----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Durling

To: sibelius-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 2:47 AM

Subject: Re: [sibelius-list] Igor?

On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 11:33:48 +1000 (AUS Eastern Standard Time), you
wrote:

>From: Valery Beluntsov
>
>
>
>>Valery:
>
>
>
>>Send me your address BC and I will send you a disk.
>
>
>
>T>ed Peterson
>
>>Music Solutions Consultant, Noteheads, USA
>
>
>
>
>
>I don't know how you people have the gall to use your opposition's list to
>further your own ends. Just go away Ted from Noteheads. If this is typical
>of Noteheads business ethis, then I, for one, do not want to know Igor.

Second.


Ken

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On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 11:33:48 +1000 (AUS Eastern Standard Time), you
wrote:

>From: Valery Beluntsov
>
>
>
>>Valery:
>
>
>
>>Send me your address BC and I will send you a disk.
>
>
>
>T>ed Peterson
>
>>Music Solutions Consultant, Noteheads, USA
>
>
>
>
>
>I don't know how you people have the gall to use your opposition's list to
>further your own ends. Just go away Ted from Noteheads. If this is typical
>of Noteheads business ethis, then I, for one, do not want to know Igor.

Second.


Ken

VB> I managed to run it under WinME. Well, until it crashes it works
VB> almost fine. I just printed my piece in Igor (for initial testing it
VB> needs to try program in real work, IMHO). The best thing is the "Input
VB> Mode", when you may input from computer keyboard together with notes a
VB> lot of other things --- articulation, dynamics etc. It's comfortable
VB> --- e.g. working in Finale I hated to input text separately: first
VB> notes, then text dynamics, then slurs and hairpins, then articulation
VB> etc.  This problem is also semi-solved in Sibelius, where you can put
VB> articulation together with notes and there is very easy way to put
VB> slurs and hairpins.
VB> Another good thing that impressed me in Igor --- inputting pickup bars
VB> and other irregular bars. (Sib here controls you too much.) Also
VB> tuplets are comfortable to input. A small disappointment --- I could
VB> not put double barline in the middle of bar (Sib allows it easily).

VB> However, the program has a lot of bugs. There are some small bugs,
VB> e.g. when I go to articulation mode for inputting "upper commas"
VB> (auftakten), vertical scrollbar suddenly disappears. But there are
VB> many huge BUGS that lead program to crash. In such cases you lose a
VB> part of your work. The worst moment was the following: sometimes it
VB> seems to wark properly but when I tried to close program I faced LISP
VB> failure or system exception; after that I couldn't the last version of
VB> my score, I got the same crash. Therefore while working on my piece I
VB> always used "Save as" instead of "Save" for to have some backups in
VB> case of program crash.

VB> For me the main criteria of program quality is how the printout looks.
VB> (I even wrote some articles on this topic in Russian computer
VB> magazines.) Looking at the Igor's printout I found out that it looks
VB> very well. Its quality is almost like a Sib's one (but Sib prints a
VB> little bit better). So if the program had less bugs I would be ready to
VB> use it (as I said before, the way to input scores is very
VB> comfortable).

VB> Big problem is that program crashes every time I try to input russian
VB> letters. In such a case I get a message of LISP failure where all
VB> possible char codes are enumerated. I think it's easy for developers
VB> to solve this --- it's enough to add more codes into "allowed" list.

And another big problem is that Igor does not run under Win2000. The
LISP Failure (which I wrote about) is gone, but after appearing of piece
window the system exception immediately causes ...




Best regards,
  Valery
Почта - mailto:leh@...
Домашняя страничка - http://musica.da.ru
Проект "MIDI-архив русской фортепианной музыки ХХ века" -
        http://www.mmv.ru/p/rusmodern
Проект "Официальный сайт Ассоциации электронной музыки" -
        http://ea.inion.ru
UIN: 10727516

ADL> At 10:30 AM 08/11/01 +0200,Alain wrote:
>>>The program does run and quite good actually.

>>But not on my standard machine with oodles of memory (390 meg) and stacks
>>>of disc space (15 gig spare) and ample speed (500M)
>>I'm sorry, the engine on this car breaks down every so often... but it
>>really is the best thing since sliced bread.

