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Something that I heard once, and have never been able to confirm/deny, is the claim that the Unix approach to file access (e.g. - open(), followed by...
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Nov 1, 2006
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- Hi all! The other day, a fellow in one of the local computer clubs asked me if I knew anything about Ralph Griswold's background. He'd heard that Ralph had...
Mike Radow
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Nov 2, 2006
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Mike, Thanks for the resources and the personal observations about this very special man. - JIm ... From: Mike Radow To: SNOBOL4 Yahoo group Sent: Wednesday,...
Jim Korenthal
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Nov 2, 2006
10:48 am
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... I cannot find any evidence for the Snobol<->UNIX link. a) FORTRAN has OPEN and CLOSE statements b) Snobol was implemented on a system with functioning...
Rafal M. Sulejman
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Nov 2, 2006
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... [snip] ... Could you upload your archives (at least years 1998-2001)? I'm sure zipped files will hardly exceed 3MB/year......
Rafal M. Sulejman
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Nov 2, 2006
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You can be 100% sure that the S4 file operations were inherited from FORTRAN; portability was the reason. ... confirm/deny, ... by ... I cannot find any...
Bernard Dickman
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Nov 3, 2006
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Rafal, I studied S4 in school in the early 70's and wrote a sizeable S4 production system (RILM 5-year Index) when I worked for the CUNY Graduate Center in...
Jim Korenthal
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Nov 3, 2006
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(apologies in advance, this may come through twice) Rafal, I studied S4 in school in the early 70's and wrote a sizeable S4 production system (RILM 5-year...
Jim Korenthal
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Nov 3, 2006
2:58 am
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... OPEN and CLOSE statements were implemented in FORTRAN 77; they did not exist in the prior implementations of FORTRAN I used (such as IBM's FORTRAN IV). I...
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Nov 3, 2006
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While it is the case that OPEN and CLOSE did not exist in FORTRAN in the mid sixties, when S4 was being developed, S4 IO was still based on FORTRAN IO. I was...
Bernard Dickman
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Nov 3, 2006
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If I recall correctly, PL/1 had OPEN and CLOSE statements back in the late 1960's... FWIW, I learned SNOBOL3 starting in fall 1970 (and quickly transitioned to...
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Nov 3, 2006
11:25 am
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The reason that (SIL) SNOBOL I/O so strongly resembles FORTRAN I/O is very simple... it's because SIL SNOBOL made use of the FORTRAN I/O package (/library) to...
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Nov 3, 2006
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Hi, Jim. I thought your name sounded familiar. I am Henry Wong and had graduated City College in 1970. Spent some time at the CUNY Graduate Center in the...
Henry Wong
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Nov 3, 2006
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Hiya Henry, yes I remember you! :) I graduated CCNY in '72 but I think our contact was at the Grad Ctr where Jon Marz and I were the two snotnosed kids who...
Jim Korenthal
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Nov 3, 2006
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When I first started using UNIX in Australia in the early 1980s, the version we had came with some kind of SNOBOL. I could never get it to work and eventually...
Phillip
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On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 00:21:04 -0500 ... I was intrigued by that distribution, but found that I couldn't even get it to successfully compile a program consisting...
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Nov 4, 2006
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... There is a program on Unix called "sno" that was supposed to be some kind of SNOBOL. I could *never* get it to do anything either... -- ...
Charles Richmond
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Nov 4, 2006
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... Phil Budne has a copy under: http://www.snobol4.org/sno/index.html you may test it -- I wasn't able to compile it under Linux (and I tried hard...)...
Rafal M. Sulejman
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Nov 4, 2006
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It was an implementation of SNOBOL 3, if I remember correctly. I believe it was described by an article in JACM or some other ACM publication. SNOBOL 3...
Henry Wong
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Nov 4, 2006
11:46 am
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... The following may or may not be relevant to the above observation. At http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree/V3/usr/man/man1/sno.1.html can be found " a list of...
michaeldavismd
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Nov 4, 2006
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Yes. I believe that the FORTRAN I/O package on the IBM mainframes had OPEN and CLOSE for tape I/O back in those days. Henry...
Henry Wong
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Nov 4, 2006
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FORTRAN IV on the IBM 360/44PS I used had no OPEN or CLOSE statements, nor did the FORTRAN on the Xerox Sigma (7 or 9--I can't remember the number). Files...
vaneselk
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Nov 4, 2006
1:47 pm
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... You can find converted (to PDF) version in Files section. BTW: you can find functioning (requires Java 1.5+) Snobol3 interpreter under: ...
Rafal M. Sulejman
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Nov 4, 2006
8:23 pm
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When I was first learning SNOBOL, in fall 1970, we (briefly) began with SNOBOL3 (the "black" book, which I am pretty sure I still must have around here...
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Nov 4, 2006
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On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 09:26:59 -0000 ... More to the point... other than out of pure intellectual curiosity, why would anybody want to resurrect that (which ...
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Nov 4, 2006
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... why not? (who said "pure intellectual curiosity"?). Solely its bad fame is reason enough......
Rafal M. Sulejman
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Nov 4, 2006
9:43 pm
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Well, that incredibly awful thing described (as "SNOBOL") in the recent article (wasn't it intended for PERL programmers or something?) was pretty terrible...
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Nov 4, 2006
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- ... - ... - The original BTL SIL SNOBOL4 actually _used_ (i.e., "called") IBM FORTRAN's runtime i/o package. It was called #IBCOM and was quite easy to...
Mike Radow
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Nov 4, 2006
10:28 pm
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... Two corrections, Actually I read about the "'sno' thing" in "AIX sno command" thread in 2002 (S4ML) -- in your answer ("emasculated Snobol3" etc.) -- not...
Rafal M. Sulejman
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... Unix v6 (but not v7?) and System V up until Release 2 came with "sno", a SNOBOL3-ish interpreter. I found it completely unfamiliar and unusable. Sources...
Phil Budne
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Nov 4, 2006
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