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Hi Tony,

I typically used the Final Glide screen to see a range of arrival heights at
various STF / MC values. Then adjust my speed based on my comfort level. (STF
checked)

Yes the terrain is taken into account on final glides. Please see this section
of the wiki manual

http://www.soaringpilot.org/dokuwiki/doku.php/soarpilot/final_glide_over_terrain

The terrain checks are continuous, and based on your direct path from your
current position to your target waypoint. Then running down the rest of the
remaining task legs.

The terrain data only has one point every kilometer, so don't expect it to show
fine valley details etc.

It will show a terrain conflict and adjust the final glide heights as required
if it calculates your AGL height to be less than your safety altitude at any
point.

Paul

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, Tony Lintott <derbygroups@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Paul. I'll keep STF checked and fly defensively until it's clear I will
be 'home a dry'.
>
> A further question on terrain pse.  Does the glide height required field take
into account any high ground approaching, that is, on the present track? If so,
how often is the required height revised by SP? I'm thinking here about a
scenario of flying across Scotland where there are lots of hills in the way on
pretty much any XC. Getting low could be critical.
>
> Regards, Tony
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@...>
> To: soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 10 December, 2009 7:38:01
> Subject: [soaringpilot] Re: Much Ado about Nothing?
>
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> Just another comment.
>
> Flying with the STF checked is using McCready theory to maximise cross country
speed.
>
> Flying with the STF unchecked makes SoarPilot act as a McCready ring, showing
you the STF based on your current sink rate to maximise current lgide distance.
>
> I would always fly with the STF checked.
>
> Paul
>
> --- In soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com, Tony Lintott <derbygroups@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Great!
> >
> >
> > Regards, Tony Lintott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@ ...>
> > To: soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Wed, 9 December, 2009 20:56:32
> > Subject: [soaringpilot] Re: Much Ado about Nothing?
> >
> >
> > Hi Tony,
> >
> > Yes and Yes.
> >
> > Check STF is using classic McCready theory to maximise you cross country
speed. Unchecked STF is trying to maximise your glide distance.
> >
> > Easy test for the terrain file is to cycle through the altitude references
(MSL, FL, QFE, AGL) if you get an AGL value (not N/A) then the terrain file is
OK
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --- In soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com, Tony Lintott <derbygroups@ ...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Paul.
> > >
> > > In simple terms, a checked STF will push you harder but may have you on
the ground before the finish.  Alternatively, an un-checked STF will get you
home but slower.  Am I right?
> > >
> > > Thanks for the Terrain info.  I've downloaded the file onto my card and
now, when I review a flight record, there is TerrElev figure shown.  I can't say
for sure, but I don't think there was one in this field before.  I therefore
assume that the file is automatically picked up by SP as I've had to do nothing
but load it to the card in order for it to, apparently, start working.  Am I
right, again?
> > >
> > > Thanks for your brill help.
> > >
> > > Regards, Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@ ...>
> > > To: soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Tue, 8 December, 2009 22:11:43
> > > Subject: [soaringpilot] Re: Much Ado about Nothing?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Tony
> > >
> > > when you are optimizing for speed you are aiming to get from a to b as
faster as possible (based on your MC value)
> > > if you do not have this option checked then the speed to fly is maximising
the distance you can glide. So flys slower to covered height.
> > >
> > > Check in the files section in the group. I think there already terrain
files for the uk you can directly download and hotsync to your palm
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > --- In soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com, Tony Lintott <derbygroups@ ...>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > Whiling away the hours on CONDOR earlier today I was on a triangle in
Scotland - all irrelevant but I thought you might like to know!
> > > > However, I happened on something on which I have a question and which
the statement below, from the SP manual, does not answer. so, "Why, when STF is
checked - see Final Glide Setup screen - is the suggested STF - as seen on the
Map screen - higher than in the un-checked mode?"
> > > > Optimize STF for Speed
> > > > When chcked (sic) Soarpilot will display MC (McCready) values on the
Final Glide and Moving Map screens. This is the normal mode for cross country
flight. When un-checked Soarpilot will display Total Sink values which can be
read from your variometer in flight.     I'd also like to load-up UK terrain
data to my Tungsten T. Can someone provide an idiots guide?
> > > >
> > > >      Regards, Tony Lintott
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi Tony,

Just another comment.

