Hello, Welcome to SML-DEV mailing list, the primary mailing list for SML developers. Discussion on this mailing list should be contained to SML in general and...
Don Park
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Nov 29, 1999 2:17 am
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"don park" <donpar-@...> wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/sml-dev/?start=1 ... I promise. I am already sad :( But it does not...
Robert La Quey
robertl1@...
Nov 30, 1999 6:46 pm
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... Assembly language of sort in one sense, a house-cleaning in another sense. ... This is true to certain extent. It is too easy to fall into traditional...
Don Park
donpark@...
Nov 30, 1999 7:12 pm
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I appologize to the sudden shift from XML-DEV. I felt there was a freight train of a reaction from the storm of SML-related messages we posted over the...
Don Park
donpark@...
Nov 30, 1999 8:00 pm
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Hello there! Its great to have a separate SML list! No ridicule from the hardcore XML folks :) I really like the SML idea from the start, we should have as...
Pavel Velikhov
pvelikho@...
Nov 30, 1999 10:14 pm
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I'm very happy to see this effort. As some of you may be aware, I'm working on a distributed bookkeeping system with an associate Dan Palanza. Also, part time...
Clark C. Evans
clark.evans@...
Dec 1, 1999 1:18 am
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... ;) Clark...
Clark C. Evans
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Dec 1, 1999 1:23 am
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I think all we're trying to do is to get from point A to point B, where point A is a world that is suffering unnecessarily from XML's complexities and point B...
Joe Lapp
jlapp@...
Dec 1, 1999 4:55 am
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I think much of what Joe is writing is correct ... but I have one huge caveat. Attributes are a major problem and very hard to ignore if we need upward...
Robert La Quey
robertl1@...
Dec 1, 1999 5:33 am
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... I am not sure about the XSL business. Is it really necessary to duplicate the XSL design? There are a couple things that I personally don't like about XSL:...
Pavel Velikhov
pvelikho@...
Dec 1, 1999 6:25 am
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Hi. I've been following the SML discussion as a lurker in XML-DEV. I haven't chimed in for the same reason that I hate speaking to large crowds :) I think any...
Brad Clawsie
brad@...
Dec 1, 1999 6:39 am
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... I think attributes must go in all SMLs. A solution I like is to allow attributes as syntactic sugar: an attribute is really an element then. However I...
Pavel Velikhov
pvelikho@...
Dec 1, 1999 6:11 am
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... We might implement this (syntactic sugar) by having a convertor that will map SML++ (with attributes) in a well defined and unique way into SML--. Note...
Robert La Quey
robertl1@...
Dec 1, 1999 6:40 am
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... Not in my opinion. If people want to use XSL, they can use XML. SML documents would be so trivial to manipulate that I wouldn't think that further...
Brad Clawsie
brad@...
Dec 1, 1999 6:43 am
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... Certainly. I was not intending to say we should mimic XSL (although that is a legitimate reading of the test which I wrote.) Rather my intent was to say...
Robert La Quey
robertl1@...
Dec 1, 1999 6:49 am
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... I have another option for us to consider. It is born of my belief that the syntax of attributes is not the problem, it's the semantics that give us...
Joe Lapp
jlapp@...
Dec 1, 1999 6:54 am
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... So far I agree, but only so far. I have developed one major site using exactly this approach. I think for now it was the best approach available. I am not...
Robert La Quey
robertl1@...
Dec 1, 1999 7:00 am
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... Grrrr. Actually, I wasn't entirely happy with XQL either. It's not really a query language anyway. The name is unfortunate. Jonathan Robie is fixing...
Joe Lapp
jlapp@...
Dec 1, 1999 7:06 am
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... But now you are duplicating the semantic distinctions between attributes and elements of XML. Why not consider the following: attributes and elements are...
Pavel Velikhov
pvelikho@...
Dec 1, 1999 7:20 am
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... Yes, that is a great starting point! I propose we start with ground zero, elements and text nodes only, no attributes, etc, and fix the remaining confusion...
Pavel Velikhov
pvelikho@...
Dec 1, 1999 7:22 am
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... I'm claiming to have hidden all of the semantics by adding syntactic constraints. It does mean that only those named constituents that exhibit certain...
Joe Lapp
jlapp@...
Dec 1, 1999 7:41 am
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... point A is a world that is suffering ... largely free of them. But *who* is suffering from XML's complexities. The developers of processors? Sure but they...
James Tauber
jtauber@...
Dec 1, 1999 8:20 am
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... Hi James, Would you please define the "XML Infoset" or provide a URL for us Simpletons who are still coming up to steam. TIA, Bob La Quey...
Robert La Quey
robertl1@...
Dec 1, 1999 8:40 am
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Joe, I like your pragmatic approach, glad to see you signed up on this list. I'll comment on your attributes seperately. ;) Robert, I've long held the belief...
Clark C. Evans
clark.evans@...
Dec 1, 1999 9:42 am
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... James, I'm convinced that attributes are broken in XML. And, the last time I looked, InfoSet seems to have inherited this brokenness. ... I think that...
Clark C. Evans
clark.evans@...
Dec 1, 1999 9:54 am
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... The XML Infoset[1] is a formal description of the set of information that an XML processor passes to an application as a result of parsing an XML document....
James Tauber
jtauber@...
Dec 1, 1999 10:36 am
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... Yes. Our discussions on the other list clearly showed this fault line. Further, our discussion has shown that attributes are indeed broken in XML. ... I...
Clark C. Evans
clark.evans@...
Dec 1, 1999 10:43 am
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... Well, admittedly, the InfoSet is pretty much determined by the reporting requirements on XML processors. Regarding the brokenness of attributes, I still...
James Tauber
jtauber@...
Dec 1, 1999 10:43 am
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I think the following issues should be decided before we go into debate about specific SML features (such as attributes, name spaces, etc.). I1 - Are all valid...
Oren Ben-Kiki
oren@...
Dec 1, 1999 11:38 am
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... The answer is a function of time, it ranges from 'yes' to 'no' on all three points -- especially as XML continues to grow. ... It will catch on if it meets...
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