I managed to run it under WinME. Well, until it crashes it works
almost fine. I just printed my piece in Igor (for initial testing it
needs to try program in real work, IMHO). The best thing is the "Input
Mode", when you may input from computer keyboard together with notes a
lot of other things --- articulation, dynamics etc. It's comfortable
--- e.g. working in Finale I hated to input text separately: first
notes, then text dynamics, then slurs and hairpins, then articulation
etc.  This problem is also semi-solved in Sibelius, where you can put
articulation together with notes and there is very easy way to put
slurs and hairpins.
Another good thing that impressed me in Igor --- inputting pickup bars
and other irregular bars. (Sib here controls you too much.) Also
tuplets are comfortable to input. A small disappointment --- I could
not put double barline in the middle of bar (Sib allows it easily).

However, the program has a lot of bugs. There are some small bugs,
e.g. when I go to articulation mode for inputting "upper commas"
(auftakten), vertical scrollbar suddenly disappears. But there are
many huge BUGS that lead program to crash. In such cases you lose a
part of your work. The worst moment was the following: sometimes it
seems to wark properly but when I tried to close program I faced LISP
failure or system exception; after that I couldn't the last version of
my score, I got the same crash. Therefore while working on my piece I
always used "Save as" instead of "Save" for to have some backups in
case of program crash.

For me the main criteria of program quality is how the printout looks.
(I even wrote some articles on this topic in Russian computer
magazines.) Looking at the Igor's printout I found out that it looks
very well. Its quality is almost like a Sib's one (but Sib prints a
little bit better). So if the program had less bugs I would be ready to
use it (as I said before, the way to input scores is very
comfortable).

Big problem is that program crashes every time I try to input russian
letters. In such a case I get a message of LISP failure where all
possible char codes are enumerated. I think it's easy for developers
to solve this --- it's enough to add more codes into "allowed" list.



Best regards,
  Valery
Почта - mailto:leh@...
Домашняя страничка - http://musica.da.ru
Проект "MIDI-архив русской фортепианной музыки ХХ века" -
        http://www.mmv.ru/p/rusmodern
Проект "Официальный сайт Ассоциации электронной музыки" -
        http://ea.inion.ru
UIN: 10727516

-----Original Message-----
From: Valery Beluntsov

Valery:

Send me your address BC and I will send you a disk.

Ted Peterson
Music Solutions Consultant, Noteheads, USA

exindigo@...
ted.peterson@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Tate

>But not on my standard machine with oodles of memory (390 meg) and stacks
>of disc space (15 gig spare) and ample speed (500M)

The original PC installer used a CODEC that is not available to most users
in the U.S.  Go out and download the
latest .ZIP.  I have just gotten an email from a PC user who is running it
on:

Hi Ted -

I just downloaded Igor 1.5 and it actually runs on my lowly 64 meg 22 mhz
system.  I don't know how well it runs yet.  But I'll find out.
>
>>Because of the initial problems they have extended the 95 USD period to
>>August 20.
>
>Big deal if the solution comes after that date. I received no
>confirmationto a direct question about this.

This deal will be extended longer than the original period.  After you get
it installed, check for patches.  The priority at Noteheads was to get the
PC version out as fast as possible.  You must remember that the original
business plan was to give the software away.  The realities of development
time and the complexity of the program made this an impossibility.  The
potential for Igor is tremendous.  The patch technology is without peer.
The keyboard music entry is way ahead of Finale and Sibelius.  Midi import
and export are 2+ years ahead of anything Finale or Sibelius are doing.
However for MIDI keyboard input, they are way behind.  Real-Time midi just
doesn't work and even step time input can be problematic.  Now that the PC
version is out and new programmers are being added to the programming staff,
development will occur much faster.

The beauty of patch technology is that a request can be implemented and
patched relatively fast.

>We are on the Sibelius list at the moment indulging in looking for
>something superior to Sibelius.  Sibelius has proven to MANY delightful and
>useful improvements over both Mosaic and Finale.... so that statement
>doesn't cut a lot of ice... it DOES however give an indication of
>possibilities.

