Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
simpson-simmol · The SIMPSON - SIMMOL Discussion Forum
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Show off your group to the world. Share a photo of your group with us.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
Broadening   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #817 of 892 |
Re: Broadening

Thanks for clearing that up.

Are there any plans to introduce more interactions/physical properties
in future versions of SIMPSON? Perhaps the inclusion of T1/T2 or
chemical shift distribution (as in the case of my D20 peak)?

Stevie

--- In simpson-simmol@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Vosegaard <tv@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Stevie
>
> Instead of using computer power on optimizing parameters for the D2O
> peak, I would either only fit the region of the spectrum not
> influenced by this peak. You can do this by specifying optional
> regions to the frms command (syntax would be something like frms $f $g
> {0 10000} {12000 14000}).
>
> If you have important features under the D2O peak so the above idea
> doesn't work, then I would suggest you only optimize the linewidth of
> the D2O peak (if you cannot estimate a fixed value for it) and then
> handle the relative scaling of the two spectra using the approach I
> sketched in a mail to the simpson-simmol user group in June 2002
> (Subject: Re: [simpson-simmol] overlapping lineshapes using simpson).
> This procedure avoids using minuit parameters to fit it - so it's less
> prone to falling into wrong minima.
>
> The maxdt parameter defines the maximum time over which the
> Hamiltonian is considered constant in the case of MAS. This matters
> for the speed of the calculation if you have pulses. With maxdt 1 you
> will split the pulse into 1us steps and diagonalize for each step.
>
> When you have a pulse sequence which only consists of "delay 9999", it
> is probably using the method gcompute and a start operator of I1x. So
> it starts with x coherence on the nucleus you want to detect, so no
> need for pulses. gcompute is a fast method to propagate when you have
> a rotor-synchronized pulse sequence - and a free-induction decay
> sampled with a spectral width of n*spin_rate is rotor synchronized. In
> this case the pulse sequence shouldn't contain any information on the
> sampling - this is specified by the spectral width and spin rate (and
> gamma_angles, which needs to fulfill the requirement sw =
> spin_rate*gamma_angles). The pulse sequence needs only contain the
> information on the first rotor period.
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2008, at 22:43 , Stephen Greenwald wrote:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I'm a relatively new SIMPSON user. I've managed to figure quite a bit
> > out on my own, with much struggling, but there is something I cannot
> > seem to tackle. what is the best way to handle broadening of peaks
> > caused by something other than the four spinsys interactions?
> >
> > For example, I have fit a static powder pattern of fully deuterated
> > oxalic acid-dihydrate. The spectrum is a clean pake doublet (the
> > oxalic acid deuterons) with a broad D2O peak in the middle. I could
> > not, for the life of me, figure out how to simulate the D2O peak and
> > so ended up zeroing out that portion of the spectrum and fitting only
> > the pake portion.
> >
> > I tried to use faddpeak, but the program would not compile with
> > variables inside the double curly bracket faddpeak takes asw an
> > argument (ie "faddpeaks $f 1e-5 {{0 $mn(int) $mn(lb) 1}}" was not
> > proper syntax).
> >
> > So what is the bet way to handle broadening? "faddpeak" might do the
> > job in some instances but it would fail for any spectra with
> > interacting spins. What if I want to generate a spectrum of two peaks
> > of different broadness that also had jcoupling or dipole interactions?
> >
> > One other question: I have seen a few examples whose pulseseq section
> > contains only "maxdt 1" and "delay 9999". What does this signify?
> > How is a spectrum generated without any pulses?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Stevie
> >
> >
> >
>





Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:59 pm

stevieg94
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #817 of 892 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

Hi guys, I'm a relatively new SIMPSON user. I've managed to figure quite a bit out on my own, with much struggling, but there is something I cannot seem to...
Stephen Greenwald
stevieg94
Offline Send Email
Sep 9, 2008
8:43 pm

Hi Stevie Instead of using computer power on optimizing parameters for the D2O peak, I would either only fit the region of the spectrum not influenced by this...
Thomas Vosegaard
vosegaard
Offline Send Email
Sep 10, 2008
8:16 pm

Thanks for clearing that up. Are there any plans to introduce more interactions/physical properties in future versions of SIMPSON? Perhaps the inclusion of...
Stephen Greenwald
stevieg94
Offline Send Email
Sep 11, 2008
11:59 pm

We are working on relaxation, but that is a long term project that requires substantial rewriting of simpson, so I can't tell you when this will be available. ...
Thomas Vosegaard
vosegaard
Offline Send Email
Sep 12, 2008
4:31 am
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help