Hi, glad you managed to get it to work, sorry there hasn't been much
additional development recently.
I had a look at your posting on socialgeek, a few (useful :) )
corrections. Small linux before the 0.9.0 series was based on libc5
however is now based on uClibc. it is pretty easy to compile programs.
Go to www.uclibc.org and grab the build image, mount it and then
chroot in and then compile a program. If you look on the sourceforge
site i have compiled various programs such as links, thy and ncftp.
To get slip working i you are going to need to recompile the kernel,
and then follow this guide:
http://www.superant.com/cgi-bin/smalllinux.pl?Slip_Networking
anything else just shout :)
james


--- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, ClaudiusMaximus
<gloriousclaudiusmaximus@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I got smalllinux2 0.9.0.2 working on a 386sx with 4MB RAM,  see this
> thread for full details:
> http://forums.socialgeeks.com/index.php?showtopic=1418
>
> I want to transfer files between minimus (the 386) and maximus (my main
> computer running Fedora Core 3) over a null-modem cable.  I think SLIP
> is the way to go, but I'm unsure of the steps needed to get this
working
> (I've never used SLIP before).
>
> I think I need to get kernel modules for SLIP, but do I need any other
> networking kernel modules?
>
> Do I need to create something in /dev for the serial port?  At the
> moment there is just the following (on minimus):
> crw-r--r--    1 root     root       5,   1 May 27  2002 console
> crw-r--r--    1 root     root      29,   0 May 27  2002 fb0
> brw-r--r--    1 floppy   floppy     2,   0 May 27  2002 fd0
> brw-r--r--    1 root     root       3,   0 May 27  2002 hda
> brw-r--r--    1 root     root       3,   1 May 27  2002 hda1
> brw-r--r--    1 root     root       3,   2 May 27  2002 hda2
> brw-r--r--    1 root     root       3,   3 May 27  2002 hda3
> brw-r--r--    1 root     root       3,   4 May 27  2002 hda4
> crw-r--r--    1 root     root       1,   2 May 27  2002 kmem
> crw-r--r--    1 root     root       1,   1 May 27  2002 mem
> crw-r--r--    1 root     root       1,   3 May 27  2002 null
> brw-r--r--    1 root     root       1,   0 May 27  2002 ram0
> crw-r--r--    1 root     root       5,   0 Apr 22 20:43 tty
> crw-r--r--    1 root     root       4,   0 May 27  2002 tty0
> crw-------    1 claude   claude     4,   1 Apr 22 21:12 tty1
> crw-------    1 claude   claude     4,   2 Apr 22 20:43 tty2
> crw-r--r--    1 root     root       4,   3 May 27  2002 tty3
> crw-r--r--    1 root     root       4,   4 May 27  2002 tty4
> crw-r--r--    1 root     root       4,   5 May 27  2002 tty5
> crw-r--r--    1 root     root       1,   9 May 27  2002 urandom
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide,
>
>
> Claude
> --
> http://claudiusmaximus.tk

Hi all,

I got smalllinux2 0.9.0.2 working on a 386sx with 4MB RAM,  see this
thread for full details:
http://forums.socialgeeks.com/index.php?showtopic=1418

I want to transfer files between minimus (the 386) and maximus (my main
computer running Fedora Core 3) over a null-modem cable.  I think SLIP
is the way to go, but I'm unsure of the steps needed to get this working
(I've never used SLIP before).

I think I need to get kernel modules for SLIP, but do I need any other
networking kernel modules?

Do I need to create something in /dev for the serial port?  At the
moment there is just the following (on minimus):
crw-r--r--    1 root     root       5,   1 May 27  2002 console
crw-r--r--    1 root     root      29,   0 May 27  2002 fb0
brw-r--r--    1 floppy   floppy     2,   0 May 27  2002 fd0
brw-r--r--    1 root     root       3,   0 May 27  2002 hda
brw-r--r--    1 root     root       3,   1 May 27  2002 hda1
brw-r--r--    1 root     root       3,   2 May 27  2002 hda2
brw-r--r--    1 root     root       3,   3 May 27  2002 hda3
brw-r--r--    1 root     root       3,   4 May 27  2002 hda4
crw-r--r--    1 root     root       1,   2 May 27  2002 kmem
crw-r--r--    1 root     root       1,   1 May 27  2002 mem
crw-r--r--    1 root     root       1,   3 May 27  2002 null
brw-r--r--    1 root     root       1,   0 May 27  2002 ram0
crw-r--r--    1 root     root       5,   0 Apr 22 20:43 tty
crw-r--r--    1 root     root       4,   0 May 27  2002 tty0
crw-------    1 claude   claude     4,   1 Apr 22 21:12 tty1
crw-------    1 claude   claude     4,   2 Apr 22 20:43 tty2
crw-r--r--    1 root     root       4,   3 May 27  2002 tty3
crw-r--r--    1 root     root       4,   4 May 27  2002 tty4
crw-r--r--    1 root     root       4,   5 May 27  2002 tty5
crw-r--r--    1 root     root       1,   9 May 27  2002 urandom