Yes, the Sibelius front end and basic formatting is easier to use.  However,
it is rather restrictive.  There are work arounds but these require
procedures as complex as any in Finale.  Many parts of Sibelius are not
found in logical places and the documentation is a disaster.  At least the
online Finale documentation is associated with the product so that you can
branch to the documentation while looking for information about a feature.
>
>
>Before I retired my job, over the last 15 odd years, consisted on
>purchasing, installing, running, learning, using and then teaching over 700
>different programs and versions of programs on three different
>platforms.   I have immense patience with certain manufacturers who produce
>good honest software where it can be seen that it is 'deep down' useful,
>where the team are obviously sincere in their attempts to help (their JOBS
>depend on a successful program!!) and where the customer is made to feel
>that they are honest and desirous of helping.

You must have been through a lot of bogus software and you must have hit
some successes.  However, it is obvious to me that you are unhappy with
Sibelius and are looking for another solution.  Igor can be that solution,
you hope.  So I would email them and sign up as a beta tester.  The company
is young and still growing.  The ecommerce model they pioneered and the
Noteheads community is just starting to grow.  With their new emphasis on
product development, you can have a hand in shaping the product.

  >This program has been
>shouted about for a couple of years, with statements indicating that it is
>the most fabulous thing since the big bang and that Windows version is
>available... well almost etc.

The only people shouting have been the people unhappy with the other
products.  As far as basic computer keyboard entry, it is the most fabulous
thing since the big bang. (24 hour stock market trading, I mean.)
>
>Do I wait??? yes, I have this naive feeling that there is gold at the end
>of rainbows.  However, I bear the scars of other companies from which I
>still hear the ghostly cries of "we will have this solved in the next
>version for which you have to PAY)

Again, get involved with the Noteheads community and become a beta tester.
Sibelius has about 300 beta testers and about 5% actually do any testing and
reporting.  You have a good chance of being heard still at Noteheads
>

Ted Peterson
Music Solutions Consultant
Noteheads USA
exindigo@...

(805) 534-9605

At 10:30 AM 08/11/01 +0200,Alain wrote:
>>The program does run and quite good actually.

>But not on my standard machine with oodles of memory (390 meg) and stacks
>>of disc space (15 gig spare) and ample speed (500M)
>I'm sorry, the engine on this car breaks down every so often... but it
>really is the best thing since sliced bread.

I managed to get about 15 pages of music done  in two days.

However I agree it has still a lot of bugs,many (not all) of which have
already been resolved with patches.
Anyway I have the impression that the appreciation of Igor is a matter of
believers and non-believers.
I obviously am a believer and this is because I was mainly impressed by the
architecture of the program,and this made me look beyond the  flaws.
Off course only time can tell if the program will outgrow it's child
diseases. I'm confident it will,but then again I'm a believer.
Many will disagree with me.
One thing is for sure,they're working very hard at it.

>We are on the Sibelius list at the moment indulging in looking for
<something superior to Sibelius.  Sibelius has proven to MANY delightful and
<useful improvements over both Mosaic and Finale

I could be wrong off course but I have the impression that here in Belgium
Sibelius didn't really break through,most musicians I know use Finale
,mainly out of habit and many of them are willing to work with another
program but think that the financial threshold for buying Sibelius is too
high.
I think Sibelius is a very good program ,although it has it's flaws too, I
really took a lot of time to study the demo and evaluate it,but just to
expensive for me.


>Do I wait??? yes, I have this naive feeling that there is gold at the end
<of rainbows.

Perhaps there is.
l'Imagination au pouvoir. :-)

Alain


www.noteheads.net/alain

At 10:30 AM 08/11/01 +0200,Alain wrote:
>The program does run and quite good actually.

But not on my standard machine with oodles of memory (390 meg) and stacks
of disc space (15 gig spare) and ample speed (500M)

>You do need to go to File<check for patches,and you can download a bunch of
>patches to improve performance.

The patches are no good if the program does not get past the first screen
and the tech people say "We will try to have this problem solved as soon as
possible. We apologise for the inconvenience and hope that you will
eventually find Igor worth it."

  >>It isn't crash free yet,but I'm sure it soon will be.

