Walli,

   No offense but I think it absurd to alter my musical ideas, whether
others like them or not, in order to not crash or have the program
not f&%k up.  Pardon my lack of patience, but the last hour's work of
creating a new version to which I copied the old parts into, just
crashed.  I don't know if folks know it, but system text and double
bars don't get copied, so there was a lot of manual work involved,
before all was lost again. And I don't know what else didn't get
copied.  Deadline on me and all seems lost. I want the forth beat.
And all the others.

Steven
On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Wallace DePue wrote:

> Hi Steven!
>
> There are only two comments that I can make: 1) Replace the note on
> beat three with a quarter rest; the phrase breathes that way and is
> more interesting; 2) change the G# to an Ab, since the line is
> descending and fewer accidentals are needed.  Measure one will look
> better if you make the first note's stem go upward.   Someone else
> may know the answer to the question of why the fourth beat will not
> play in bar three.
>
> Since I have been through the "problem wringer" lately, I empathize
> with your problem of crashing.   If I could help, you KNOW I would.
>
> Have a GREAT week!
>
>
> Walli
>
> PS: See your score for more of my opinions.
>
> <vast past nonethuh.sib>
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> <vast past nonethuh.sib>
>>
>> Beat 4, bar 3, in trumpet and tenor don't play. When I copied the
>> parts to a new score, they would.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
>>
>> Steven
>

Well, I could give you the "wanting to help establish the key", or
the actual, I was in a hurry to make the work bass part (not to be
played as is),  but in fact, you're right, the Eb sounds better.  So
I changed all 15 or so instances.  Thank you.  Wanna proof read the
whole thing for me?

Steven
On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Paul Clark wrote:

> E natural in the Bass - bar 5?
>
> Paul

Great question.  Same for me.  Maybe I can gain something by making a
new score and then pasting.  Not hard, but weird.

Steven
On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Paul Clark wrote:

> So how come that bar plays okay when I paste it into another score?
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Sponsored by Kelly's Music & Computers - http://
> kellysmusic.netYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

So how come that bar plays okay when I paste it into another score?

Paul

On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Adrian Drover wrote:

>
>
> From: Paul Clark
>>
> Maybe got you on this one, Adrian.
> It's a transposed score.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> So it is.  I was wondrin' why I wasn't hearing an obvious clash.
> Should
> have taken a closer look.

E natural in the Bass - bar 5?

Paul

Kontakt seems to be a thing of the past. Now it's Sibelius sounds.
I'd trumpet the improvements, but right now I'm kind of depressed by
them.

Steven
On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Adrian Drover wrote:

> All notes play well thru' my Yam card.  4th beat of measure 3
> missing on
> playback when played thru' Kontakt.  Sib crashed when I attempted
> to load
> Kontakt for a second time (endless loop required hard shut-down of my
> computer.  Auto save seems to be working OK.

If it had been an A against a Bb13 on a strong beat, not an
appoggiatura, or whatever its opposite is called,  I would have much
wanted to know about it.  Especially with the playback problems I've
been having that make trusting my eyes more reliable than trusting my
ears.

Steven
On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Adrian Drover wrote:

>
>
> From: Paul Clark
>>
> Maybe got you on this one, Adrian.
> It's a transposed score.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> So it is.  I was wondrin' why I wasn't hearing an obvious clash.
> Should
> have taken a closer look.
>
> A.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Sponsored by Kelly's Music & Computers - http://
> kellysmusic.netYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

From: Paul Clark
>
Maybe got you on this one, Adrian. 
It's a transposed score. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


So it is.  I was wondrin' why I wasn't hearing an obvious clash.  Should
have taken a closer look.

A.

Trashing fonts cured it. Found on the Sibelius Help site.

--
with best wishes, John

Hi Christie!

My songs are "holiday songs" that were all written with an educational
purpose.  The songs range from K through 12.

Have a LOVELY day!

Walli

On Nov 9, 2009, at 7:25 PM, Christy wrote:

> Hi Ramey,
>
> What age children?
>
> christy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ramy Moustafa" <moshtaqlealganna@...>
> To: <sibelius-list@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:06 PM
> Subject: [sibelius-list] Children songs
>
>
>> hi all:
>>
>> i know that all musicians here are tallanted and didn't teach to
>> children,
>> but please, i need some new songs for children.
>> i need songs to teach something, like teaching colours, fruits.
>> or a song about piece, but for kids etc
>>
>> Any help will be highly abbreciated
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ramy Moustafa
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>

All notes play well thru' my Yam card.  4th beat of measure 3 missing on
playback when played thru' Kontakt.  Sib crashed when I attempted to load
Kontakt for a second time (endless loop required hard shut-down of my
computer.  Auto save seems to be working OK.