Thanks for any help you can provide,


Claude
--
http://claudiusmaximus.tk

--- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, Lorenzo martín
<lmov810927@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone:
>
> I'm new in this forum because i'm interested in leaning Linux from
> terminal because i'm newbie in linux. I'm really interested in Small
> Linux because is one of the best linux floppy-based distros ii've
> seen. I have some questions about SmallLinux:
>
> ---How can i update my partition from ext2fs to ext3fs or another
> journaling partition?
>
> ---How can i update the smalllinux kernel?
>
> ---How can i install xfree86 with a xwindow like KDE or GNOME?
>
> I want to experiment a little with linux because maybe i'll put it
in
> my old 486DX computer with 12 MB of memory and 324 MB hard disk and
> maybe i'll put it in my 1 Ghz P4 with 256 MB of memory and 20 GB
hard
> disk space. But i don't want to put a distro like SUSE because i
want
> to experimet without any setup programs.
>
> Greetings for all and thanks

OK, I'll give this a try. Smalllinux is a tiny distro originally
designed for machines w/ 4 or less megs of RAM. It was a "from
scratch" distro based mostly on Slackware w/ some Debian in there just
to be confusing. It's been a while since I looked but I'm pretty sure
that the original was linked to libc5; that makes it a < slack 3.6
base. What I'm trying to say is that since you have more than 4 megs
of RAM you might think about using a real Slack dist and not worry so
much about Smalllinux. Now, that might get me flamed but hang on, you
probably aren't going to get any X windows other than TinyX to run on
Smalllinux and TinyX isn't really much good IMHO.

As for KDE and GNOME, save that for the P4. I have an old version of
KDE running on a P2 300Mhz machine w/ 160 megs of RAM and it's kind of
slow. I wouldn't try it w/ a 486.

I applaud your thinking though, because I recently built my system
from a minimal Slackware 3.3 base and then used a ton of "compiled
from source" upgrades to turn it into a killer desktop machine, even
if it is still linked to libc5. I did it just the same as you propose,
from the console, without setups, and it was a very educational
experience.

To summarize, Smalllinux is good for old 386s and embedded apps but if
you have something bigger you might want to explore some older "full"
distros.

Hey,
I'll answer your questions in order:
1) To update your partitions file system you would first need to
recompile the kernel to support it (At the moment it only supports
ext2 to minimise space), and you would also have to recompile or get
hold of mkfs.ext3.
2)Any recompiled kernel will work, it will of course require a few
necessary components like ramdisk support.
3)installing Xfree86 would be really hard, requiring you to compile it
from scratch. Small Linux isn't suitable for it, its really designed
to be a command line system.

James



--- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, Lorenzo martín <lmov810927@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone:
>
> I'm new in this forum because i'm interested in leaning Linux from
> terminal because i'm newbie in linux. I'm really interested in Small
> Linux because is one of the best linux floppy-based distros ii've
> seen. I have some questions about SmallLinux:
>
> ---How can i update my partition from ext2fs to ext3fs or another
> journaling partition?
>
> ---How can i update the smalllinux kernel?
>
> ---How can i install xfree86 with a xwindow like KDE or GNOME?
>
> I want to experiment a little with linux because maybe i'll put it in
> my old 486DX computer with 12 MB of memory and 324 MB hard disk and
> maybe i'll put it in my 1 Ghz P4 with 256 MB of memory and 20 GB hard
> disk space. But i don't want to put a distro like SUSE because i want
> to experimet without any setup programs.
>
> Greetings for all and thanks

--- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Bridwell"
<darkmoonman@p...> wrote:
>
>
> Anyone else here using Damn Small Linux?

Hi Darkmoon:

I've used a little DSL but i don't know what do you want?

Cheers

Hi everyone:

I'm new in this forum because i'm interested in leaning Linux from
terminal because i'm newbie in linux. I'm really interested in Small
Linux because is one of the best linux floppy-based distros ii've
seen. I have some questions about SmallLinux:

---How can i update my partition from ext2fs to ext3fs or another
journaling partition?

---How can i update the smalllinux kernel?

---How can i install xfree86 with a xwindow like KDE or GNOME?

