line'
have to twin.
Thanks
Marie in wet cold Kansas

Jennifer - No, I don't think it's unique to the Scottish Blackface breed.  From
time to time we've had Icelandic lambs ( both ewe and ram) with VERY large horn
buds -- some that I would have classified as beginner horns more than buds --
and I hadn't thought about it until I read your post, but as I recall they were
on the larger lambs.  Usually this presented problems for the ewe during birth,
and she needed help easing the head out.  Sometimes they've broken or torn to
the point of severe bleeding as a part of the normal lamb head-butting thing,
and then if they grew back they were sometimes deformed. 

Catherine




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From: Jennifer Kennedy <jytkennedy@...>
To: sheep-color-genetics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 9:22:24 AM
Subject: Re: [SPAM][sheep-color-genetics] Re: Icelandic Sheep

>
> I have had similar problems with horn buds on Scottish Blackface lambs. Not
> only that, but the single ram lambs were so big that there were sometimes
> problems even after the head made it through. I'm not sure if this is
> typical of the breed, or just the particular animals I had. We've had
> Shetlands, and currently Jacobs, and those have been fine. The lambs are
> small, and the horn buds just barely present, even though the Jacobs end up
> with horns to rival the Scotty ones once they grow.
>

Jennifer Kennedy





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My worst was the same conditions except this tiny first time Shetland mom was
breech. No room to turn. I had to brace my feet against her but and pull with
all my might with her labor spasms but I could not get it out before it
suffocated. That was my first year as a shepherd. Thank heavens I have never had
another breech.

Kathy Kestner
Fair Hill Farm

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wrote:
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> Scottie ram lambs always seem to have more difficult births.  The ewes
> usually make it on their own, though I've helped a few.  The worst one we've
> had was a single Shetland ram delivered to a small, first time ewe.  He was
> stuck hard.  After many minutes of helping, I was convinced I was going to
> have to sacrifice him to save his dam.  He was finally delivered, she was
> sore for several says, but was a terrific mom and he was the largest of the
> Shetland rams that year.
>
> Franna Pitt
> Auburn, WA
> with Scottish Blackface, Shetlands and Gotlands, with a few Finns for fun
>

Scottie ram lambs always seem to have more difficult births.  The ewes
usually make it on their own, though I've helped a few.  The worst one we've
had was a single Shetland ram delivered to a small, first time ewe.  He was
stuck hard.  After many minutes of helping, I was convinced I was going to
have to sacrifice him to save his dam.  He was finally delivered, she was
sore for several says, but was a terrific mom and he was the largest of the
Shetland rams that year.

Franna Pitt
Auburn, WA
with Scottish Blackface, Shetlands and Gotlands, with a few Finns for fun