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#54193 From: "Adrian Drover" <ii-v-i@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:21 am
Subject: RE: Garriton playback 		adriandrover
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From: Anja & Philip
 
Don't despair yet. Here's the page on the NI site you need:
 
http://www.native-instruments.com/en/support/myaccount/
 
Button is on the bottom right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Thank you Philip.  Just tried it.  When entering my email address, it warns
me that I should be using alphanumerical characters, which I'm pretty sure
is what my email address consists of.  I give up!

A.

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#54194 From: Frank Wales <frank@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:23 pm
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Adrian Drover wrote:
  > When entering my email address, it warns
> me that I should be using alphanumerical characters, which I'm pretty sure
> is what my email address consists of.  I give up!

It could be your address is in their database, but now you'll never know,
since their web site programmers apparently think they know how to
validate an internet e-mail address, but actually they don't.

It's just as bad as when [a famous UK retailer]'s web site rejected any
e-mail address with more than one '.' to the right of the '@', although
less obviously stupid.

In fact, it's incredibly difficult to get e-mail address checking even
mostly right, since most programmers have apparently never read the
specifications for these things (including e-mail system programmers :-( ).

You could always, I dunno, phone them, perhaps?
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#54195 From: Nigel Stanley <nigel.stanley@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:42 pm
Subject: Re: Garriton playback 		nigel_stanleyuk
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2009/11/23 Frank Wales <frank@...>:
> Adrian Drover wrote:
>  > When entering my email address, it warns
>> me that I should be using alphanumerical characters, which I'm pretty sure
>> is what my email address consists of.  I give up!
>

What I think you should do is this:


1) Download the Kontakt 3 demo from the NI website. (this has now
replaced Kontakt Player - and the demo version works as a player.)

2) This (I think) also installs the service centre on your PC. (If not
it will prompt you to download it)

3) Use this to set up a new account. It will automatically know that
JABB is on your pc. As you know the
serial number you can then register it.

4) Then go back to using the SW1000 for most of your sounds as you
don't have to wait ages for them to load!


--
Nigel Stanley

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#54196 From: "Adrian Drover" <ii-v-i@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:26 pm
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Thanx everyone who has tried to help with this playback problem.  I wish I
understood how it all worked.  It seems to me that three different
organizations are involved; Sibelius, Native Instruments and Garriton, and I
still don't know which of these is the cause of the breakdown in playback.
I always thought that kontaktplayer2 was part of the Sibelius6 kit.  My
newly bought copy of jabb was working with Sib5 when I bought it.  I don't
remember ever having to register it or kontakt player and I don't know how
to register it now.  Jabb playback is not functioning now with Sib6 and I
have no idea why.  I'm the proud owner of a 130 quid investment that does
nothing.

A.

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#54197 From: Daniel Spreadbury <daniel.spreadbury@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:56 pm
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Adrian Drover wrote:
  > Thanx everyone who has tried to help with this playback problem.  I
wish I
  > understood how it all worked.  It seems to me that three different
  > organizations are involved; Sibelius, Native Instruments and
Garriton, and I
  > still don't know which of these is the cause of the breakdown in
playback.
  > I always thought that kontaktplayer2 was part of the Sibelius6 kit.  My
  > newly bought copy of jabb was working with Sib5 when I bought it.  I
don't
  > remember ever having to register it or kontakt player and I don't
know how
  > to register it now.  Jabb playback is not functioning now with Sib6 and I
  > have no idea why.  I'm the proud owner of a 130 quid investment that does
  > nothing.

Don't panic: I have done what you could have done a few days ago and
contacted our technical support team on your behalf, who have forwarded
your enquiry on to Native Instruments.  With a bit of luck you should
get a positive outcome from them in the next couple of days.

Please don't forget that this list is not an official avenue for
technical support for Sibelius, or indeed any other product.  If you
require technical help, please contact the appropriate technical help
email address for your region:

Australia: sibhelpAU@...
Japan: support-jp@...
North, Central & South America: sibhelpUSA@...
UK & all other countries: sibhelpUK@...

Daniel

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#54198 From: "Adrian Drover" <ii-v-i@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:25 pm
Subject: RE: Garriton playback 		adriandrover
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> From: Daniel Spreadbury
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> If you
> require technical help, please contact the appropriate technical help
> email address for your region:
>
> Australia: sibhelpAU@...
> Japan: support-jp@...
> North, Central & South America: sibhelpUSA@...
> UK & all other countries: sibhelpUK@...