I'm sorry, the engine on this car breaks down every so often... but it
really is the best thing since sliced bread.

>It has the bugs that every new program has,and as you know no Windows PC is
>alike,so different PC s give different programs.

I assume 'problems"?    This is absolutely true and I agree.

>Because of the initial problems they have extended the 95 USD period to
>August 20.

Big deal if the solution comes after that date. I received no
confirmationto a direct question about this.

>The Mac users,who are about a year ahead of the Windows version are most
>pleased with it.

Mac and IBM are two different kettles of fish.. What works as an interface
well with one may seem awkward to the other ... that is just an aside.


>I quote one of them:
>
>"I have worked with the MAC-version of Igor since it was released as a
>light-version. So I can say I have worked with it roughly since may -2000.
>It is the most superior notation programme on the market if you consider
>itґs price and itґs playback-possibilities. It still have a lot to improve
>regarding layouts etc... but the greatest thing is the note-input caret. I
>have worked with Mosaic, Finale, (..the latest version e.g. 2001) and
>nothing is like Igor.

We are on the Sibelius list at the moment indulging in looking for
something superior to Sibelius.  Sibelius has proven to MANY delightful and
useful improvements over both Mosaic and Finale.... so that statement
doesn't cut a lot of ice... it DOES however give an indication of
possibilities.

>So be patient and have confidence in the people at Noteheads, we Mac-users
>had a lot of problems about a year ago, but they are all fixed now and my
>copy (version 1.5) works incredibly well although i would have welcomed
>some new features promised since the last release."

Before I retired my job, over the last 15 odd years, consisted on
purchasing, installing, running, learning, using and then teaching over 700
different programs and versions of programs on three different
platforms.   I have immense patience with certain manufacturers who produce
good honest software where it can be seen that it is 'deep down' useful,
where the team are obviously sincere in their attempts to help (their JOBS
depend on a successful program!!) and where the customer is made to feel
that they are honest and desirous of helping.     This program has been
shouted about for a couple of years, with statements indicating that it is
the most fabulous thing since the big bang and that Windows version is
available... well almost etc.     I do not expect, after this buildup to
have something which shows me a pretty screen in the beta test and
crashes... to be assured that it should be ok in the Release version ...
when it does the same thing, and where there is no simple explanation or
'this is happening on a number of machines... can you give details of your
setup this will help us solve the problem'

Do I wait??? yes, I have this naive feeling that there is gold at the end
of rainbows.  However, I bear the scars of other companies from which I
still hear the ghostly cries of "we will have this solved in the next
version for which you have to PAY)

Douglas Tate

> It isn't crash free yet,but I'm sure it soon will be.
> It has the bugs that every new program has,and as you know no Windows PC
is
> alike,so different PC s give different programs.
Sorry,that had to be give different problems.

The program does run and quite good actually.
You do need to go to File<check for patches,and you can download a bunch of
patches to improve performance.

It isn't crash free yet,but I'm sure it soon will be.
It has the bugs that every new program has,and as you know no Windows PC is
alike,so different PC s give different programs.
Because of the initial problems they have extended the 95 USD period to
August 20.
The Mac users,who are about a year ahead of the Windows version are most
pleased with it.

I quote one of them:

"I have worked with the MAC-version of Igor since it was released as a
light-version. So I can say I have worked with it roughly since may -2000.
It is the most superior notation programme on the market if you consider
itґs price and itґs playback-possibilities. It still have a lot to improve
regarding layouts etc... but the
greatest thing is the note-input caret. I have worked with Mosaic, Finale
(..the latest version e.g. 2001) and nothing is like Igor. So be patient and
have confidence in the people at Noteheads, we Mac-users had a lot of
problems about a year ago, but they are all fixed now and my copy (version
1.5) works incredibly
well although i would have welcomed some new features promised since the
last release."