Flying with the STF checked is using McCready theory to maximise cross country
speed.

Flying with the STF unchecked makes SoarPilot act as a McCready ring, showing
you the STF based on your current sink rate to maximise current lgide distance.

I would always fly with the STF checked.

Paul

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, Tony Lintott <derbygroups@...> wrote:
>
> Great!
>
>
> Regards, Tony Lintott
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@...>
> To: soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 9 December, 2009 20:56:32
> Subject: [soaringpilot] Re: Much Ado about Nothing?
>
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> Yes and Yes.
>
> Check STF is using classic McCready theory to maximise you cross country
speed. Unchecked STF is trying to maximise your glide distance.
>
> Easy test for the terrain file is to cycle through the altitude references
(MSL, FL, QFE, AGL) if you get an AGL value (not N/A) then the terrain file is
OK
>
> Paul
>
> --- In soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com, Tony Lintott <derbygroups@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Paul.
> >
> > In simple terms, a checked STF will push you harder but may have you on the
ground before the finish.  Alternatively, an un-checked STF will get you home
but slower.  Am I right?
> >
> > Thanks for the Terrain info.  I've downloaded the file onto my card and now,
when I review a flight record, there is TerrElev figure shown.  I can't say for
sure, but I don't think there was one in this field before.  I therefore assume
that the file is automatically picked up by SP as I've had to do nothing but
load it to the card in order for it to, apparently, start working.  Am I right,
again?
> >
> > Thanks for your brill help.
> >
> > Regards, Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@ ...>
> > To: soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Tue, 8 December, 2009 22:11:43
> > Subject: [soaringpilot] Re: Much Ado about Nothing?
> >
> >
> > Hi Tony
> >
> > when you are optimizing for speed you are aiming to get from a to b as
faster as possible (based on your MC value)
> > if you do not have this option checked then the speed to fly is maximising
the distance you can glide. So flys slower to covered height.
> >
> > Check in the files section in the group. I think there already terrain files
for the uk you can directly download and hotsync to your palm
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --- In soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com, Tony Lintott <derbygroups@ ...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > > Whiling away the hours on CONDOR earlier today I was on a triangle in
Scotland - all irrelevant but I thought you might like to know!
> > > However, I happened on something on which I have a question and which the
statement below, from the SP manual, does not answer. so, "Why, when STF is
checked - see Final Glide Setup screen - is the suggested STF - as seen on the
Map screen - higher than in the un-checked mode?"
> > > Optimize STF for Speed
> > > When chcked (sic) Soarpilot will display MC (McCready) values on the Final
Glide and Moving Map screens. This is the normal mode for cross country flight.
When un-checked Soarpilot will display Total Sink values which can be read from
your variometer in flight.     I'd also like to load-up UK terrain data to my
Tungsten T. Can someone provide an idiots guide?
> > >
> > >      Regards, Tony Lintott
> > >
> >
>

Hi Tony,

Yes and Yes.

Check STF is using classic McCready theory to maximise you cross country speed.
Unchecked STF is trying to maximise your glide distance.

Easy test for the terrain file is to cycle through the altitude references (MSL,
FL, QFE, AGL) if you get an AGL value (not N/A) then the terrain file is OK

Paul

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, Tony Lintott <derbygroups@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Paul.
>
> In simple terms, a checked STF will push you harder but may have you on the
ground before the finish.  Alternatively, an un-checked STF will get you home
but slower.  Am I right?
>
> Thanks for the Terrain info.  I've downloaded the file onto my card and now,
when I review a flight record, there is TerrElev figure shown.  I can't say for
sure, but I don't think there was one in this field before.  I therefore assume
that the file is automatically picked up by SP as I've had to do nothing but
load it to the card in order for it to, apparently, start working.  Am I right,
again?
>
> Thanks for your brill help.
>
> Regards, Tony
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@...>
> To: soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 8 December, 2009 22:11:43
> Subject: [soaringpilot] Re: Much Ado about Nothing?
>
>
> Hi Tony
>
> when you are optimizing for speed you are aiming to get from a to b as faster
as possible (based on your MC value)
> if you do not have this option checked then the speed to fly is maximising the
distance you can glide. So flys slower to covered height.
>
> Check in the files section in the group. I think there already terrain files
for the uk you can directly download and hotsync to your palm
>
> regards
>
> Paul
>
> --- In soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com, Tony Lintott <derbygroups@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> > Whiling away the hours on CONDOR earlier today I was on a triangle in
Scotland - all irrelevant but I thought you might like to know!
> > However, I happened on something on which I have a question and which the
statement below, from the SP manual, does not answer. so, "Why, when STF is
checked - see Final Glide Setup screen - is the suggested STF - as seen on the
Map screen - higher than in the un-checked mode?"
> > Optimize STF for Speed
> > When chcked (sic) Soarpilot will display MC (McCready) values on the Final
Glide and Moving Map screens. This is the normal mode for cross country flight.
When un-checked Soarpilot will display Total Sink values which can be read from
your variometer in flight.     I'd also like to load-up UK terrain data to my
Tungsten T. Can someone provide an idiots guide?
> >
> >      Regards, Tony Lintott
> >
>

