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#2959 From: Michal Kusiak <komeciarz@...>
Date: Sun Nov 8, 2009 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: Kreutz comet in the C3 images of 1999/07/26 		komeciarz
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Hi Jiangao,

Your claim looks good. I hope that Karl will confirm it.

Regards,
Michal
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> This is I found in the C3 images of 1999/07/26 ,
> it is faint ,can see about 12 positions,look nice.
> Waiting for replay:)
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> picture name  position
> 32039231_2.gif (712,617)
> 32039232_2.gif (708,613)
> 32039233_2.gif (705,610)
> 32039234_2.gif (701,605)
> 32039235_2.gif (697,602)
> 32039236_2.gif (693,599)
> 32039237_2.gif (688,595)
> 32039238_2.gif (681,588)
> 32039239_2.gif (676,583)
> 32039240_2.gif (673,580)
> 32039241_2.gif (668,576)
> 32039242_2.gif (664,572)
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> Regards~
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#2960 From: Michal Kusiak <komeciarz@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:46 am
Subject: New project dedicated to the Kreutz sungrazers 		komeciarz
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Dear Group Members,

We would like to draw your attention to our new project which was
recently approved for the 30-m IRAM telescope, operating at millimetre
and submillimetre wavelengths.

We wish to perform a pilot study aimed at first ever observation of
parent molecules in a sungrazing comet from the Kreutz group. As you
may know, little is known about these comets, except that they
originate from a common body which broke up centuries ago. Our
ultimate goal is to compose a sample of several comets with at least
two molecules well detected. This will enable us to compare the
relative molecular abundances in their comae, and thereby to address
an intriguing question whether the interior of the progenitor body was
chemically differentiated or not, with important cosmogonic
implications. According to our estimations, the brightest sungrazers
from this group may be possibly detected with the IRAM 30-m telescope
-- but surprisingly no one has ever tried to characterize their
composition this way. The project is a joint initiative of myself
(Jagiellonian University, Krakow), Dr. Michal Drahus (University of
California at Los Angeles) and Dr. Clemens Thum (IRAM institute,
Grenoble).

The project may be realized anytime between 1 Dec., 2009 and 31 May,
2010, when a sufficiently bright comet appears. To secure that a
potentially good target won't be missed...

WE KINDLY ASK YOU TO HELP!

We need help from possibly large number of experienced SOHO comet
hunters, to alert us about sufficiently bright comets as soon as they
will get discovered in C3. Any observer who will declare to
collaborate with us by: (1) regularly monitoring the SOHO reports and
C3 images, and (2) providing us with immediate reports on the
brightest comets, will receive detailed information about the project,
including instructions on how to react when the bright thing appears.
If you are interested -- please reply privately to this e-mail.

Best Regards,
Michal Kusiak

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#2961 From: su hua <cdsuhuasky@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:30 pm
Subject: Possible kreutz comet in C2 		cdsuhuasky
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Possible kreutz comet in C2
picture size: 512X512 B/W
picture name  position
20091116_0806_c2.gif (524,1004)
20091116_0830_c2.gif (516,984)
 
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#2962 From: "Matson, Robert D." <matsonr@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:11 pm
Subject: Sorry for sungrazer posts -- (SOHO flipped right now) 		rdotdaneelol...
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Hi All,

Sorry for the "noise" on the Sungrazer pages -- I haven't checked comets
in
a while and didn't realize the sensor was flipped right now (fits files
are upside down).  Should have figured that there's no way such a bright
comet would get missed (no matter where it appeared in the field of
view).

--Rob

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#2963 From: "Alan Watson" <awat4309@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:40 pm
Subject: Re: Sorry for sungrazer posts -- (SOHO flipped right now) 		algwat
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Gidday Rob,
This has been reported to Mr Sungrazer already.
A very bright comet is moving top left quater.
Unknown , non group. rgds Alan Watson
(0,0) up left image pix value x y slice.
1 200911:20091113_000901_s4h1B 56.4040 23 416 1
2 200911:20091113_004901_s4h1B 53.1977 26 416 2
3 200911:20091113_012901_s4h1B 53.1628 29 418 3
4 200911:20091113_020901_s4h1B 60.1462 32 420 4
5 200911:20091113_024901_s4h1B 61.0561 35 421 5
6 200911:20091113_032901_s4h1B 62.2929 38 422 6
7 200911:20091113_040901_s4h1B 57.5182 41 423 7
8 200911:20091113_044901_s4h1B 47.0123 43 424 8
9 200911:20091113_052901_s4h1B 42.8668 46 425 9
10 200911:20091113_060901_s4h1B 46.1428 49 427 10
11 200911:20091113_064901_s4h1B 53.2620 52 428 11