I want to experiment a little with linux because maybe i'll put it in
my old 486DX computer with 12 MB of memory and 324 MB hard disk and
maybe i'll put it in my 1 Ghz P4 with 256 MB of memory and 20 GB hard
disk space. But i don't want to put a distro like SUSE because i want
to experimet without any setup programs.

Greetings for all and thanks

Hi everyone:

I'm new in this forum because i'm interested in leaning Linux from
terminal because i'm newbie in linux. I'm really interested in Small
Linux because is one of the best linux floppy-based distros ii've
seen. I have some questions about SmallLinux:

---How can i update my partition from ext2fs to ext3fs or another
journaling partition?

---How can i update the smalllinux kernel?

---How can i install xfree86 with a xwindow like KDE or GNOME?

I want to experiment a little with linux because maybe i'll put it in
my old 486DX computer with 12 MB of memory and 324 MB hard disk and
maybe i'll put it in my 1 Ghz P4 with 256 MB of memory and 20 GB hard
disk space. But i don't want to put a distro like SUSE because i want
to experimet without any setup programs.

Greetings for all and thanks

Sorry for replying to my own post, just to say that I have compiled
and uploaded Links-1.00pre9 to the sourceforge. It runs pretty damn
well on my test computer (see specs on website).
Hope its useful
James




--- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, "tak_cc" <jcoxon@s...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone (if there are still people that are on this list!)
> I've managed to get a development environment working now so I
> restarting development of 0.9.0.3. So any ideas or requests for
> programs or kernel or anything don't hesitate to post.
> I hope to use the -tiny branch of the latest kernel as it seems to be
> possible to reduce the kernel down to very small.
> James

Hi everyone (if there are still people that are on this list!)
I've managed to get a development environment working now so I
restarting development of 0.9.0.3. So any ideas or requests for
programs or kernel or anything don't hesitate to post.
I hope to use the -tiny branch of the latest kernel as it seems to be
possible to reduce the kernel down to very small.
James

.to this group and embedded systems as well. i have done graduation
in computer applications. i am interested in embedded systems. i am
confused whether we should have strong electronics background or
not? so plz anyone can help me. i want to know what is the process
of becoiming programmer for embedded systems. please help me out

thanks in advance

sridhar

Anyone else here using Damn Small Linux?

http://www.ardice.com/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/Distributions/T\
iny/Floppy_Sized/Small_Linux/
Hello, I found this group at this website.

Thanks, Jeams, for the info., I just downloaded and tried the 0.9.2
from the site and it is for sure a newer kernel...long time to boot ;>
Since I am not very good in the low-level stuff, I think I would wait
  for the end-product then.  Thanks again.



--- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, "tak_cc" <jcoxon@s...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Basically there are two versions of Small Linux, the old system up
to 0.81 and now the new
> 0.9.x series. The old series uses a 2.0 kernel so is relatively old
- it would be necessary to
> recompile the kernel yourself. However the 0.9.x is actively
developed (when i get round to
> it :-) at the moment runs 2.4.22 kernel it however doesn't contain a
module for iso9660 as
> i always presumed that floppy disks were going to be used. However I
am right now
> working on shifting over to the 2.6.9-tiny1 branch (which is
specially optimised for small
> systems and so if you bear with me I'll compile a module for iso9660
as well (it won't be
> included in the final distro but i will make it avaliable...
> A summary from that long rambling paragraph - either you can
recompile yourself or wait
> a while for me to bring out a new version...
> The website for the new series is http://smalllinux2.sf.net
> good luck
> james
>





> --- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, "contact_dchan"
<contact_dchan@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi! I am new to small linux and is really excited on making my older
> > PCs to be useful again. I have a diskless 486 with a 3.5" FD and a 16x
> > cdrom. I am planning to put the root and smallx on the cdrom and
> > probably put config files that prepare for a slip connection on the
> > cdrom also.
> >
> > However, I found that iso9660 is not supported by small linux (I am
> > using 0.75), can anyone help? Will a newer version help? If so, where
> > can I get it? Thanks.

Hi,
Basically there are two versions of Small Linux, the old system up to 0.81 and
now the new
0.9.x series. The old series uses a 2.0 kernel so is relatively old - it would
be necessary to
recompile the kernel yourself. However the 0.9.x is actively developed (when i
get round to
it :-) at the moment runs 2.4.22 kernel it however doesn't contain a module for
iso9660 as
i always presumed that floppy disks were going to be used. However I am right
now
working on shifting over to the 2.6.9-tiny1 branch (which is specially optimised
for small
systems and so if you bear with me I'll compile a module for iso9660 as well (it
won't be
included in the final distro but i will make it avaliable...
A summary from that long rambling paragraph - either you can recompile yourself
or wait
a while for me to bring out a new version...
The website for the new series is http://smalllinux2.sf.net
good luck
james

--- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, "contact_dchan" <contact_dchan@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi! I am new to small linux and is really excited on making my older
> PCs to be useful again. I have a diskless 486 with a 3.5" FD and a 16x
> cdrom. I am planning to put the root and smallx on the cdrom and
> probably put config files that prepare for a slip connection on the
> cdrom also.
>
> However, I found that iso9660 is not supported by small linux (I am
> using 0.75), can anyone help? Will a newer version help? If so, where
> can I get it? Thanks.