OK i've looked at the code, and right now you get the Task WP screen if you have
a task active, instead of the waypoint list.

There is currently no option to have the Task WP screen directly in the screen
order. This should be triggered by you wanting to change a waypoint.

Therefore, I propose to change the program so it acts as before.
ie: If the waypoint list is the next screen in the chain, it will directly bring
up the waypoint list, giving you the opportunity to see the list, and if you
want select a temp waypoint (putting the task on hold)

The Task WP screen will still not be available in the screen chain, but this can
be accessed by Tapping the CSE/SPD fields on the Final Glide and Moving Map
screen, or the calc silk screen button, or the voice record button.

Paul

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, Robert Huber <roberthuber@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul
>
> > Does anyone else have a view on this change?
> >
> It looks like a good idea to me.
>
> Best regards, Robert
>
> On 08.12.2009, at 18:11, pgleesonuk wrote:
>
> > I can change the behaviour of the waypoint list so when it is accessed from
the screen order, it will bypass the waypoint select dialog when a task is
active, and go directly to selecting a temp waypoint (putting the task on hold)
> >
> > Does anyone else have a view on this change?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "skyraider9999" <skyraider9999@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Paul,
> > > yes, T3 has voice record button, but this button is in my plane obscured
by T3 holder.
> > >
> > > MB
> > >
> > > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "pgleesonuk" <pgleesonuk@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi MB,
> > > >
> > > > Does the TT3 have a voice record button?
> > > >
> > > > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "skyraider9999" <skyraider9999@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hallo Paul,
> > > > > two comments on the latest beta.
> > > > > First on the map setting screen I can not set, how many legs of the
task will be displayed - option 1/2/3 have no effect on task display -it is
always displayed all. I personaly prefer 2 so at start and finish I see only one
start/finish line.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second screen setup page. I used to have the waypoints list page
mapped as the first screen on the right D-pad button so in trouble I got quick
info of the distances to landable airports. Now I get a task waypoint screen,
where I have to select Temp and then I go to the waypoints list. Please can you
add a selection to the screen order page for classic waypoint list and also task
WPs?
> > > > >
> > > > > Third is a suggestion - Now I use TT3. If the TT3 is closed, the info
boxes of map screen dissapear. If you could add info boxes, similar to the TT
(without DIA) on the lower edge of the screen, that would be great (but not
essential ;-)).
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for your hard work that we get for free.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > > MB
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > > > > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the soaringpilot
> > > > > > group.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > File : /SP Betas/SP453Beta09Nov09.zip
> > > > > > Uploaded by : pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@>
> > > > > > Description : See readme for details
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can access this file at the URL:
> > > > > >
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soaringpilot/files/SP%20Betas/SP453Beta09Nov09.zip
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> > > > > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/general.htmlfiles
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

So you want to bring up the Task Waypoint dialog, but the use the button again
to move down the screen chain.
Correct?