Thanx, Daniel, and I would have done that, only in your previous message I
was led to believe that I had to deal directly with Native Instruments, with
which I have as yet had no positive communication or results.

A.

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#54199 From: Richard White <whitcopress@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: Playback Question (Tubular Bells) 		composerid
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On Nov 21, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Steve Farrell wrote:

Ì was much impressed by your work, Richard. Great stuff.
Steve

Many thanks, Steve

Richard White



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#54200 From: Richard White <whitcopress@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:48 pm
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On Nov 21, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Wallace DePue wrote:

 

Hi Richard!


What a marvelous score you have written for "The Hunchback..."! Your
orchestration is EXCELLENT and makes the silent film very moving.

Have a WONDERFUL Thanksgiving!

Walli

Hi Walli,

Your words of encouragement are greatly appreciated.

Richard White

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#54201 From: John Howell <John.Howell@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:15 pm
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At 9:04 AM +0000 11/23/09, Adrian Drover wrote:
>  > John Howell
>>
>>  And whatever most of the world agrees on for terminology, the Germans
>>  almost always have a different word for!
>
>
>Yes, "terminologie".

Actually that's French, isn't it?

John


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Virginia Tech Department of Music
College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
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#54202 From: "Adrian Drover" <ii-v-i@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:00 pm
Subject: RE: Trivia Questions 		adriandrover
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> From: John Howell
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> >>  And whatever most of the world agrees on for terminology, the Germans
> >>  almost always have a different word for!
> >
> >Yes, "terminologie".
>
> Actually that's French, isn't it?


Yes, and German, and Dutch, and Africaans.

A.

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#54203 From: Ron Cleave <ronbon@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:44 pm
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It's my impression that chimes are what I used to hit with a wooden hammer in high school orchestra.  Tubular bells have internal clappers... used by the the Mormon tabernacle choir.

Ron


On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Paul Clark wrote:

 

1. Why does "A" sound like a doorbell, and "B" is (at least for me)
associated with Christmas? (attached)

2. What's the difference between tubular bells and chimes?

Paul

<Bells.sib>



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#54204 From: dhbailey52 <dhbailey52@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:13 pm
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Ron Cleave wrote:
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>
> It's my impression that chimes are what I used to hit with a wooden
> hammer in high school orchestra.  Tubular bells have internal
> clappers... used by the the Mormon tabernacle choir.
>

Those are handbells, not tubular bells, the things with the
internal clappers.

There really is no difference between "chimes" and "tubular
bells" as far as orchestral/band percussion sections go.

--
David H. Bailey
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#54205 From: Ron Cleave <ronbon@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:47 pm
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Are you sure?  The ones I saw were tubular in shape (along with the regular bells).  Listening to the sounds of Miroslav Philharmonik  there is a distinct difference between the chimes and tubular bells.  Someone must think they are not the same.

Ron


On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:14 PM, dhbailey52 wrote:

Ron Cleave wrote:
> 
> 
> It's my impression that chimes are what I used to hit with a wooden 
> hammer in high school orchestra. Tubular bells have internal 
> clappers... used by the the Mormon tabernacle choir.
> 

Those are handbells, not tubular bells, the things with the 
internal clappers.

There really is no difference between "chimes" and "tubular 
bells" as far as orchestral/band percussion sections go.

-- 
David H. Bailey
dhbailey@davidbaileymusicstudio.com



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#54206 From: John Howell <John.Howell@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:42 am
Subject: Re: Trivia Questions 		John.Howell@...
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At 12:45 PM -0800 11/23/09, Ron Cleave wrote:
>Are you sure? The ones I saw were tubular in shape (along with the
>regular bells). Listening to the sounds of Miroslav Philharmonik
>there is a distinct difference between the chimes and tubular bells.
>Someone must think they are not the same.

I think there are some sets of handbells that may be tubular in cross
sections simply because they are considerably less expensive to
manufacture than cast bells are.  But they are not considered serious
professional instruments even by handbell ringers, and they are NOT
by any stretch what a composer might have in mind when s/he specifies
"tubular bells."