This one looks to me that it would be crossing SOHO C3 going south , Nov 14-18
th
Would this be close to the suspect you see?
I have looked  only the the JPG images from 1110-1116, but can not see it.

kind regards, ALan.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Matson, Robert D.
   To: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM
   Subject: [sohohunter] Sorry for sungrazer posts -- (SOHO flipped right now)



   Hi All,

   Sorry for the "noise" on the Sungrazer pages -- I haven't checked comets
   in
   a while and didn't realize the sensor was flipped right now (fits files
   are upside down). Should have figured that there's no way such a bright
   comet would get missed (no matter where it appeared in the field of
   view).

   --Rob




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#2964 From: "Matson, Robert D." <matsonr@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:46 pm
Subject: RE: Sorry for sungrazer posts -- (SOHO flipped right now) 		rdotdaneelol...
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Hi Alan,

You misunderstood my message -- my posts to Sungrazer were erroneous,
not because
the comet wasn't real.  It's that I didn't realize the images were
rotated 180
degrees.  So Kreutz comets would be coming in from the upper left. What
I
reported was an extremely obvious Kreutz that had already been
long-since
reported.

I see the very bright non-group comet you're talking about in Stereo-B.
It's
not clear to me whether it would be visible in LASCO C3 or not. It might
be too far out of the C3 field of view (out of the frame to the right).

--Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sohohunter@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Alan Watson
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 3:40 PM
To: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sohohunter] Sorry for sungrazer posts -- (SOHO flipped
right now)

Gidday Rob,
This has been reported to Mr Sungrazer already.
A very bright comet is moving top left quater.
Unknown , non group. rgds Alan Watson
(0,0) up left image pix value x y slice.
1 200911:20091113_000901_s4h1B 56.4040 23 416 1
2 200911:20091113_004901_s4h1B 53.1977 26 416 2
3 200911:20091113_012901_s4h1B 53.1628 29 418 3
4 200911:20091113_020901_s4h1B 60.1462 32 420 4
5 200911:20091113_024901_s4h1B 61.0561 35 421 5
6 200911:20091113_032901_s4h1B 62.2929 38 422 6
7 200911:20091113_040901_s4h1B 57.5182 41 423 7
8 200911:20091113_044901_s4h1B 47.0123 43 424 8
9 200911:20091113_052901_s4h1B 42.8668 46 425 9 10
200911:20091113_060901_s4h1B 46.1428 49 427 10
11 200911:20091113_064901_s4h1B 53.2620 52 428 11

This one looks to me that it would be crossing SOHO C3 going south , Nov
14-18 th Would this be close to the suspect you see?
I have looked  only the the JPG images from 1110-1116, but can not see
it.

kind regards, ALan.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Matson, Robert D.
   To: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM
   Subject: [sohohunter] Sorry for sungrazer posts -- (SOHO flipped right
now)



   Hi All,

   Sorry for the "noise" on the Sungrazer pages -- I haven't checked
comets
   in
   a while and didn't realize the sensor was flipped right now (fits
files
   are upside down). Should have figured that there's no way such a
bright
   comet would get missed (no matter where it appeared in the field of
   view).

   --Rob




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#2965 From: "Matson, Robert D." <matsonr@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:05 am
Subject: Search for non-group in C3 fits images 		rdotdaneelol...
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Hi Alan,

I've only checked the C3 fits images from today (16th) and the 13th.
Haven't found it.  --Rob

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From: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sohohunter@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Alan Watson
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 3:40 PM
To: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sohohunter] Sorry for sungrazer posts -- (SOHO flipped
right now)