Hi! I am new to small linux and is really excited on making my older
PCs to be useful again. I have a diskless 486 with a 3.5" FD and a 16x
cdrom. I am planning to put the root and smallx on the cdrom and
probably put config files that prepare for a slip connection on the
cdrom also.

However, I found that iso9660 is not supported by small linux (I am
using 0.75), can anyone help? Will a newer version help? If so, where
can I get it? Thanks.

--- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, "tak_cc" <jcoxon@s...> wrote:
>
The Compaq portable 386 I hope to install on has only 2mb of memory, I
was thinking of Small Linux version 0.3 to strip down, would you
suggest a different version?  Don't put too much thought into it I
haven't even booted the pc in a couple of years.
> Hi,
> there isn't a version for smaller sized floppy disks -> however it
wouldn't be difficult to
> strip the image down to a smaller size - that depends however on the
version of small
> linux you want to use

Hi,
there isn't a version for smaller sized floppy disks -> however it wouldn't be
difficult to
strip the image down to a smaller size - that depends however on the version of
small
linux you want to use, for the root disk it would be simple just remove some of
the excess
programs while for the boot disk perhaps remove the modules (though for the
0.9.0.x
series there aren't that many. I hope to soon release 0.9.0.3 which will have a
smaller
kernel and therefore would be more appropriate (but don't hold your breath it
prob. won't
be before christmas!)
Keep me informed of your progress,
Good Luck
James


--- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, "fallsmax" <max.falls@g...> wrote:
>
>
> Are there boot and root images from an older version of small linux
> that will dd or rawrite to 5.25 inch, 1.2mb floppy disks?  If not
> would the makesmall module work? Or should I try to learn how to strip
> down an image file to fit? thanks in advance

Are there boot and root images from an older version of small linux
that will dd or rawrite to 5.25 inch, 1.2mb floppy disks?  If not
would the makesmall module work? Or should I try to learn how to strip
down an image file to fit? thanks in advance

Hey,
Here we go then:
**extracted from the file "harddrive" in the tar.gz of small linux
Harddrive Installation
Can't remember exact steps but this is what i think it should be:
Boot into Small Linux,
Use Fdisk to create partions (recommend creating a swap partions as /dev/hda1,
about
twice the size of your ram)
Use mkfs.ext2 to format the partion
mkdir /mnt/floppy
mkdir /mnt/harddrive
mount root floppy and harddrive:
	 mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
	 mount -t auto /dev/hda2 /mnt/harddrive
Copy contents across:
	 cp -a /mnt/floppy/* /mnt/harddrive/
Unmount the root floppy:
	 umount /dev/fd0
And mount the boot floppy:
	 mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
Copy the contents of the boot folder, bzImage, lilo.gz and lilo.conf
	 cp -a /mnt/floppy/boot/* /mnt/harddrive/boot/
	 cp /mnt/floppy/bzImage /mnt/harddrive/boot/
	 cp /mnt/floppy/lilo.conf /mnt/harddrive/etc/
	 cp /mnt/floppy/lilo /mnt/floppy/bin/lilo.gz
Gunzip lilo.gz and edit lilo.conf (it contains my present set up, you should be
able to just
change the root partition)
	 cd /mnt/harddrive/bin/
	 gunzip lilo.gz
	 e3 /mnt/harddrive/etc/lilo.conf
The chroot to the harddrive
	 chroot /mnt/harddrive
Run Lilo
	 lilo
Reboot and hope it works.
Please amend this guide if i've missed out bits.
James Coxon
jcoxon@...

--- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, "kakarizz" <kakarizz@y...> wrote:
>
>
> hi all,
>
> Is it possible to install small linux on a hard drive and if so what
> are the steps involved(Considering I'm doing this on ancient intel
> 386's with no CDROM drive)?

Hi all,

Is it possible to install Small linux on a Hard Disk and if so what
are the steps involved considering I'm installing it on ancient Intel
386's with no CD drives?

hi all,

Is it possible to install small linux on a hard drive and if so what
are the steps involved(Considering I'm doing this on ancient intel
386's with no CDROM drive)?