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "skyraider9999" <skyraider9999@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
> please leave the logic as it is, just enable transition from the Task WP
screen to the next screen in chain via the right D-pad button.
> Many thanks
> MB
>
> --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "pgleesonuk" <pgleesonuk@> wrote:
> >
> > I can change the behaviour of the waypoint list so when it is accessed from
the screen order, it will bypass the waypoint select dialog when a task is
active, and go directly to selecting a temp waypoint (putting the task on hold)
> >
> > Does anyone else have a view on this change?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "skyraider9999" <skyraider9999@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Paul,
> > > yes, T3 has voice record button, but this button is in my plane obscured
by T3 holder.
> > >
> > > MB
> > >
> > > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "pgleesonuk" <pgleesonuk@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi MB,
> > > >
> > > > Does the TT3 have a voice record button?
> > > >
> > > > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "skyraider9999" <skyraider9999@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hallo Paul,
> > > > > two comments on the latest beta.
> > > > > First on the map setting screen I can not set, how many legs of the
task will be displayed - option 1/2/3 have no effect on task display -it is
always displayed all. I personaly prefer 2 so at start and finish I see only one
start/finish line.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second screen setup page. I used to have the waypoints list page
mapped as the first screen on the right D-pad button so in trouble I got quick
info of the distances to landable airports. Now I get a task waypoint screen,
where I have to select Temp and then I go to the waypoints list. Please can you
add a selection to the screen order page for classic waypoint list and also task
WPs?
> > > > >
> > > > > Third is a suggestion - Now I use TT3. If the TT3 is closed, the info
boxes of map screen dissapear. If you could add info boxes, similar to the TT
(without DIA) on the lower edge of the screen, that would be great (but not
essential ;-)).
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for your hard work that we get for free.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > > MB
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > > > > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the soaringpilot
> > > > > > group.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   File        : /SP Betas/SP453Beta09Nov09.zip
> > > > > >   Uploaded by : pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@>
> > > > > >   Description : See readme for details
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can access this file at the URL:
> > > > > >
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soaringpilot/files/SP%20Betas/SP453Beta09Nov09.zip
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> > > > > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/general.htmlfiles
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi Paul,
please leave the logic as it is, just enable transition from the Task WP screen
to the next screen in chain via the right D-pad button.
Many thanks
MB

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "pgleesonuk" <pgleesonuk@...> wrote:
>
> I can change the behaviour of the waypoint list so when it is accessed from
the screen order, it will bypass the waypoint select dialog when a task is
active, and go directly to selecting a temp waypoint (putting the task on hold)
>
> Does anyone else have a view on this change?
>
> Paul
>
> --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "skyraider9999" <skyraider9999@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Paul,
> > yes, T3 has voice record button, but this button is in my plane obscured by
T3 holder.
> >
> > MB
> >
> > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "pgleesonuk" <pgleesonuk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi MB,
> > >
> > > Does the TT3 have a voice record button?
> > >
> > > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "skyraider9999" <skyraider9999@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hallo Paul,
> > > > two comments on the latest beta.
> > > > First on the map setting screen I can not set, how many legs of the task
will be displayed - option 1/2/3 have no effect on task display -it is always
displayed all. I personaly prefer 2 so at start and finish I see only one
start/finish line.
> > > >
> > > > Second screen setup page. I used to have the waypoints list page mapped
as the first screen on the right D-pad button so in trouble I got quick info of
the distances to landable airports. Now I get a task waypoint screen, where I
have to select Temp and then I go to the waypoints list. Please can you add a
selection to the screen order page for classic waypoint list and also task WPs?
> > > >
> > > > Third is a suggestion - Now I use TT3. If the TT3 is closed, the info
boxes of map screen dissapear. If you could add info boxes, similar to the TT
(without DIA) on the lower edge of the screen, that would be great (but not
essential ;-)).
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your hard work that we get for free.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > > MB
> > > >
> > > > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > > > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the soaringpilot
> > > > > group.
> > > > >
> > > > >   File        : /SP Betas/SP453Beta09Nov09.zip
> > > > >   Uploaded by : pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@>
> > > > >   Description : See readme for details
> > > > >
> > > > > You can access this file at the URL:
> > > > >
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soaringpilot/files/SP%20Betas/SP453Beta09Nov09.zip
> > > > >
> > > > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> > > > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/general.htmlfiles
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi Tony

when you are optimizing for speed you are aiming to get from a to b as faster as
possible (based on your MC value)
if you do not have this option checked then the speed to fly is maximising the
distance you can glide. So flys slower to covered height.