John


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Virginia Tech Department of Music
College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
Vox (540) 231-8411  Fax (540) 231-5034
(mailto:John.Howell@...)
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#54207 From: "Adrian Drover" <ii-v-i@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:02 am
Subject: RE: Trivia Questions 		adriandrover
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> From: John Howell
>
> But they are not considered serious
> professional instruments even by handbell ringers,


There are professional hand-bell ringers?

A.

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#54208 From: Stephen Currington <steve@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:14 am
Subject: Re: Trivia Questions 		s_currington
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On 24/11/2009, at 9:02 PM, Adrian Drover wrote:

>
>
>> From: John Howell
>>
>> But they are not considered serious
>> professional instruments even by handbell ringers,
>
>
> There are professional hand-bell ringers?
>
> A.
>
>


Yeah a real bunch of ding-a-lings

S.

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#54209 From: "Tim Smith" <timsmithmusic@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:43 am
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There are traditional handbells...
 
 
... at £6000 to £14000 for two chromatic octaves.
 
There are Suzuki Tone Chimes...
 
 
... at £799 for two chromatic octaves. They are tubular in construction.
 
There are bell plates...
 
 
at £633 for two chromatic octaves.
 
The last two are designed to be lower cost alternatives to traditional handbells, played in a similar manner with interchangeable repertoire.
 
Any instrument making a bell sound and manufactured from a tubular material is logically a tubular bell. However the orchestral instrument also known as Chimes are called Tubular Bells...
 
 
... and are what Mike Oldfield used in his 1973 album Tubular Bells...
 
 
Tim
 
 

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#54210 From: "Cat >^..^< Jefferson" <oneqtcat@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:49 am
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> There are professional hand-bell ringers?
>
> A.
>
>

>Yeah a real bunch of ding-a-lings

 
It truly takes a toll on you to listen to them.
C.

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#54211 From: Stephen Currington <steve@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:03 pm
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Then what about the Gamelan?  
Hmm maybe I have dropped a clanger there as I guess they are really Gongs or something (as well as Metalophones)   
But some sure look like Bells to me.. Those upturned ones (kenog, kethuk, bonang, kempyang) that you hit...



S.


On 24/11/2009, at 10:43 PM, Tim Smith wrote:



There are traditional handbells...
 
 
... at £6000 to £14000 for two chromatic octaves.
 
There are Suzuki Tone Chimes...
 
 
... at £799 for two chromatic octaves. They are tubular in construction.
 
There are bell plates...
 
 
at £633 for two chromatic octaves.
 
The last two are designed to be lower cost alternatives to traditional handbells, played in a similar manner with interchangeable repertoire.
 
Any instrument making a bell sound and manufactured from a tubular material is logically a tubular bell. However the orchestral instrument also known as Chimes are called Tubular Bells...
 
 
... and are what Mike Oldfield used in his 1973 album Tubular Bells...
 
Take a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwctZz6wwT0&feature=related from about 2 minutes.
 
Tim
 
 




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#54212 From: John Howell <John.Howell@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:25 pm
Subject: RE: Trivia Questions 		John.Howell@...
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At 8:02 AM +0000 11/24/09, Adrian Drover wrote:
>  > From: John Howell
>>
>>  But they are not considered serious
>>  professional instruments even by handbell ringers,
>
>
>There are professional hand-bell ringers?

Please note the placement of my adjective!  There are some pretty
darned good ones, of course, but like any extremely specialized
field, there are also those who are equipment fanatics.  Bass
trombonists included!

John


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Virginia Tech Department of Music
College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
Vox (540) 231-8411  Fax (540) 231-5034
(mailto:John.Howell@...)
http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html

"We never play anything the same way once."  Shelly Manne's definition
of jazz musicians.

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#54213 From: John Howell <John.Howell@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:12 pm
Subject: RE: Trivia Questions 		John.Howell@...
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At 9:43 AM +0000 11/24/09, Tim Smith wrote:
There are traditional handbells...
 
http://www.whitechapelbellfoundry.co.uk/hand.htm
 
... at £6000 to £14000 for two chromatic octaves.

Yes, and these are the Real Deal.  About 30 years ago my wife and I ordered a set of 10 medieval tuned cup bells (the kind often shown in medieval art), diatonic c' through d'' plus a Bb', from Whitechapel.  It's kind of scary, but most impressive, to get confirmation on a letterhead that reads, "Whitechapel Bell Foundry: Founded 1570"!!!!!!!!