Did you mean to use a Bb13 against the A in the melody line?

A.

yup.  The problem exists in multiple places in the score.  The slur
and tie together seem to be the issue.  Either by itself doesn't
cause the problem.

Thanks,

Steven
On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Paul Clark wrote:

> I'm guessing that something gets a bit screwed up because the last
> note of the slur is the same pitch as the note that follows it.
> If the pitch on beat 4 is changed, everything plays okay even with the
> slur.
> You can duplicate this in bar two by changing the pitch on beat 4 to
> match the pitch on beat 3. Beat 4 doesn't play - so it's not isolated
> to something in bar three.
> Paul
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> If I delete either the slur or the tie, it fixes the nonexistence of
>> the notes at beat 4. So that isolates the cause.  But the notation
>> accurately instructs the players.  More important than playback.  Any
>> ideas on the fix? Or how Sib.  itself  took on the job of
>> reconfiguring some hitherto operating function?
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Steven
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Paul Clark wrote:
>>
>>> Delete the slurs and try it.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Sponsored by Kelly's Music & Computers - http://
>>>> kellysmusic.netYahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <vast past nonethuh.sib>
>>>>
>>>> Beat 4, bar 3, in trumpet and tenor don't play. When I copied the
>>>> parts to a new score, they would.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>
>>> "Every note has your name on it"
>>> (Sammy Nestico)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Sponsored by Kelly's Music & Computers - http://
>>> kellysmusic.netYahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Sponsored by Kelly's Music & Computers - http://
>> kellysmusic.netYahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> "Every note has your name on it"
> (Sammy Nestico)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Sponsored by Kelly's Music & Computers - http://
> kellysmusic.netYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Is this a known problem?
My scores have no noteheads or dynamics, no "music font" signs of any
kind - only lines, curves and text.
The only music font which seems to be behaving normally when I scroll
through new document House Style choices is Reprise.
Anyone seen this before and know how to fix it?

--
with best wishes, John

I'm guessing that something gets a bit screwed up because the last
note of the slur is the same pitch as the note that follows it.
If the pitch on beat 4 is changed, everything plays okay even with the
slur.
You can duplicate this in bar two by changing the pitch on beat 4 to
match the pitch on beat 3. Beat 4 doesn't play - so it's not isolated
to something in bar three.
Paul


On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:

> Paul,
>
> If I delete either the slur or the tie, it fixes the nonexistence of
> the notes at beat 4. So that isolates the cause.  But the notation
> accurately instructs the players.  More important than playback.  Any
> ideas on the fix? Or how Sib.  itself  took on the job of
> reconfiguring some hitherto operating function?
> Thank you.
>
> Steven
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Paul Clark wrote:
>
>> Delete the slurs and try it.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Sponsored by Kelly's Music & Computers - http://
>>> kellysmusic.netYahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <vast past nonethuh.sib>
>>>
>>> Beat 4, bar 3, in trumpet and tenor don't play. When I copied the
>>> parts to a new score, they would.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
>>>
>>> Steven
>>
>> "Every note has your name on it"
>> (Sammy Nestico)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Sponsored by Kelly's Music & Computers - http://
>> kellysmusic.netYahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Sponsored by Kelly's Music & Computers - http://
> kellysmusic.netYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

"Every note has your name on it"
(Sammy Nestico)

Paul,

If I delete either the slur or the tie, it fixes the nonexistence of
the notes at beat 4. So that isolates the cause.  But the notation
accurately instructs the players.  More important than playback.  Any
ideas on the fix? Or how Sib.  itself  took on the job of
reconfiguring some hitherto operating function?
Thank you.

Steven
On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Paul Clark wrote:

> Delete the slurs and try it.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Sponsored by Kelly's Music & Computers - http://
>> kellysmusic.netYahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>> <vast past nonethuh.sib>
>>
>> Beat 4, bar 3, in trumpet and tenor don't play. When I copied the
>> parts to a new score, they would.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
>>
>> Steven
>
> "Every note has your name on it"
> (Sammy Nestico)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Sponsored by Kelly's Music & Computers - http://
> kellysmusic.netYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I kept trying to reduce the %s 'til they worked.  When they did, they
sounded awful. Between crashes and buggy behavior (the program's, not
mine) I'm losing track of the versions. And I have 134 bars to mend.
Properties solutions won't work for me, even if they fix it.
Thanks.