Check in the files section in the group. I think there already terrain files for
the uk you can directly download and hotsync to your palm

regards

Paul

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, Tony Lintott <derbygroups@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
> Whiling away the hours on CONDOR earlier today I was on a triangle in Scotland
- all irrelevant but I thought you might like to know!
> However, I happened on something on which I have a question and which the
statement below, from the SP manual, does not answer. so, "Why, when STF is
checked - see Final Glide Setup screen - is the suggested STF - as seen on the
Map screen - higher than in the un-checked mode?"
> Optimize STF for Speed
> When chcked (sic) Soarpilot will display MC (McCready) values on the Final
Glide and Moving Map screens. This is the normal mode for cross country flight.
When un-checked Soarpilot will display Total Sink values which can be read from
your variometer in flight.     I'd also like to load-up UK terrain data to my
Tungsten T. Can someone provide an idiots guide?
>
>      Regards, Tony Lintott
>

I can change the behaviour of the waypoint list so when it is accessed from the
screen order, it will bypass the waypoint select dialog when a task is active,
and go directly to selecting a temp waypoint (putting the task on hold)

Does anyone else have a view on this change?

Paul

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "skyraider9999" <skyraider9999@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
> yes, T3 has voice record button, but this button is in my plane obscured by T3
holder.
>
> MB
>
> --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "pgleesonuk" <pgleesonuk@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi MB,
> >
> > Does the TT3 have a voice record button?
> >
> > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "skyraider9999" <skyraider9999@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hallo Paul,
> > > two comments on the latest beta.
> > > First on the map setting screen I can not set, how many legs of the task
will be displayed - option 1/2/3 have no effect on task display -it is always
displayed all. I personaly prefer 2 so at start and finish I see only one
start/finish line.
> > >
> > > Second screen setup page. I used to have the waypoints list page mapped as
the first screen on the right D-pad button so in trouble I got quick info of the
distances to landable airports. Now I get a task waypoint screen, where I have
to select Temp and then I go to the waypoints list. Please can you add a
selection to the screen order page for classic waypoint list and also task WPs?
> > >
> > > Third is a suggestion - Now I use TT3. If the TT3 is closed, the info
boxes of map screen dissapear. If you could add info boxes, similar to the TT
(without DIA) on the lower edge of the screen, that would be great (but not
essential ;-)).
> > >
> > > Thank you for your hard work that we get for free.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > MB
> > >
> > > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
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>

Hi Paul,
yes, T3 has voice record button, but this button is in my plane obscured by T3
holder.

MB

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "pgleesonuk" <pgleesonuk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi MB,
>
> Does the TT3 have a voice record button?
>
> --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "skyraider9999" <skyraider9999@> wrote:
> >
> > Hallo Paul,
> > two comments on the latest beta.
> > First on the map setting screen I can not set, how many legs of the task
will be displayed - option 1/2/3 have no effect on task display -it is always
displayed all. I personaly prefer 2 so at start and finish I see only one
start/finish line.
> >
> > Second screen setup page. I used to have the waypoints list page mapped as
the first screen on the right D-pad button so in trouble I got quick info of the
distances to landable airports. Now I get a task waypoint screen, where I have
to select Temp and then I go to the waypoints list. Please can you add a
selection to the screen order page for classic waypoint list and also task WPs?
> >
> > Third is a suggestion - Now I use TT3. If the TT3 is closed, the info boxes
of map screen dissapear. If you could add info boxes, similar to the TT (without
DIA) on the lower edge of the screen, that would be great (but not essential
;-)).
> >
> > Thank you for your hard work that we get for free.
> >
> > Best regards
> > MB
> >
> > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
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>

Hi MB,

Does the TT3 have a voice record button?

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "skyraider9999" <skyraider9999@...> wrote:
>
> Hallo Paul,
> two comments on the latest beta.
> First on the map setting screen I can not set, how many legs of the task will
be displayed - option 1/2/3 have no effect on task display -it is always
displayed all. I personaly prefer 2 so at start and finish I see only one
start/finish line.
>
> Second screen setup page. I used to have the waypoints list page mapped as the
first screen on the right D-pad button so in trouble I got quick info of the
distances to landable airports. Now I get a task waypoint screen, where I have
to select Temp and then I go to the waypoints list. Please can you add a
selection to the screen order page for classic waypoint list and also task WPs?
>
> Third is a suggestion - Now I use TT3. If the TT3 is closed, the info boxes of
map screen dissapear. If you could add info boxes, similar to the TT (without
DIA) on the lower edge of the screen, that would be great (but not essential
;-)).
>
> Thank you for your hard work that we get for free.
>
> Best regards
> MB
>
> --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the soaringpilot
> > group.
> >
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> >   Description : See readme for details
> >
> > You can access this file at the URL:
> >
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> >
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> >
> > pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@>
> >
>

Paul Sorry, forget about the first item - my fault.