Gidday Rob,
This has been reported to Mr Sungrazer already.
A very bright comet is moving top left quater.
Unknown , non group. rgds Alan Watson
(0,0) up left image pix value x y slice.
1 200911:20091113_000901_s4h1B 56.4040 23 416 1
2 200911:20091113_004901_s4h1B 53.1977 26 416 2
3 200911:20091113_012901_s4h1B 53.1628 29 418 3
4 200911:20091113_020901_s4h1B 60.1462 32 420 4
5 200911:20091113_024901_s4h1B 61.0561 35 421 5
6 200911:20091113_032901_s4h1B 62.2929 38 422 6
7 200911:20091113_040901_s4h1B 57.5182 41 423 7
8 200911:20091113_044901_s4h1B 47.0123 43 424 8
9 200911:20091113_052901_s4h1B 42.8668 46 425 9 10
200911:20091113_060901_s4h1B 46.1428 49 427 10
11 200911:20091113_064901_s4h1B 53.2620 52 428 11

This one looks to me that it would be crossing SOHO C3 going south , Nov
14-18th
Would this be close to the suspect you see? I have looked  only the the
JPG images
from 1110-1116, but can not see it.

kind regards, ALan.

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#2966 From: "Alan Watson" <awat4309@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:39 am
Subject: Re: Search for non-group in C3 fits images 		algwat
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Rob, Thanks for looking.

Kind regards, alan
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Matson, Robert D.
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   Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:05 PM
   Subject: [sohohunter] Search for non-group in C3 fits images



   Hi Alan,

   I've only checked the C3 fits images from today (16th) and the 13th.
   Haven't found it. --Rob

   -----Original Message-----
   From: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sohohunter@yahoogroups.com] On
   Behalf Of Alan Watson
   Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 3:40 PM
   To: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [sohohunter] Sorry for sungrazer posts -- (SOHO flipped
   right now)

   Gidday Rob,
   This has been reported to Mr Sungrazer already.
   A very bright comet is moving top left quater.
   Unknown , non group. rgds Alan Watson
   (0,0) up left image pix value x y slice.
   1 200911:20091113_000901_s4h1B 56.4040 23 416 1
   2 200911:20091113_004901_s4h1B 53.1977 26 416 2
   3 200911:20091113_012901_s4h1B 53.1628 29 418 3
   4 200911:20091113_020901_s4h1B 60.1462 32 420 4
   5 200911:20091113_024901_s4h1B 61.0561 35 421 5
   6 200911:20091113_032901_s4h1B 62.2929 38 422 6
   7 200911:20091113_040901_s4h1B 57.5182 41 423 7
   8 200911:20091113_044901_s4h1B 47.0123 43 424 8
   9 200911:20091113_052901_s4h1B 42.8668 46 425 9 10
   200911:20091113_060901_s4h1B 46.1428 49 427 10
   11 200911:20091113_064901_s4h1B 53.2620 52 428 11

   This one looks to me that it would be crossing SOHO C3 going south , Nov
   14-18th
   Would this be close to the suspect you see? I have looked only the the
   JPG images
   from 1110-1116, but can not see it.

   kind regards, ALan.




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#2967 From: 建高 阮 <ruanjiangao@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:45 am
Subject: Possible kreutz comet in archive images 		ruanjiangao
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Hi all and Karl,
 
This 4 possible kreutz comet is my result of the search about archive comet in
this several day.
 
#----001,images is come from C2 image of  2003/11/09.
 
 
picture name      position
22158483_2.GIF (638,1023)
22158484_2.GIF (626,1003)
22158485_2.GIF (612,980)
22158486_2.GIF (605,970)
22158487_2.GIF (593,949)
22158488_2.GIF (581,927)
22158489_2.GIF (573,915)
22158490_2.GIF (559,893)?
22158491_2.GIF (546,869)?
 
#----002,images is come from C2 image of 2003/11/04
 
22158138_2.gif (747,1012)
22158139_2.gif (733,991)
22158140_2.gif (726,981)
22158141_2.gif (711,962)
22158142_2.gif (698,945)
22158143_2.gif (690,934)
22158144_2.gif (680,920)
22158145_2.gif (670,905)
 
#-----003,images is come from C3 image of 1997/08/15
 
32017865_2.gif (760,627)
32017866_2.gif (751,621)
32017871_2.gif (738,613)
32017872_2.gif (728,606)
32017874_2.gif (718,597)
32017875_2.gif (712,595)
32017877_2.gif (702,588)
32017879_2.gif (695,583)
32017880_2.gif (692,580)
32017881_2.gif (682,575)
32017883_2.gif (671,566)
32017884_2.gif (661,559)
 