The distinctive sound of the cup bells comes from the fact that certain of the overtones are NOT tuned, but the ring-tone is very clear and centered in pitch.  They were never intended to be played in chordal music.

The one mistake I made was asking that they be tuned to a scale of C=64 hz with pure intervals.  That means that they are slightly flat to modern equal-tempered instruments at A=440, but by themselves they sound really glorious.  And just last summer I tracked down medium-small rawhide mallets which should be perfect; the strikers supplied by Whitechapel were unsatisfactory.  A local luthier made a bell rack for me that holds the entire set--a true "bell tree"!

 
There are Suzuki Tone Chimes...
 
http://www.suzukimusic.com/education/tonechimes/

... which interestingly enough are NOT tubular, but extruded in a rectangular shape with rounded edges.  And of course we should all be aware of the difference in tone between alumin(i)um and true bell alloys.

 
... at £799 for two chromatic octaves. They are tubular in construction.
 
There are bell plates...
 
http://www.belleplates.com/

... also aluminum.  At least they have sound clips, and the sound is very pure, very sine wave without prominent overtones, which makes chordal playing sound quite nice.  But NOT the sound of traditional cast bells!  However, in a pinch it looks like they could be used to flip hamburgers!

Don't get me wrong, these inexpensive substitutes can be very pretty and very effective, but they are no more cast bells than an electric piano is a real piano.  (And don't get Luddy started!!!)

Any instrument making a bell sound and manufactured from a tubular material is logically a tubular bell. However the orchestral instrument also known as Chimes are called Tubular Bells...

Exactly.  Note that musical terminology as generally accepted owes much more to tradition than to logic, and the neologisms (otherwise known as Brand Names) often have neither.

John


--
John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music
Virginia Tech Department of Music
College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
Vox (540) 231-8411  Fax (540) 231-5034
(mailto:John.Howell@...)
http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html

"We never play anything the same way once."  Shelly Manne's definition
of jazz musicians.

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#54214 From: "Tim Smith" <timsmithmusic@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:24 pm
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And the church where I play the organ has bells made by those youngsters at Whitechapel - we celebrate the 916th anniversary of our foundation by Saint Anselm in 1094 on January 10th!
 
Tim

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At 9:43 AM +0000 11/24/09, Tim Smith wrote:
There are traditional handbells...
 
http://www.whitechapelbellfoundry.co.uk/hand.htm
 
... at £6000 to £14000 for two chromatic octaves.

Yes, and these are the Real Deal.  About 30 years ago my wife and I ordered a set of 10 medieval tuned cup bells (the kind often shown in medieval art), diatonic c' through d'' plus a Bb', from Whitechapel.  It's kind of scary, but most impressive, to get confirmation on a letterhead that reads, "Whitechapel Bell Foundry: Founded 1570"!!!!!!!!

The distinctive sound of the cup bells comes from the fact that certain of the overtones are NOT tuned, but the ring-tone is very clear and centered in pitch.  They were never intended to be played in chordal music.

The one mistake I made was asking that they be tuned to a scale of C=64 hz with pure intervals.  That means that they are slightly flat to modern equal-tempered instruments at A=440, but by themselves they sound really glorious.  And just last summer I tracked down medium-small rawhide mallets which should be perfect; the strikers supplied by Whitechapel were unsatisfactory.  A local luthier made a bell rack for me that holds the entire set--a true "bell tree"!

 
There are Suzuki Tone Chimes...
 
http://www.suzukimusic.com/education/tonechimes/

... which interestingly enough are NOT tubular, but extruded in a rectangular shape with rounded edges.  And of course we should all be aware of the difference in tone between alumin(i)um and true bell alloys.

 
... at £799 for two chromatic octaves. They are tubular in construction.
 
There are bell plates...
 
http://www.belleplates.com/

... also aluminum.  At least they have sound clips, and the sound is very pure, very sine wave without prominent overtones, which makes chordal playing sound quite nice.  But NOT the sound of traditional cast bells!  However, in a pinch it looks like they could be used to flip hamburgers!

Don't get me wrong, these inexpensive substitutes can be very pretty and very effective, but they are no more cast bells than an electric piano is a real piano.  (And don't get Luddy started!!!)

Any instrument making a bell sound and manufactured from a tubular material is logically a tubular bell. However the orchestral instrument also known as Chimes are called Tubular Bells...