Of course, the only reason i used 2.4 is it was originally easier to set up. Now
that i'm
emulating i'll look into 2.0 to improve space, its more appropriate.

James


--- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, "yajockhoo" <jock_etta@h...> wrote:
>
> Would it be possible to run smalllinux2 with kernel 2.0.x?
>
>
> --- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, "tak_cc" <jcoxon@s...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All
> > Now that I have my emulator working on my mac (the speed is pretty
> much an i386
> > running at 25Mhz!) I can now continue developing. I don't actually
> have that much time
> > however I'll do as much as I can afford to do.
> > Basically with the release of BusyBox-1.00 I willing to start work
> on the next version,
> > uClibc will remain the same as it seems stable and my development
> system is set up for
> > that.
> > What I would like is for people to reply to this message for ideas
> on how small linux
> > should work, what programs need to be included, etc. Any ideas.
> > Yours
> > James

Would it be possible to run smalllinux2 with kernel 2.0.x?


--- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, "tak_cc" <jcoxon@s...> wrote:
>
> Dear All
> Now that I have my emulator working on my mac (the speed is pretty
much an i386
> running at 25Mhz!) I can now continue developing. I don't actually
have that much time
> however I'll do as much as I can afford to do.
> Basically with the release of BusyBox-1.00 I willing to start work
on the next version,
> uClibc will remain the same as it seems stable and my development
system is set up for
> that.
> What I would like is for people to reply to this message for ideas
on how small linux
> should work, what programs need to be included, etc. Any ideas.
> Yours
> James

Dear All
Now that I have my emulator working on my mac (the speed is pretty much an i386
running at 25Mhz!) I can now continue developing. I don't actually have that
much time
however I'll do as much as I can afford to do.
Basically with the release of BusyBox-1.00 I willing to start work on the next
version,
uClibc will remain the same as it seems stable and my development system is set
up for
that.
What I would like is for people to reply to this message for ideas on how small
linux
should work, what programs need to be included, etc. Any ideas.
Yours
James

Hi James et al,
BusyBox 1.00 released... thanks-be-to BusyBox.
Not that I'm religious or anything.
jock

sori i din not see your message....
again sori

--- yajockhoo <jock_etta@...> wrote:

>
> just found e3. On the 0.9.0.2 download. I had
> 0.9.0.1 <:)
>
> And of course, halt and reboot work now.
> Apologies....
>
>
>
> --- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, "yajockhoo"
> <jock_etta@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > following on from from earlier, I get "not found"
> messages when trying
> > to use e3. I'm just using the 2 disks of
> smalllinux2 to boot, can't
> > find a file of the name e3 either...
> >
> > Basically, just issuing the 'e3' command.
> >
> > Also, the commands 'reboot' and 'halt' don't seem
> to do much,
> > admittedly I'm not using my 486 but a friends
> laptop, will that have
> > an effect?
> >
> > Hope you can help, thanks
> > Jock
>
>
>
>




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hi,
instead using e3 u might use 'vi' command

--- yajockhoo <jock_etta@...> wrote:

>
> Hi all,
> following on from from earlier, I get "not found"
> messages when trying
> to use e3. I'm just using the 2 disks of smalllinux2
> to boot, can't
> find a file of the name e3 either...
>
> Basically, just issuing the 'e3' command.
>
> Also, the commands 'reboot' and 'halt' don't seem to
> do much,
> admittedly I'm not using my 486 but a friends
> laptop, will that have
> an effect?
>
> Hope you can help, thanks
> Jock
>
>
>
>


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just found e3. On the 0.9.0.2 download. I had 0.9.0.1 <:)

And of course, halt and reboot work now. Apologies....



--- In smalllinux@yahoogroups.com, "yajockhoo" <jock_etta@h...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> following on from from earlier, I get "not found" messages when trying
> to use e3. I'm just using the 2 disks of smalllinux2 to boot, can't
> find a file of the name e3 either...
>
> Basically, just issuing the 'e3' command.
>
> Also, the commands 'reboot' and 'halt' don't seem to do much,
> admittedly I'm not using my 486 but a friends laptop, will that have
> an effect?
>
> Hope you can help, thanks
> Jock

Hi all,
following on from from earlier, I get "not found" messages when trying
to use e3. I'm just using the 2 disks of smalllinux2 to boot, can't
find a file of the name e3 either...

Basically, just issuing the 'e3' command.

Also, the commands 'reboot' and 'halt' don't seem to do much,
admittedly I'm not using my 486 but a friends laptop, will that have
an effect?

Hope you can help, thanks
Jock