#-----004,images is come from C2 image of 1997/11/01
 
22023817_2.GIF (719,1018)
22023818_2.GIF (699,993)
22023819_2.GIF (687,975)
22023820_2.GIF (678,963)
22023821_2.GIF (665,944)
22023822_2.GIF (641,912)
 
Regards~
Jiangao Ruan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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#2968 From: Michal Kusiak <komeciarz@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:57 pm
Subject: Re: Possible kreutz comet in archive images 		komeciarz
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Hi Jiangao,

I checked three C2 comets reported by you and...:

----001 (images C2 2003-11-09)
I don't see anything in 22158483fts (638,1023)
But on the next ~5 images I see something faint and diffuse like "possible"
Kreutz


----002  (images C2, 2003-11-04):
I see something like possible Kreutz
But...reported by Xavier Leprette and NOT-CONFIRMED


Nov 04 2003 12:47:49
Possible Kreutz comet in a real-time C2
Very faint object.
0,0 in top-left corner of 1024x1024 frames
Time    col,row
15:30   747,1010
15:54   733,990
16:06   725,980
16:30   711,962

Xavier Leprette



----004 (1997-11-01)
Looks good. I hope that Karl will confirm it.
Visible exactly the same time with the Kreutz comet reported by Michael Oates.


I haven't checked your C3 comet yet. (----003)



Regards,
Michal

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#2969 From: Michal Kusiak <komeciarz@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:05 am
Subject: double cofirmation 		komeciarz
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Apologies, for double confirmation.
I had some problem with report form, so I submitted one more time the same
report.
Jiangao's C2 Kreutz (04:36:44) looks good.

Regards,
Michal

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#2970 From: 建高 阮 <ruanjiangao@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:41 am
Subject: double cofirmation 		ruanjiangao
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Hi Michal,
 
Thanks for your confirmation.
I have the same problem when I report the C3 comet at Nov 16 2009 11:36:53.
 
Jiangao Ruan


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#2971 From: 建高 阮 <ruanjiangao@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:43 am
Subject: Kreutz comet in the C3 images of 1997/08/31 		ruanjiangao
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Hi all and Karl,
 
When finish search  the images of August,1997,I found this,look very nice.
 
1997/08/31
 
32018515_2.gif (905,742)
32018517_2.gif (894,736)
32018518_2.gif (888,731)
32018519_2.gif (882,727)
32018520_2.gif (878,724)
32018521_2.gif (875,721)
32018526_2.gif (864,714)
32018527_2.gif (857,709)
 
Regards`
Jiangao Ruan


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#2972 From: "Toni Scarmato" <toniscarmato@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:28 pm
Subject: non group comet in C3 		toniscarmato...
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Dear all,

this appear a bright non group comet in c3.

Further to my post of...
Images: C3; 1024x1024 images.
(0,0) Upper Left.
20091123     12:08:42
Non-group comet.
1242  584  649
1342  580  447
1418  576  645
1442  573  644
1518  571  641
--Toni ScarmatoIt is possible to follow it from the earth? Regards,Toni Scarmato

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#2973 From: "karlbattams" <karlbattams@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:18 pm
Subject: Re: non group comet in C3 		karlbattams
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Toni,

--- In sohohunter@yahoogroups.com, "Toni Scarmato" <toniscarmato@...> wrote:
> It is possible to follow it from the earth?

I can't even see it in C3, so it's unlikely to be visible from Earth! :)

Are you sure your coordinates are correct?  I see no comet there, and certainly
not a bright one.

Regards,
~~Karl

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#2974 From: "Toni Scarmato" <toniscarmato@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re: non group comet in C3 		toniscarmato...
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Hi Karl. <Toni,

<I can't even see it in C3, so it's unlikely to be visible from Earth! :)



Very strange

  I am able to see it just on 0818. The object is moving from right to left and
appear to point toward the sun in the last 4-5 images.

These are other posions.

  Further to my post of...
Images: C3; 1024x1024 images.
(0,0) Upper Left.
20091123     12:08:42
Non-group comet.1042  593  6521118  590  6501142  589  649
1218  586  6481242  584  649
1342  580  447
1418  576  645
1442  573  644
1518  571  641
<Are you sure your coordinates are correct? I see no comet there, and certainly
not a bright one.Yes, I am measuring other positions.Regards,Toni

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#2975 From: "Toni Scarmato" <toniscarmato@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: non group comet in C3 		toniscarmato...
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For the precision!
When I say "bright" one I intend with a magnitude around 9
Infact we have see more brighter comet!!!