Steven
On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Bob Morabito wrote:

> I would send the file with the fixes in but I only have the Sib 6
> Demo, and I cant save..
>
> and here the notes were to 85% on the file u had sent:
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Sponsored by Kelly's Music & Computers - http://
> kellysmusic.netYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> <Picture 252.png>
> When i look at midi files exported from Sib, and if i FORGET to set
> Performance  to mecchanico, I get durations longer that what the
> notes should be, and problems like this can arise.
>
> Hopefully Daniel will solve all these problems for you ..
>
> NOTHING kills a music session and inspiration faster than software/
> computer problems.
>
>
> Good luck and please keep us posted.
>
> Bob
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:
>
>> <Picture 2.png>
>>
>> As you see, note length is at 90%. Usually I do well at 94%.  If I
>> reduce this to @ 50 % it separartes the notes, but sounds worse
>> than silence.
>> I agree with your diagnosis of the problem, but can not see the
>> solution.  I have not changed any settings (that I know of ) that
>> have worked well for years.
>>
>> Thanks for your time and expertise.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Bob Morabito wrote:
>>
>>> You have my sympathy...burt the workaround I sent works here, and
>>> somehow, at least in my mind, voice robbing occured. and it was
>>> due to the repeated notes  cutting off the next notes playback,
>>> as they were too long..
>>>
>>> as I had written, the notes seem to be set to0 105-106% of their
>>> value.
>>> I hope u solve it--
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> <Picture 251.png>
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the responses, but...
>>>>
>>>> Guess I may be thick again today. I never had a live performance to
>>>> playback. It was notated only by Mac (or MAC) keyboard. If I click
>>>> on live playback, there is no 256 (nor any number) showing in the
>>>> property playback window. Blank window. If I have Live playback
>>>> off, the duration button in properties is greyed out. And... I have
>>>> never had to adjust each note to make things work. I'm beginning to
>>>> suspect that somehow Sibelius has become corrupted. And this is 4
>>>> bars of a 134 bar piece. No way am I gonna edit each note. It's
>>>> not a
>>>> terribly important thing except as a symptom of other difficulties
>>>> since I just use playback to find clunkers. But it is irritating,
>>>> and a little foreboding of worse to come.
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:07 AM, Bob Morabito wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I think they're "voice robbing" the next note, (as its the same)
>>>> > because they're too long..change Live Duration, Playback,
>>>> > Properties Window to 240 from 256 and it works fine here with
>>>> Sib 6
>>>> > demo.
>>>> >
>>>> > Bob
>>>> > On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> <vast past nonethuh.sib>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Beat 4, bar 3, in trumpet and tenor don't play. When I copied
>>>> the
>>>> >> parts to a new score, they would. Any ideas what I am doing
>>>> wrong?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Steven
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

I would send the file with the fixes in but I only have the Sib 6
Demo, and I cant save..

and here the notes were to 85% on the file u had sent:

When i look at midi files exported from Sib, and if i FORGET to set
Performance  to mecchanico, I get durations longer that what the
notes should be, and problems like this can arise.

Hopefully Daniel will solve all these problems for you ..

NOTHING kills a music session and inspiration faster than software/
computer problems.


Good luck and please keep us posted.

Bob

On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:

> <Picture 2.png>
>
> As you see, note length is at 90%. Usually I do well at 94%.  If I
> reduce this to @ 50 % it separartes the notes, but sounds worse
> than silence.
> I agree with your diagnosis of the problem, but can not see the
> solution.  I have not changed any settings (that I know of ) that
> have worked well for years.
>
> Thanks for your time and expertise.
>
> Steven
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Bob Morabito wrote:
>
>> You have my sympathy...burt the workaround I sent works here, and
>> somehow, at least in my mind, voice robbing occured. and it was
>> due to the repeated notes  cutting off the next notes playback, as
>> they were too long..
>>
>> as I had written, the notes seem to be set to0 105-106% of their
>> value.
>> I hope u solve it--
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> <Picture 251.png>
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:
>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the responses, but...
>>>
>>> Guess I may be thick again today. I never had a live performance to
>>> playback. It was notated only by Mac (or MAC) keyboard. If I click
>>> on live playback, there is no 256 (nor any number) showing in the
>>> property playback window. Blank window. If I have Live playback
>>> off, the duration button in properties is greyed out. And... I have
>>> never had to adjust each note to make things work. I'm beginning to
>>> suspect that somehow Sibelius has become corrupted. And this is 4
>>> bars of a 134 bar piece. No way am I gonna edit each note. It's
>>> not a
>>> terribly important thing except as a symptom of other difficulties
>>> since I just use playback to find clunkers. But it is irritating,
>>> and a little foreboding of worse to come.
>>>
>>> Steven
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:07 AM, Bob Morabito wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I think they're "voice robbing" the next note, (as its the same)
>>> > because they're too long..change Live Duration, Playback,
>>> > Properties Window to 240 from 256 and it works fine here with
>>> Sib 6
>>> > demo.
>>> >
>>> > Bob
>>> > On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> <vast past nonethuh.sib>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Beat 4, bar 3, in trumpet and tenor don't play. When I copied the
>>> >> parts to a new score, they would. Any ideas what I am doing
>>> wrong?
>>> >>
>>> >> Steven
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Delete the slurs and try it.

