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RFC: SOAP 1.1 -- A marvel of simplicity   Message List  
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Here's the data I have.
 
On Saturday Keith told me about offlist conference calls re interop plans.
 
I asked that UserLand be included, then I realized this was BS, and said that we should have all discussion in public on this mail list. I posted a message saying that.
 
Since then it's been kind of quiet. I assume that the offlist discussion continues. But there's no reason the onlist discussion should stop even if some people are talking among themselves.
 
Also even though I resigned as the designated hardass of SOAP 1.1 interop hasn't stopped the private inquiries from coming to my company, and I need to refer them to a public list to discuss, because I do not want to participate in private discussions re SOAP interop.
 
What a twisty place in time. So let's move forward? Let's create results. If IBM and Microsoft and others want to promote those results that would be fantastic. In the tradition of IBM running ads for Linux.
 
But the real work is interop, not marketing, I believe this in my core.
 
I want to do a spec for a simple subset of SOAP and document it with the same kind of short 4-screen spec that documents XML-RPC.
 
 
I want it to be a marvel of simplicity, I want people to love SOAP the same way they love XML-RPC.
 
I'm good at writing these specs. Let me do this, I'm good at it.
 
Paul, Jake, Simon, Tony, Keith, anyone else, tell me what to write.
 
We can get this done this week.
 
What do you think?
 
I'm tired of waiting.
 
Dave
 


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Here's the data I have. On Saturday Keith told me about offlist conference calls re interop plans. I asked that UserLand be included, then I realized this was...
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Mar 27, 2001
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We've been having email problems (most mine, you will probably get this next week ;-), but Tony and Paul (and a little bit of me) have an RFC for everyone to...
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Mar 27, 2001
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Hello, Are the following a given? -- focus on Section 7 RPC envelopes -- focus on a subset of Section 5 encoding -- no headers RC...
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Hi, Dave! I like it :). Tony is about to send this information and I think it would be very helpful in a matter of creating set of guidelines (VerySOAP or...
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Here's a straight response. I wish you guys had done this work on the list. We put all our stuff out in the open. I'm going to think twice about that in the...
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Mar 27, 2001
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Dave, This is nothing more than a writeup of the existing interfaces that I've had up at XMethods for a while now - in fact, these are exactly the interfaces ...
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Mar 27, 2001
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Hello! I'm the author of xmlrpc-c, an implementation of XML-RPC for C and C++. So in the big scheme of things, I'm nobody important. But I'd still like to...
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Mar 27, 2001
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I have some thought that are on somewhat of a different track to everyone else's. A quick read of the xml-rpc spec, reveals that it can handle all the ...
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Hi Simon, Are you asking , why these tests are only focused on these very simple test cases that don't show the full capabilities of soap? Or is this question...
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Mar 27, 2001
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it occurred to me, that (a) we're struggling to get this basic level of inter-op going, (b) what do you gain by having it. (everything you want to do at this...
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Simon, I have to agree. I am still sold on SOAP, but I have come to believe that there is definitely a place for XML-RPC, and that they can get along. I am...
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Mar 27, 2001
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This should be the first step with SOAP, I hope. There are many other very interesting things you can do with SOAP as well, that we should test for...
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Dave, My apologies if I overstated your views. I tried to indicate that I didn't know for sure what you meant, but in anycase I should havemade that more...
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