Toni


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Subject: Re: [sohohunter] Re: non group comet in C3



Hi Karl. <Toni,

<I can't even see it in C3, so it's unlikely to be visible from Earth! :)

Very strange

I am able to see it just on 0818. The object is moving from right to left and
appear to point toward the sun in the last 4-5 images.

These are other posions.

Further to my post of...
Images: C3; 1024x1024 images.
(0,0) Upper Left.
20091123 12:08:42
Non-group comet.1042 593 6521118 590 6501142 589 649
1218 586 6481242 584 649
1342 580 447
1418 576 645
1442 573 644
1518 571 641
<Are you sure your coordinates are correct? I see no comet there, and certainly
not a bright one.Yes, I am measuring other positions.Regards,Toni

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#2976 From: Michal Kusiak <komeciarz@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: Re: non group comet in C3 		komeciarz
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Hi Toni and Karl,

I saw that Eryk confirmed this non-group in Sungrazer website.
For me comet looks good, but I would like to see it in C2, to be sure.
This non-group should be visible in C2 at ~15:54 UT.

Best wishes,
Michal

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> --- In sohohunter@yahoogroups.com, "Toni Scarmato" <toniscarmato@...> wrote:
> > It is possible to follow it from the earth?
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> I can't even see it in C3, so it's unlikely to be visible from Earth! :)
>
> Are you sure your coordinates are correct? I see no comet there, and certainly
not a bright one.
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> ~~Karl
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#2977 From: "Toni Scarmato" <toniscarmato@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: Re: non group comet in C3 		toniscarmato...
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Hi Michal, Karl and all.

Unfortunately actually the last C2 image is at 20:39
I hope that the other images are in delay, but there is also the possibility
that the comet re-appear in C3.

At soon
Toni


From: Michal Kusiak
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To: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com
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Hi Toni and Karl,

I saw that Eryk confirmed this non-group in Sungrazer website.
For me comet looks good, but I would like to see it in C2, to be sure.
This non-group should be visible in C2 at ~15:54 UT.

Best wishes,
Michal

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> > It is possible to follow it from the earth?
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> I can't even see it in C3, so it's unlikely to be visible from Earth! :)
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> Are you sure your coordinates are correct? I see no comet there, and certainly
not a bright one.
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#2978 From: Michal Kusiak <komeciarz@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: Re: non group comet in C3 		komeciarz
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Dear Karl, Toni and Group Members,

I measured 6 positions for this comet based in C3 images only.
My calcualtions are not certain (due to short time of observation), but I want
to show you my results:

Six astrometric positions (using Astrometrica Software, and SOHO
Vectors/Predictions):

     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.51267 15 47 56.0  -21 41 20                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.51267 2 -0.00145425 -0.00827991 -0.00307348        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.52934 15 48 06.9  -21 42 02                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.52934 2 -0.00145066 -0.00828100 -0.00307427        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.57101 15 48 36.9  -21 42 27                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.57101 2 -0.00143992 -0.00828426 -0.00307659        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.59601 15 48 58.6  -21 42 31                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.59601 2 -0.00143276 -0.00828642 -0.00307814        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.61267 15 49 13.7  -21 42 37                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.61267 2 -0.00142918 -0.00828750 -0.00307891        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.63779 15 49 32.9  -21 42 58                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.63779 2 -0.00142202 -0.00828966 -0.00308046        249


ORBITAL ELEMENTS:

Title: NONSCAR1

T=2009 Nov 23.98 TT;
Epoch 2009 Nov 24.0 TT = JDT 2455159.5
Earth MOID: 0.3832

q 0.01796
Peri 329.64
Node 44.21 (2000.0)
Incl. 120.89

H=21.5 n=4
RMS error 17.466 arcseconds


Residuals:
Date/Station/Values

09 11 23.51267/ 249/ 10.2+   7.5+
09 11 23.52934/ 249/ 4.5-  14.4-
09 11 23.57101/ 249/ 22.5-   .45-
09 11 23.59601/ 249/ 3.5+   9.9+
09 11 23.61267/ 249/ 22.8+   9.1+
09 11 23.63779/ 249/ 9.4-  11.7-


