Is anyone going to be at XML 2000 in Washington DC next week? I'll be presenting on Common XML on the 4th at 9am, with Bob LaQuey if he can make it. I'm just...
Simon St.Laurent
simonstl@...
Dec 1, 2000 3:38 pm
4191
Hi, ... "Assuming that this difficulty must be dealt with" You have a point here. I don't see the need of this. It's like needing: <_org.w3c.html.> ...
sjoerd_visscher@...
Dec 1, 2000 9:16 pm
4192
... I do have occasional streak of unfairness. <g> Seriously, I believe in using the right tool for the right job in a right way. As you wrote, the attribute...
Don Park
donpark@...
Dec 2, 2000 1:45 am
4193
... I think you are right. Oren? Clark...
Clark C. Evans
cce@...
Dec 2, 2000 2:31 am
4194
... Hmm. I'd like to know how, with the addition of the "get-island()" method? As Sojerd just posted, it seems to come down to two classes of tags: 1. Those...
Clark C. Evans
cce@...
Dec 2, 2000 2:36 am
4195
... Because CLUE-less XML parsers will not see the same structure as CLUE-aware XML parser. Whether this is acceptable or not depends on the application...
Don Park
donpark@...
Dec 2, 2000 6:15 am
4196
... There's no difference in structure between CLUE-less XML parsers and CLUE-aware XML parsers. That's the fun of CLUE when compared to SNIP. The context...
sjoerd_visscher@...
Dec 2, 2000 2:35 pm
4197
Hi, If we agree that we only need globally unique context elements, then we can go back to the original CUE: "An element with a name ending with '.' is a...
sjoerd_visscher@...
Dec 2, 2000 3:27 pm
4198
... So, you are suggesting using "ending with a '.'" instead of "beginning with an '_'"? Clark...
Clark C. Evans
cce@...
Dec 2, 2000 4:19 pm
4199
... context. ... Yep. To me there's not much difference, but "ending with a '.'" looks nicer. Sjoerd...
sjoerd_visscher@...
Dec 2, 2000 6:34 pm
4200
... Hmm do we use the IANA registry? And the DNS based naming? <dns.2000.com.clarkevans.timesheet.> <entry> <date.> <month>2</month> <year>2000</year> ...
Clark C. Evans
cce@...
Dec 2, 2000 7:34 pm
4201
... That's the same, whether we use "_*" or "*." 2 things about your example: - can we loose the year, for the sake of symplicity? So it becomes...
sjoerd_visscher@...
Dec 3, 2000 12:26 am
4202
Hmm. Why not reversed as you had suggested a while back... <timesheet.clarkevans.com.2000.> <entry> <date.type.> <month>2</month> <year>2000</month> ...
Clark C. Evans
cce@...
Dec 3, 2000 1:17 am
4203
... I also prefer appending '.' to prepending '_', but that affects XPath as well as any scripting language that use '.' as field accessor. BTW, we did briefly...
Don Park
donpark@...
Dec 3, 2000 3:58 am
4204
I think I got the CLUE now. Undertags does not affect the data model because schema itself is changed to incorporate the undertags within the data model. ...
Don Park
donpark@...
Dec 3, 2000 3:58 am
4205
... Paul, I'm struggling to understand what exactly you are saying. What is "the core" you are talking about? If you are referring to the purely syntactical...
Oren Ben-Kiki
orenbk@...
Dec 3, 2000 7:53 am
4206
Clark C. Evans [mailto:cce@...] ... How come? Wouldn't you allow IANA based names to be hierarchical, or end with a number, or what? Have fun, Oren...
Oren Ben-Kiki
orenbk@...
Dec 3, 2000 8:17 am
4207
... From: Oren Ben-Kiki <orenbk@...> ... The core is Minimal XML v 1.0 ... This is not a problem. I just don't want this restriction to jump into ...
Paul Tchistopolskii
pault12@...
Dec 3, 2000 8:27 am
4208
... Just to ensure I got it right, what you suggest is that we have just two types of tags: - Globally unique, establish context/declare an "island", and -...
Oren Ben-Kiki
orenbk@...
Dec 3, 2000 8:46 am
4209
... But if we don't reserve them, how would we ever be safe in defining a standard layer based on them? I don't think that merely reserving a certain class of...
Oren Ben-Kiki
orenbk@...
Dec 3, 2000 8:50 am
4210
... From: Oren Ben-Kiki <orenbk@...> ... You'l not be safe ;-) This is what I want ;-) I ( still ) don't like the idea of serialization some information...
Paul Tchistopolskii
pault12@...
Dec 3, 2000 8:59 am
4211
... [ trailing '.' and leading '_' ] ... You'll have to elaborate on that, I think... why? Do you think XML 1.0 was wrong to reserve ':'? ... Agreed, BUT, when...
Oren Ben-Kiki
orenbk@...
Dec 3, 2000 1:20 pm
4212
... Right. <timesheet.clarkevans.com.2000.> // DNS based <comment.>this is my comment</comment.> // IANA based <entry> <type.date.> ...
Clark C. Evans
cce@...
Dec 3, 2000 3:58 pm
4213
... Yes. Rgds.Paul....
Paul Tchistopolskii
pault12@...
Dec 3, 2000 7:35 pm
4214
... This solves nothing. Reversing the tags does not make the difference between IANA and dns. You'll still have to detect an integer, if you want to know if...
sjoerd_visscher@...
Dec 3, 2000 9:11 pm
4215
... context. ... XPath ... That's true. However, prepending with '_' doesn't help, because we'd still be using a dot inside the tagnames, which has the same...
sjoerd_visscher@...
Dec 3, 2000 9:24 pm
4216
... I'm pretty sure it is. You can expect from an application that it ignores unknown elements, but you cannot (and should not) expect it to ignore a tag, but...
sjoerd_visscher@...
Dec 3, 2000 9:59 pm
4217
I have been wrestling with the idea of inheritance of namespaces. Either: A. The fact that a namespace is explicit or inherited is part of the data model. B....
Philip Nye
philip@...
Dec 3, 2000 11:08 pm
4218
From: sjoerd visscher ... If this is right then why on earth are we worrying about namespaces at all? This comes right back to Gavin's assertion that you...
Philip Nye
philip@...
Dec 3, 2000 11:09 pm
4219
... The statement is only partially true. When processing, if an application runs across a tag which it does not know, then this is an exception. Now,...
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