Alain
(Beta tester for Igor)



>
> >Hmmmm - sounds to me like they got in over their heads.  Don't know
> >much about Sib's early Acorn days, but I know the relatively
> >problem-free product we're enjoying today must have gone through some
> >growing pains.
> >
> >Ken Durling
>
> ALL progs have growing pains (as do all products)
> However, you don't brush off your customers.  The Sib attitude when it
> started on Windows stank ... this has altered. The front, (Our delightful
> Daniel) has always hidden a less than good attitude which has mellowed
over
> the last year.
> At least the program RAN when it was released.
> I believe that Igor has some very positive things going for it and I am
> going to persist... for a while.  Sib is great, and so is another prog I
> use, Personal Composer ( I have got rid of Encore and Finale)   Each has
> it's strengths   at the moment none of them do all I want to do in an easy
way.
>
> GET IT RIGHT IGOR Bosses
>
> Douglas Tate
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Tate" <dougtate@...>
To: <sibelius-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [sibelius-list] Igor?


>
>
> >Hmmmm - sounds to me like they got in over their heads.  Don't know
> >much about Sib's early Acorn days, but I know the relatively
> >problem-free product we're enjoying today must have gone through some
> >growing pains.
> >
> >Ken Durling
>
> ALL progs have growing pains (as do all products)
> However, you don't brush off your customers.  The Sib attitude when it
> started on Windows stank ... this has altered. The front, (Our delightful
> Daniel) has always hidden a less than good attitude which has mellowed
over
> the last year.
> At least the program RAN when it was released.
> I believe that Igor has some very positive things going for it and I am
> going to persist... for a while.  Sib is great, and so is another prog I
> use, Personal Composer ( I have got rid of Encore and Finale)   Each has
> it's strengths   at the moment none of them do all I want to do in an easy
way.
>
> GET IT RIGHT IGOR Bosses
>
> Douglas Tate
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> sibelius-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

>Hmmmm - sounds to me like they got in over their heads.  Don't know
>much about Sib's early Acorn days, but I know the relatively
>problem-free product we're enjoying today must have gone through some
>growing pains.
>
>Ken Durling

ALL progs have growing pains (as do all products)
However, you don't brush off your customers.  The Sib attitude when it
started on Windows stank ... this has altered. The front, (Our delightful
Daniel) has always hidden a less than good attitude which has mellowed over
the last year.
At least the program RAN when it was released.
I believe that Igor has some very positive things going for it and I am
going to persist... for a while.  Sib is great, and so is another prog I
use, Personal Composer ( I have got rid of Encore and Finale)   Each has
it's strengths   at the moment none of them do all I want to do in an easy way.

GET IT RIGHT IGOR Bosses

Douglas Tate

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Durling

To: sibelius-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 12:21 AM

Subject: Re: [sibelius-list] Igor?

On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:54:54 -0400, you wrote:

>Re problems with Igor
>
>The free version refuses to run
>People at Igor said they hoped it would be fixed in paid version
>It isn't... failure in Graphics module after first screen.
>People at Igor say they hope it may be fixed sometime....
>
>No indication if it is a common error, or when it will be fixed, or if the
>low first week price will still be given to people who downloaded it during
>that time, or sorry you have now downloaded 56+ Mb  and it doesn't work on
>your absolutely standard computer with 300Mb memory free.
>
>Sometimes one one feels firms don't really try hard enough with their
>customers.
>
>Douglas Tate...



Hmmmm - sounds to me like they got in over their heads.  Don't know
much about Sib's early Acorn days, but I know the relatively
problem-free product we're enjoying today must have gone through some
growing pains.


Ken Durling

Website http://home.earthlink.net/~kdurling/

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:54:54 -0400, you wrote:

>Re problems with Igor
>
>The free version refuses to run
>People at Igor said they hoped it would be fixed in paid version
>It isn't... failure in Graphics module after first screen.
>People at Igor say they hope it may be fixed sometime....
>
>No indication if it is a common error, or when it will be fixed, or if the
>low first week price will still be given to people who downloaded it during
>that time, or sorry you have now downloaded 56+ Mb  and it doesn't work on
>your absolutely standard computer with 300Mb memory free.
>
>Sometimes one one feels firms don't really try hard enough with their
>customers.
>
>Douglas Tate...



Hmmmm - sounds to me like they got in over their heads.  Don't know
much about Sib's early Acorn days, but I know the relatively
problem-free product we're enjoying today must have gone through some
growing pains.