Comet should enter first time in C2 FOV (with mag 8.0) at ~16:00 UT.
On the other side of Sun will be visible at ~2:00 UT (24.11.2009) (if he survive
the perihelion)

Best wishes,
Michal

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#2979 From: Michal Kusiak <komeciarz@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:07 pm
Subject: Re: Re: non group comet in C3 		komeciarz
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Dear Karl, Toni and Group Members,

I measured 6 positions for this comet based in C3 images only.
My calcualtions are not certain (due to short time of observation), but I want
to show you my results:

Six astrometric positions (using Astrometrica Software, and SOHO
Vectors/Predictions):

     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.51267 15 47 56.0  -21 41 20                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.51267 2 -0.00145425 -0.00827991 -0.00307348        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.52934 15 48 06.9  -21 42 02                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.52934 2 -0.00145066 -0.00828100 -0.00307427        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.57101 15 48 36.9  -21 42 27                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.57101 2 -0.00143992 -0.00828426 -0.00307659        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.59601 15 48 58.6  -21 42 31                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.59601 2 -0.00143276 -0.00828642 -0.00307814        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.61267 15 49 13.7  -21 42 37                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.61267 2 -0.00142918 -0.00828750 -0.00307891        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.63779 15 49 32.9  -21 42 58                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.63779 2 -0.00142202 -0.00828966 -0.00308046        249


ORBITAL ELEMENTS:

Title: NONSCAR1

T=2009 Nov 23.98 TT;
Epoch 2009 Nov 24.0 TT = JDT 2455159.5
Earth MOID: 0.3832

q 0.01796
Peri 329.64
Node 44.21 (2000.0)
Incl. 120.89

H=21.5 n=4
RMS error 17.466 arcseconds


Residuals:
Date/Station/Values

09 11 23.51267/ 249/ 10.2+   7.5+
09 11 23.52934/ 249/ 4.5-  14.4-
09 11 23.57101/ 249/ 22.5-   .45-
09 11 23.59601/ 249/ 3.5+   9.9+
09 11 23.61267/ 249/ 22.8+   9.1+
09 11 23.63779/ 249/ 9.4-  11.7-


Comet should enter first time in C2 FOV (with mag 8.0) at ~16:00 UT.
On the other side of Sun will be visible at ~2:00 UT (24.11.2009) (if he survive
the perihelion)


Toni. I don't think that your last report about further positions at 20:43-22:18
are correct

Best wishes,
Michal

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#2980 From: 建高 阮 <ruanjiangao@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:46 am
Subject: 回复： non group comet in C3 		ruanjiangao
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Hi Toni,
Good discovery~`
Maybe we can see it in the STEREO images ?
 
Jiangao~

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发件人: Toni Scarmato <toniscarmato@...>
主题: [sohohunter] non group comet in C3
收件人: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com
日期: 2009年11月24日,周二,上午1:28


 



Dear all,

this appear a bright non group comet in c3.

Further to my post of...
Images: C3; 1024x1024 images.
(0,0) Upper Left.
20091123 12:08:42
Non-group comet.
1242 584 649
1342 580 447
1418 576 645
1442 573 644
1518 571 641
--Toni ScarmatoIt is possible to follow it from the earth? Regards,Toni Scarmato

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#2981 From: "Toni Scarmato" <toniscarmato@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:10 am
Subject: Re: 回复： non group comet in C3 		toniscarmato...
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Hi Jiangao.

Thanks.  For stereo images I think that Alan is more expert for this previsions.

Toni


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Hi Toni,
Good discovery~`
Maybe we can see it in the STEREO images ?

Jiangao~

--- 09年11月24日，周二, Toni Scarmato <toniscarmato@...> 写道：

发件人: Toni Scarmato <toniscarmato@...>
主题: [sohohunter] non group comet in C3
收件人: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com
日期: 2009年11月24日,周二,上午1:28



Dear all,

this appear a bright non group comet in c3.

Further to my post of...
Images: C3; 1024x1024 images.
(0,0) Upper Left.
20091123 12:08:42
Non-group comet.
1242 584 649
1342 580 447
1418 576 645
1442 573 644
1518 571 641
--Toni ScarmatoIt is possible to follow it from the earth? Regards,Toni Scarmato

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#2982 From: "Toni Scarmato" <toniscarmato@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:13 am
Subject: Re: Re: non group comet in C3 		toniscarmato...
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Good work Michal.  The rms is high clearly due to the short time of observation.