Paul


On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:

>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Sponsored by Kelly's Music & Computers - http://
> kellysmusic.netYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> <vast past nonethuh.sib>
>
> Beat 4, bar 3, in trumpet and tenor don't play. When I copied the
> parts to a new score, they would.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
>
> Steven

"Every note has your name on it"
(Sammy Nestico)

I've never had to do it with Sibelius before, but I'm suspecting I
may have to reinstall 6.1 to become bug free again.  Anyone know how
to do this safely?

Steven

As you see, note length is at 90%. Usually I do well at 94%.  If I
reduce this to @ 50 % it separartes the notes, but sounds worse than
silence.
I agree with your diagnosis of the problem, but can not see the
solution.  I have not changed any settings (that I know of ) that
have worked well for years.

Thanks for your time and expertise.

Steven

On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Bob Morabito wrote:

> You have my sympathy...burt the workaround I sent works here, and
> somehow, at least in my mind, voice robbing occured. and it was due
> to the repeated notes  cutting off the next notes playback, as they
> were too long..
>
> as I had written, the notes seem to be set to0 105-106% of their
> value.
> I hope u solve it--
> Bob
>
>
> <Picture 251.png>
>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> Thanks for the responses, but...
>>
>> Guess I may be thick again today. I never had a live performance to
>> playback. It was notated only by Mac (or MAC) keyboard. If I click
>> on live playback, there is no 256 (nor any number) showing in the
>> property playback window. Blank window. If I have Live playback
>> off, the duration button in properties is greyed out. And... I have
>> never had to adjust each note to make things work. I'm beginning to
>> suspect that somehow Sibelius has become corrupted. And this is 4
>> bars of a 134 bar piece. No way am I gonna edit each note. It's not a
>> terribly important thing except as a symptom of other difficulties
>> since I just use playback to find clunkers. But it is irritating,
>> and a little foreboding of worse to come.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:07 AM, Bob Morabito wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I think they're "voice robbing" the next note, (as its the same)
>> > because they're too long..change Live Duration, Playback,
>> > Properties Window to 240 from 256 and it works fine here with Sib 6
>> > demo.
>> >
>> > Bob
>> > On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> <vast past nonethuh.sib>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Beat 4, bar 3, in trumpet and tenor don't play. When I copied the
>> >> parts to a new score, they would. Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
>> >>
>> >> Steven
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>

Bob,

Thanks for the responses, but...

Guess I may be thick again today. I never had a live performance to
playback. It was notated only by Mac (or MAC) keyboard.  If I click
on live playback, there is no 256 (nor any number) showing in the
property playback window.  Blank window.  If I have Live playback
off, the duration button in properties is greyed out. And... I have
never had to adjust each note to make things work.  I'm beginning to
suspect that somehow Sibelius has become corrupted. And this is 4
bars of a 134 bar piece. No way am I gonna edit each note. It's not a
terribly important thing except as a symptom of other difficulties
since I just use playback to find clunkers.  But it is irritating,
and a little foreboding of worse to come.

Steven


On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:07 AM, Bob Morabito wrote:

>
>
> I think they're "voice robbing" the next note, (as its the same)
> because they're too long..change Live Duration, Playback,
> Properties Window to 240 from 256 and it works fine here with Sib 6
> demo.
>
> Bob
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Steven Schuster wrote:
>
>>
>> <vast past nonethuh.sib>
>>
>>
>> Beat 4, bar 3, in trumpet and tenor don't play. When I copied the
>> parts to a new score, they would.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
>>
>> Steven
>
>
>
>

Beat 4, bar 3, in trumpet and tenor don't play. When I copied the
parts to a new score, they would.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

Steven

Hi Daniel - the one I'm most interested in keeping is a Proteus 2000
with Protozoa installed. I spent some time customizing a sound set or
Sib 4.
I don't think I understand the new playback system yet.
Thanks.

--
with best wishes, John