Mark thanks for the reply, I am not complaining, SP runs OK. On T3 in closed
state you can not see the info bar at the bottom of the screen. My suggestion
was to add the info bar similar to the devices without DIA (aka TT) only for the
closed state. But that is realy not that important.

Best regrds
MB

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, Mark Hawkins <markhawke7@...> wrote:
>
> There is an additional patch you need to load for the TT3 I believe that
> will make the display work properly.  I thought it was in the files section
> of the yahoogroup still.  Do a search on some of the old postings in the
> yahoogroup and/or the wiki site and you should find info about it.
>
> Later!
>
> -Mark
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 16:39, skyraider9999 <skyraider9999@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hallo Paul,
> > two comments on the latest beta.
> > First on the map setting screen I can not set, how many legs of the task
> > will be displayed - option 1/2/3 have no effect on task display -it is
> > always displayed all. I personaly prefer 2 so at start and finish I see only
> > one start/finish line.
> >
> > Second screen setup page. I used to have the waypoints list page mapped as
> > the first screen on the right D-pad button so in trouble I got quick info of
> > the distances to landable airports. Now I get a task waypoint screen, where
> > I have to select Temp and then I go to the waypoints list. Please can you
> > add a selection to the screen order page for classic waypoint list and also
> > task WPs?
> >
> > Third is a suggestion - Now I use TT3. If the TT3 is closed, the info boxes
> > of map screen dissapear. If you could add info boxes, similar to the TT
> > (without DIA) on the lower edge of the screen, that would be great (but not
> > essential ;-)).
> >
> > Thank you for your hard work that we get for free.
> >
> > Best regards
> > MB
> >
> > --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com <soaringpilot%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com <soaringpilot%40yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > This email message is a notification to let you know that
> > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the soaringpilot
> > > group.
> > >
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> > > Description : See readme for details
> > >
> > > You can access this file at the URL:
> > >
> >
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> > >
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> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Hallo Paul,
two comments on the latest beta.
First on the map setting screen I can not set, how many legs of the task will be
displayed - option 1/2/3 have no effect on task display -it is always displayed
all. I personaly prefer 2 so at start and finish I see only one start/finish
line.

Second screen setup page. I used to have the waypoints list page mapped as the
first screen on the right D-pad button so in trouble I got quick info of the
distances to landable airports. Now I get a task waypoint screen, where I have
to select Temp and then I go to the waypoints list. Please can you add a
selection to the screen order page for classic waypoint list and also task WPs?

Third is a suggestion - Now I use TT3. If the TT3 is closed, the info boxes of
map screen dissapear. If you could add info boxes, similar to the TT (without
DIA) on the lower edge of the screen, that would be great (but not essential
;-)).

Thank you for your hard work that we get for free.

Best regards
MB

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the soaringpilot
> group.
>
>   File        : /SP Betas/SP453Beta09Nov09.zip
>   Uploaded by : pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@...>
>   Description : See readme for details
>
> You can access this file at the URL:
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soaringpilot/files/SP%20Betas/SP453Beta09Nov09.zip
>
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/general.htmlfiles
>
> Regards,
>
> pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@...>
>

You can already have 2 radii for the last turnpoint.

Add 2 identical waypoints at the end of the task.
The last one should have the smaller finish radius.
The one before mark as an area with the larger radius.

If the task distance does not include reaching the inner radius, mark this
turnpoint as "Landing", and set the finish radius to the larger.

Paul

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "Gams" <gmatajira@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all
>
> After reviewing all the actions made. I came to the conclution that the
problem of hanging SP, was related to the new case that I installed. This case
was pressing the REC button on the side of my IQUE 3600, and after some time It
was causing the crash on the program. Without the case the Unit plus the
software works just fine. Sorry guys my fault.
>
> Still I would like to requestr Paul, to consider the adding to the goal
waypoint, the 2 radious, This is very important for paragliding and hangliding
competitions and usually it is called SPEED SECTION.
>
> Thanks
>

Hello all

After reviewing all the actions made. I came to the conclution that the problem
of hanging SP, was related to the new case that I installed. This case was
pressing the REC button on the side of my IQUE 3600, and after some time It was
causing the crash on the program. Without the case the Unit plus the software
works just fine. Sorry guys my fault.