Ken Durling

Website http://home.earthlink.net/~kdurling/

Alternate e-mail:  kdurling2001@...

Re problems with Igor

The free version refuses to run
People at Igor said they hoped it would be fixed in paid version
It isn't... failure in Graphics module after first screen.
People at Igor say they hope it may be fixed sometime....

No indication if it is a common error, or when it will be fixed, or if the
low first week price will still be given to people who downloaded it during
that time, or sorry you have now downloaded 56+ Mb  and it doesn't work on
your absolutely standard computer with 300Mb memory free.

Sometimes one one feels firms don't really try hard enough with their
customers.

Douglas Tate...



At 02:02 AM 08/11/01 +0400, you wrote:
> >>
> >> > B.T.W. The windows version of Igor Engraver will finally be released on
> >> > August 6 th it's worth taking a look.
> >> >
> >> > www.noteheads.com
> >>
> >> I tried to download their free demo version some time ago, but could not
>ADL> get
> >> it to run.  I think my internet program must have timed out before
> >> transmission was complete.  Anyone have a working copy of this ?
>
>ADL> I do,and it's unlike anything I've seen before.
>
> >> I believe
> >> it uses a massive amount of memory.
>
>ADL> That was only the case with the beta preview.
>ADL> The version that will be released will work very comfortably on a 64 MB
>ADL> system.
>
>ADL> Alain
>
>My question is to all people who uses Igor Engraver. I downloaded
>version 1.5 for Windows but can't run it: I get a message  "LISP
>Failure: In a call to SEQ::%SET-ACCESS-ARRAY: #/ is not of type
>BASE-CHAR" (after slash there is a square). Has anybody faced such a
>problem? The persists in Win2000, russian version. Under WinME it's
>OK, but I don't want to change my OS :(
>
>
>
>Best regards,
>  Valery
>Почта - mailto:leh@...
>Домашняя страничка - http://musica.da.ru
>Проект "MIDI-архив русской фортепианной музыки ХХ века" -
>        http://www.mmv.ru/p/rusmodern
>Проект "Официальный сайт Ассоциации электронной музыки" -
>        http://ea.inion.ru
>UIN: 10727516
>
>
>
>
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>>
>> > B.T.W. The windows version of Igor Engraver will finally be released on
>> > August 6 th it's worth taking a look.
>> >
>> > www.noteheads.com
>>
>> I tried to download their free demo version some time ago, but could not
ADL> get
>> it to run.  I think my internet program must have timed out before
>> transmission was complete.  Anyone have a working copy of this ?

ADL> I do,and it's unlike anything I've seen before.

>> I believe
>> it uses a massive amount of memory.

ADL> That was only the case with the beta preview.
ADL> The version that will be released will work very comfortably on a 64 MB
ADL> system.

ADL> Alain

My question is to all people who uses Igor Engraver. I downloaded
version 1.5 for Windows but can't run it: I get a message  "LISP
Failure: In a call to SEQ::%SET-ACCESS-ARRAY: #/ is not of type
BASE-CHAR" (after slash there is a square). Has anybody faced such a
problem? The persists in Win2000, russian version. Under WinME it's
OK, but I don't want to change my OS :(



Best regards,
  Valery
Почта - mailto:leh@...
Домашняя страничка - http://musica.da.ru
Проект "MIDI-архив русской фортепианной музыки ХХ века" -
        http://www.mmv.ru/p/rusmodern
Проект "Официальный сайт Ассоциации электронной музыки" -
        http://ea.inion.ru
UIN: 10727516

On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:26:01 +0100, you wrote:

>
>From: "Ken Durling" <kdurling@...>
>
>> I don't know much about actual  midi-programming.  Is this a better
>> solution than the Cresc/Dim plug-in?
>
>I tried using that once.  It takes forever to delete if you get it wrong.
>
>A.
>


Not really - just go back into House Stylesand unclick "hide text
after ~",  find the spot, double-click on it and delete.


Ken

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From: Adrian Drover

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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:26 AM

Subject: Re: [sibelius-list] MIDI volume data entry

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Clive Raymond

To: sibelius-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:15 AM

Subject: Re: [sibelius-list] MIDI volume data entry

MIDI Control codes for volume are..

