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[a-w-h] Re: stray voltage puzzle   Message List  
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>I have a puzzle going on here. Over the years we have experienced mild
>shocks from time to time when touching the shower valve in a downstairs
>shower with a concrete floor.

I think I can tell you what is going on.

>This place is off grid. It has a lead acid battery bank sitting on a
>rubber mat on the slab. The system is 24 volt. The negative side of the
>dc system, the neutral side of the ac system and the house copper
>plumbing are bonded and grounded to earth.

fine, but is your tower also bonded, or just grounded on its own?

> The wind turbine is a Whisper
>1000 set up for 24 volt charging. It comes in from the tower top as
>three phase ac and is rectified in the house. The 3PH wiring is USE 2
>gauge laying on the ground. The tower is a tilting pipe affair built
>from 2.5 inch galvanized pipe with 4 pairs of guys. All four guys and
>the tower base are grounded to individual ground rods.

that's where your stray voltage is entering the ground. From the wind
generator wiring, through some minor (or major) insulation failure.

Because the tower is grounded but not connected to the grounding system in
the house, the ground itself becomes a part of the circuit. Hence you feel
the tingles. There should be a bonding cable between the tower and the
house grounding system.

>I feel like it is a smal amount
>of energy but can't seem to bleed it off.

a bonding conductor between the tower and the house grounding system will
bleed it off. You have a leakage of current from the alternator to ground
on the tower and it is reaching battery negative via the ground itself
(through you at times). short it out with a direct wire.

Hugh

Scotland (31m/s winds and snow here)
www.scoraig.com



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... I think I can tell you what is going on. ... fine, but is your tower also bonded, or just grounded on its own? ... that's where your stray voltage is...
hugh piggott
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May 22, 1999
5:44 pm

Thanks Hugh. I ran a wire over and found 12 to 20 volts between ground at the tower and ground at the house! Thats about 120 feet. Enough to push up to 20 amps...
Michael LeBeau
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May 22, 1999
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In message <3746F517.F4A42BEB@...>, Michael LeBeau <mlebeau@...> writes ... This one reminded me of horror story from 1969 when I was a...
jim barr
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May 23, 1999
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... this highlights the need to consider what sort of grounding you are doing. Here are 3 different jobs to do:- 1. Ground all equipment (connect all...
hugh piggott
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May 22, 1999
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It looks like I have a leak in a conductor in the tower or the alternator. I'll lower it later and check for continuity with it out of the wind. Howling here ...
Michael LeBeau
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May 22, 1999
8:37 pm

... Hi Mike, A similar concern arose when I had to figure out the relationship between the grounding of my power shed and the house grounding. I found that...
Alan Muller
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May 22, 1999
11:40 pm

... single point of what is the question to ask. You can have an extensive grounding system with pelnty of rods and buried bare wire, but noly link it you your...
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May 23, 1999
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... From: Alan Muller <amuller@...> To: <mlebeau@...>; <awea-wind-home@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 6:37 PM Subject: [a-w-h] stray...
Brent Peterson
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May 23, 1999
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Great discussion. So how does this sound? I have a bunch of equipment in the house. I bond all of the cases and equipment grounds, tie in dc negative and ac...
Michael LeBeau
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May 23, 1999
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I think I have got this but I will present what I have understood of this discussion to be sure I have it clear and perhaps it will help others, like me, a...
Tim O'Flaherty
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May 23, 1999
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Tim, The potential exists between the earth at the house (and the concrete slab) and the copper plumbing which is bonded to the negative side of the system....
Michael LeBeau
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May 23, 1999
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... once you set up a voltage between one grounding system and another, you create voltage gradients around the all grounding rods in question. The area...
hugh piggott
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May 23, 1999
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... From: hugh piggott <hugh.piggott@...> To: <awea-wind-home@egroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 1999 8:25 AM Subject: [a-w-h] Re: stray voltage...
Brent Peterson
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May 23, 1999
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Just to confuse things further, our electricity supply is what they call a PME system, which I understand means "Phase Multiple Earth" or similar. It is a...
Ian Roderic Izett
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May 24, 1999
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... protective mulitple earthing. they save cable by using neutral as earth. You have to have very heavy earth bonding and there are plenty of extra earth...
hugh piggott
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May 24, 1999
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This sounds like the Multi grounded neutral system that has been used by Ontario Hydro in Canada for many years. This system is not a problem, at least I have...
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May 24, 1999
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