Still I would like to requestr Paul, to consider the adding to the goal
waypoint, the 2 radious, This is very important for paragliding and hangliding
competitions and usually it is called SPEED SECTION.

Thanks

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, german matajira <gmatajira@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello all
>
>
>
> I just installed the latest beta, taken the week of Nov 15. I run into a big
problem on a paragliding competition, but still do not know if it was my fault
>
>
>
> If I have the aplication running on the ground It works OK, as I am able to
enter the route for the competition, But as soon as I get airborne, the screen
freezes and goes flat. the only way to exit it, is by reseting the palm.  that
did happended on the first 2 days of competition.
>
>
>
> On the third day I had a little accident so could not try new settings.
>
>
>
> NOW,  it could be my fault, BUT I haven´t have the time to research on this
due to my accident, But It could be due to I did create a little, housing for
the IQUE 3600, so I could put it easily on my Flight deck,  But it looks like
the container is to tight (strech, small) and it could be pressing the bottons
on the side,  possibly causing it to hang out. on the third day I was going to
try the IQUE without the housing but unfortunatelly, A big thermal came and
force me to land on my head.... baddddd
>
>
>
> As soon as I investigate on this issue I will let the group know, so in the
case of a prpblem with the latest beta,  paul can look into it,  or if it is my
fault(very possible) you guys could dismiss this email. I just want to warn you
guys ahead.
>
>
>
> REQUEST:
>
>
>
> I have a request for your evaluation.
>
>
>
> on paragliding competitions USUALLY there are 2 radious for the goal.   the
first radio is the end of the SPEED section, and the second radious is the
actual goal.
>
>
>
> It works like this:
>
>
>
> We have a goal with a radious of 400 meters, and it is sorrounded by a radious
of 2 KM, whis is the radious marking the end of the speed section.  When we are
competing, the day´s competition TIME ends when we touch the SPEED radious, but
the actual competition ends when we actually touch the 400 meters radio.  So if
we touch the SPEED section but we do not reach the inner or 400 meters section
is like we did not finish the task,  But if I touch the SPEED section FIRST 
than the other competitors , and then arrive (last among the other competitors)
to the inner section or 400 meters radious, STILL I won the competition.
>
>
>
> I would like to ask Paul, if it is possible to create for the goal the option
of 2 radious just like on the other waypoints that already have this 2 radious
option.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> Note: I have become so adicted and dependent to this software SP, that I could
easily won the competition, but when my device when flat, I could not figure out
the route, and my GPS at that precise moment could not give me the information
about my next waypoint which was just ahead of me, I could not let the brakes go
to manipulate the gps (vey turbulent 12+ m/s broken thermals), to see were I was
supposuse to go next, and lost few minutes and couple of hundred of metters,
before I could realize the next waypoint, It was late, and I ended up being in
the 5th place.  But this is something that never happends with SOARING pilot, 
as I drives me nicely thru my tast,  without errors on the route, specially
errors that GARMIN gps have on selecting next waypoint on task
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To: soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com
> From: pgleesonuk@...
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:30:54 +0000
> Subject: [soaringpilot] Re: Turn points
>
>
>
>
>
> How did you re-install SoarPilot? Or did you run it from the card?
>
> --- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, Frank Van Der Hoeven <lost_4wd@> wrote:
> >
> > It ran flat then I charged it also had to reinstall soar pilot which was
backed up on card next time I used it the problem started.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@>
> > To: soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, 13 November, 2009 6:56:12 PM
> > Subject: [soaringpilot] Re: Turn points
> >
> >
> > Then I don't understand. Assuming of course you entered the sector and
logged enough points to validate the turn.
> >
> > If you first turnpoint was FAI and you turned very close to the turnpoint
you may not have logged enough points.
> >
> > If you Palm ran flat, how did it continue to work?
> >
> > --- In soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com, Frank Van Der Hoeven <lost_4wd@ .>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Start was line, turnpoint FAI sector 1.852 km
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > From: pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@ ...>
> > > To: soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Thu, 12 November, 2009 6:56:20 PM
> > > Subject: [soaringpilot] Re: Turn points
> > >
> > >
> > > What sector type and radius did you have?
> > >
> > > --- In soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com, "Frank" <lost_4wd@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Can someone please help ?
> > > >
> > > > After entering a task soarpilot pointed me towards the first turn-point
> > > > after reaching the turn-point it kept directing me around the turn point
in circles rather than advancing towards the next point.
> > > > Also on the start the starting point was 200 meters directly in front of
me after passing it, it was also not recognized.
> > > > This problem just started after my palm ran flat.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers Frank
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > > Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7.
> > > Enter now: http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ homepageset/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7.
> > Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>