From: Michal Kusiak
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:07 AM
To: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sohohunter] Re: non group comet in C3




<Dear Karl, Toni and Group Members,

<I measured 6 positions for this comet based in C3 images only.
<My calcualtions are not certain (due to short time of observation), but I want
to show you my results:

<Six astrometric positions (using Astrometrica Software, and SOHO
Vectors/Predictions):

NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.51267 15 47 56.0 -21 41 20 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.51267 2 -0.00145425 -0.00827991 -0.00307348 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.52934 15 48 06.9 -21 42 02 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.52934 2 -0.00145066 -0.00828100 -0.00307427 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.57101 15 48 36.9 -21 42 27 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.57101 2 -0.00143992 -0.00828426 -0.00307659 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.59601 15 48 58.6 -21 42 31 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.59601 2 -0.00143276 -0.00828642 -0.00307814 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.61267 15 49 13.7 -21 42 37 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.61267 2 -0.00142918 -0.00828750 -0.00307891 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.63779 15 49 32.9 -21 42 58 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.63779 2 -0.00142202 -0.00828966 -0.00308046 249

ORBITAL ELEMENTS:

Title: NONSCAR1

T=2009 Nov 23.98 TT;
Epoch 2009 Nov 24.0 TT = JDT 2455159.5
Earth MOID: 0.3832

q 0.01796
Peri 329.64
Node 44.21 (2000.0)
Incl. 120.89

H=21.5 n=4
RMS error 17.466 arcseconds

Residuals:
Date/Station/Values

09 11 23.51267/ 249/ 10.2+ 7.5+
09 11 23.52934/ 249/ 4.5- 14.4-
09 11 23.57101/ 249/ 22.5- .45-
09 11 23.59601/ 249/ 3.5+ 9.9+
09 11 23.61267/ 249/ 22.8+ 9.1+
09 11 23.63779/ 249/ 9.4- 11.7-

<Comet should enter first time in C2 FOV (with mag 8.0) at ~16:00 UT.
<On the other side of Sun will be visible at ~2:00 UT (24.11.2009) (if he
survive the perihelion)

<Toni. I don't think that your last report about further positions at
20:43-22:18 are correct


Ok, we wait if the comet re-appear in C3, naturally as you sayd if survive at
the perielion.



Regards,

Toni


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#2983 From: "W.-t. Hsu" <wentaopachacoti@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Re: non group comet in C3 		wentaopachacoti
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Hi Toni,

I think it is the low resolution of LASCO C3 images to be blamed for the great
residual. I find that the position measured in Astrometrica with STEREO and SOHO
images is tend to interfered by noises or other dots brighter than the
background value.

Cheers,
WenTao
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#2984 From: "Toni Scarmato" <toniscarmato@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:26 pm
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Hi Wen.

Yes, I agree, the low resolution is one of the causes of great residuals.
There is also the probably that the comet is too fainter to see in stereo or not
pass in the fiels.

Regards,
Toni


From: W.-t. Hsu
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:38 PM
To: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sohohunter] Re: non group comet in C3



Hi Toni,

I think it is the low resolution of LASCO C3 images to be blamed for the great
residual. I find that the position measured in Astrometrica with STEREO and SOHO
images is tend to interfered by noises or other dots brighter than the
background value.

Cheers,
WenTao
*******************************************************
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(Man-To Hui, Wen-Tao Hsu)
+23deg09m12s, +113deg18m54s
Guangzhou, China Mainland
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#2985 From: Michal Kusiak <komeciarz@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:55 pm
Subject: Re: Re: non group comet in C3 - UPDATE 		komeciarz
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Hi Everyone,

It looks that my first calculations were 'quite correct'.
I made upadte of orbit, including next three c2 positions.