 

CC007  Volume

CC011  Expression

 

My personal preference is to use CC7 to set the balance between instruments then use CC11 for dynamics within a song.  This means that you can alter your overall balance without affecting and cresc or dim within a song.

Where can I find a list of MIDI control codes?  Only 1 or 2 basic ones can be found in the Sib manual.

 

A.

 

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> Where can I find a list of MIDI control codes?  Only 1 or 2
> basic ones can be found in the Sib manual.

There's an updated "MIDI messages" document available as a PDF from the User
Area on www.sibelius.com.

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From: "Paul Clark" <pciowa@...>


> Want to establish contact with/through the new address, so here's a
question.
> How do you copy chord symbols from just part of a page to another
> instrument? I can double click and get all of them from a whole page,
> but if I try to shift click I get all the notes too.

The only ways I know of are:

1. Select each symbol one at a time.
2. Select a page full (double clik), copy, then delete the ones you don't
need.
3. Shift-drag the symbols you need.  You will probably pick up other objects
that are in the way which will need to be deselected with Control-klik.

I hinted several months ago that there was a need for an easy way to select
a portion of symbols, even when spread over more than one page.

A.

Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland)
Personal: adrian@...
Business: studio@...
www.adios.co.uk

----- Original Message -----

From: Clive Raymond

To: sibelius-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:15 AM

Subject: Re: [sibelius-list] MIDI volume data entry

MIDI Control codes for volume are..

 

CC007  Volume

CC011  Expression

 

My personal preference is to use CC7 to set the balance between instruments then use CC11 for dynamics within a song.  This means that you can alter your overall balance without affecting and cresc or dim within a song.

From: "Ken Durling" <kdurling@...>

> I don't know much about actual  midi-programming.  Is this a better
> solution than the Cresc/Dim plug-in?

I tried using that once.  It takes forever to delete if you get it wrong.

A.

Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland)
Personal: adrian@...
Business: studio@...
www.adios.co.uk

On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:27:42 +1000 (AUS Eastern Standard Time), you
wrote:

>I was just wondering if there's a plug-in yet to add a symbol to multiple
>staffs - or is it possible currently?


Yes, it's there.  Don't you have 1.4?


Ken Durling

Website http://home.earthlink.net/~kdurling/

Alternate e-mail:  kdurling2001@...

>Date: Friday, 10 August 2001 12:27:30
>
>"How do I add MIDI volume data to Sibelius files. I know how to add program
>
>changes but I do not know the codes for MIDI volume. I would also like to
>
>make use of crescendo and decrescendos using MIDI volume. Any ideas on how
>
>to do this."
>
>
>
>Use control change 7 to adjust overall volume of the part - use a tilde (~)
before it so that it doesn't show on the score (see House Styles) and then place
your hairpins where you wish. You can go to the properties of the hair pins to
define finishing volume.


I don't know much about actual  midi-programming.  Is this a better
solution than the Cresc/Dim plug-in?


Ken

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Nicholls

To: sibelius-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:12 AM

Subject: [sibelius-list] MIDI volume data entry

How do I add  MIDI volume data to Sibelius files. I know how to add program
changes but I do not know the codes for MIDI volume. I would also like to
make use of crescendo and decrescendos using MIDI volume. Any ideas on how
to do this.

Regards

-- Paul Nicholls
New Traditions Media
#421-6450 East Boulevard
Vancouver, BC
Canada
V6M-3V9
(604) 269-9202
paul-nicholls@...




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How do I add  MIDI volume data to Sibelius files. I know how to add program
changes but I do not know the codes for MIDI volume. I would also like to
make use of crescendo and decrescendos using MIDI volume. Any ideas on how
to do this.

Regards

-- Paul Nicholls
New Traditions Media
#421-6450 East Boulevard
Vancouver, BC
Canada
V6M-3V9
(604) 269-9202
paul-nicholls@...

Want to establish contact with/through the new address, so here's a question.
How do you copy chord symbols from just part of a page to another
instrument? I can double click and get all of them from a whole page,
but if I try to shift click I get all the notes too.