Exactly.  Note that musical terminology as generally accepted owes much more to tradition than to logic, and the neologisms (otherwise known as Brand Names) often have neither.

John


--
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Virginia Tech Department of Music
College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
Vox (540) 231-8411  Fax (540) 231-5034
(mailto:John.Howell@vt.edu)
http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html

"We never play anything the same way once."  Shelly Manne's definition
of jazz musicians.

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#54215 From: "Adrian Drover" <ii-v-i@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:27 pm
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> From: John Howell
>
> >>  But they are not considered serious
> >>  professional instruments even by handbell ringers,
> >
> >There are professional hand-bell ringers?
>
> Please note the placement of my adjective!


So how does an instrument go pro?  Do you mean professionally played or
professionally made?  I'm confused, John, but then I often am.

A.

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#54216 From: Stephen Currington <steve@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:03 pm
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On 25/11/2009, at 9:27 AM, Adrian Drover wrote:

>
>
>> From: John Howell
>>
>>>> But they are not considered serious
>>>> professional instruments even by handbell ringers,
>>>
>>> There are professional hand-bell ringers?
>>
>> Please note the placement of my adjective!
>
>
> So how does an instrument go pro?  Do you mean professionally played or
> professionally made?  I'm confused, John, but then I often am.
>
> A.
>

BTW.. Adrian   --  what do you call a group of Scottish Bell Ringers?

ha ha Ha ..          A Clang!!!


S.

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#54217 From: Paul Clark <pclark@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:19 pm
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On Nov 24, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Stephen Currington wrote:

>
> On 25/11/2009, at 9:27 AM, Adrian Drover wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> From: John Howell
>>>
>>>>> But they are not considered serious
>>>>> professional instruments even by handbell ringers,
>>>>
>>>> There are professional hand-bell ringers?
>>>
>>> Please note the placement of my adjective!
>>
>>
>> So how does an instrument go pro?  Do you mean professionally
>> played or
>> professionally made?  I'm confused, John, but then I often am.
>>
>> A.
>>
>
> BTW.. Adrian   --  what do you call a group of Scottish Bell Ringers?
>
> ha ha Ha ..          A Clang!!!

You're getting dingy, Stephen.

Paul

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#54218 From: Stephen Currington <steve@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:27 pm
Subject: Re: Trivia Questions 		s_currington
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On 25/11/2009, at 12:19 PM, Paul Clark wrote:

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> On Nov 24, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Stephen Currington wrote:
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>>
>> On 25/11/2009, at 9:27 AM, Adrian Drover wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>>> From: John Howell
>>>>
>>>>>> But they are not considered serious
>>>>>> professional instruments even by handbell ringers,
>>>>>
>>>>> There are professional hand-bell ringers?
>>>>
>>>> Please note the placement of my adjective!
>>>
>>>
>>> So how does an instrument go pro?  Do you mean professionally
>>> played or
>>> professionally made?  I'm confused, John, but then I often am.
>>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>
>> BTW.. Adrian   --  what do you call a group of Scottish Bell Ringers?
>>
>> ha ha Ha ..          A Clang!!!
>
> You're getting dingy, Stephen.
>
> Paul


No that is an Australian group of bell Ringers..     -   A Dingo

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#54219 From: "Adrian Drover" <ii-v-i@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:34 am
Subject: RE: Trivia Questions 		adriandrover
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> From: Stephen Currington
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> No that is an Australian group of bell Ringers..     -   A Dingo


Sounds like a dog day experience.

A.

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#54220 From: "Steve Curringotn" <steve@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:15 am
Subject: RE: Trivia Questions 		s_currington
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-----Original Message-----
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> From: Stephen Currington
>
> No that is an Australian group of bell Ringers..     -   A Dingo


Sounds like a dog day experience.

A.

Barkin Mad.

S.

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#54221 From: "Ramy Moustafa" <moshtaqlealganna@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:42 am
Subject: Piano scales 		twta82
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hi all:

I don't have a book for piano scales,
I need to find free book  for all the piano scales with there finger
numbers.
or if not, how can I write them in sibelius?

Thanks
Cheers
Ramy Moustafa

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#54222 From: Daniel Spreadbury <daniel.spreadbury@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:42 am
Subject: Re: Piano scales 		daniel_sprea...
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Ramy Moustafa wrote:
  > or if not, how can I write them in sibelius?

Try Plug-ins > Other > Scales and Arpeggios.

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