How did you re-install SoarPilot? Or did you run it from the card?

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, Frank Van Der Hoeven <lost_4wd@...> wrote:
>
> It ran flat then I charged it also had to reinstall soar pilot which was
backed up on card next time I used it the problem started.
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@...>
> To: soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 13 November, 2009 6:56:12 PM
> Subject: [soaringpilot] Re: Turn points
>
>
> Then I don't understand. Assuming of course you entered the sector and logged
enough points to validate the turn.
>
> If you first turnpoint was FAI and you turned very close to the turnpoint you
may not have logged enough points.
>
> If you Palm ran flat, how did it continue to work?
>
> --- In soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com, Frank Van Der Hoeven <lost_4wd@ .>
wrote:
> >
> > Start was line, turnpoint FAI sector 1.852 km
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@ ...>
> > To: soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Thu, 12 November, 2009 6:56:20 PM
> > Subject: [soaringpilot] Re: Turn points
> >
> >
> > What sector type and radius did you have?
> >
> > --- In soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com, "Frank" <lost_4wd@ .> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can someone please help ?
> > >
> > > After entering a task soarpilot pointed me towards the first turn-point
> > > after reaching the turn-point it kept directing me around the turn point
in circles rather than advancing towards the next point.
> > > Also on the start the starting point was 200 meters directly in front of
me after passing it, it was also not recognized.
> > > This problem just started after my palm ran flat.
> > >
> > > Cheers Frank
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7.
> > Enter now: http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ homepageset/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>      
________________________________________________________________________________\
__
> Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7.
> Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/
>

Then I don't understand. Assuming of course you entered the sector and logged
enough points to validate the turn.

If you first turnpoint was FAI and you turned very close to the turnpoint you
may not have logged enough points.

If you Palm ran flat, how did it continue to work?

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, Frank Van Der Hoeven <lost_4wd@...> wrote:
>
> Start was line, turnpoint FAI sector 1.852 km
>
> Cheers
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: pgleesonuk <pgleesonuk@...>
> To: soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 12 November, 2009 6:56:20 PM
> Subject: [soaringpilot] Re: Turn points
>
>
> What sector type and radius did you have?
>
> --- In soaringpilot@ yahoogroups. com, "Frank" <lost_4wd@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Can someone please help ?
> >
> > After entering a task soarpilot pointed me towards the first turn-point
> > after reaching the turn-point it kept directing me around the turn point in
circles rather than advancing towards the next point.
> > Also on the start the starting point was 200 meters directly in front of me
after passing it, it was also not recognized.
> > This problem just started after my palm ran flat.
> >
> > Cheers Frank
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>      
________________________________________________________________________________\
__
> Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7.
> Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/
>

What sector type and radius did you have?

--- In soaringpilot@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <lost_4wd@...> wrote:
>
> Can someone please help ?
>
> After entering a task soarpilot pointed me towards the first turn-point
> after reaching the turn-point it kept directing me around the turn point in
circles rather than advancing towards the next point.
> Also on the start the starting point was 200 meters directly in front of me
after passing it, it was also not recognized.
> This problem just started after my palm ran flat.
>
> Cheers Frank
>

Can someone please help ?

After entering a task soarpilot pointed me towards the first turn-point
after reaching the turn-point it kept directing me around the turn point in
circles rather than advancing towards the next point.
Also on the start the starting point was 200 meters directly in front of me
after passing it, it was also not recognized.
This problem just started after my palm ran flat.

Cheers Frank

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