     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.51267 15 47 56.0  -21 41 20                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.51267 2 -0.00145425 -0.00827991 -0.00307348        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.52934 15 48 06.9  -21 42 02                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.52934 2 -0.00145066 -0.00828100 -0.00307427        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.57101 15 48 36.9  -21 42 27                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.57101 2 -0.00143992 -0.00828426 -0.00307659        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.59601 15 48 58.6  -21 42 31                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.59601 2 -0.00143276 -0.00828642 -0.00307814        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.61267 15 49 13.7  -21 42 37                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.61267 2 -0.00142918 -0.00828750 -0.00307891        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.63779 15 49 32.9  -21 42 58                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.63779 2 -0.00142202 -0.00828966 -0.00308046        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.66271 15 49 57.7  -21 42 20                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.66271 2 -0.00141670 -0.00829128 -0.00308161        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.68772 15 50 22.6  -21 41 38                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.68772 2 -0.00140949 -0.00829342 -0.00308315        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.70438 15 50 42.0  -21 41 02                        249
     NONSCAR1   2009 11 23.70438 2 -0.00140592 -0.00829449 -0.00308392        249



Orbital elements:

Perihelion: 2009 Nov 23.92
Epoch 2009 Nov 24.0 TT = JDT 2455159.5
Earth MOID: 0.4672

q 0.02448
e=1
Peri. 318.43
Node 46.17
Incl. 126.06


Residuals:

Date / Station / Values
09 11 23.51267,  249, 5.5+   4.0+
09 11 23.52934,  249, 3.7-  14.2-
09 11 23.57101,  249, 15.2-   4.4+
09 11 23.59601,  249, 8.8+  13.5+
09 11 23.61267,  249, 24.0+  10.0+
09 11 23.63779,  249, 19.0-  18.1-
09 11 23.66271,  249, 2.5-   1.8-
09 11 23.68772,  249, 9.2-   1.4+
09 11 23.70438,  249, 11.3+   .74+


Best wishes,
Michal

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#2986 From: "Toni Scarmato" <toniscarmato@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:29 pm
Subject: Re: Re: non group comet in C3 - UPDATE 		toniscarmato...
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Hi Michal.  Do you have detected the comet in C2?

Regards,
Toni


From: Michal Kusiak
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:55 AM
To: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sohohunter] Re: non group comet in C3 - UPDATE




Hi Everyone,

It looks that my first calculations were 'quite correct'.
I made upadte of orbit, including next three c2 positions.

NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.51267 15 47 56.0 -21 41 20 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.51267 2 -0.00145425 -0.00827991 -0.00307348 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.52934 15 48 06.9 -21 42 02 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.52934 2 -0.00145066 -0.00828100 -0.00307427 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.57101 15 48 36.9 -21 42 27 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.57101 2 -0.00143992 -0.00828426 -0.00307659 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.59601 15 48 58.6 -21 42 31 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.59601 2 -0.00143276 -0.00828642 -0.00307814 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.61267 15 49 13.7 -21 42 37 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.61267 2 -0.00142918 -0.00828750 -0.00307891 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.63779 15 49 32.9 -21 42 58 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.63779 2 -0.00142202 -0.00828966 -0.00308046 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.66271 15 49 57.7 -21 42 20 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.66271 2 -0.00141670 -0.00829128 -0.00308161 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.68772 15 50 22.6 -21 41 38 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.68772 2 -0.00140949 -0.00829342 -0.00308315 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.70438 15 50 42.0 -21 41 02 249
NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.70438 2 -0.00140592 -0.00829449 -0.00308392 249

Orbital elements:

Perihelion: 2009 Nov 23.92
Epoch 2009 Nov 24.0 TT = JDT 2455159.5
Earth MOID: 0.4672

q 0.02448
e=1
Peri. 318.43
Node 46.17
Incl. 126.06

Residuals:

Date / Station / Values
09 11 23.51267, 249, 5.5+ 4.0+
09 11 23.52934, 249, 3.7- 14.2-
09 11 23.57101, 249, 15.2- 4.4+
09 11 23.59601, 249, 8.8+ 13.5+
09 11 23.61267, 249, 24.0+ 10.0+
09 11 23.63779, 249, 19.0- 18.1-
09 11 23.66271, 249, 2.5- 1.8-
09 11 23.68772, 249, 9.2- 1.4+
09 11 23.70438, 249, 11.3+ .74+

Best wishes,
Michal





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#2987 From: Michal Kusiak <komeciarz@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: Re: non group comet in C3 - UPDATE 		komeciarz
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> Hi Michal. Do you have detected the comet in C2?
>
> Regards,
> Toni
>
>
>


Hi Toni,

Your comet was visible in LASCO C2 images from 2009-11-23, 15:54 - 17:54 UT

Nov 24 2009 16:54:31
Known comet now entering:
Images: C2; 1024x1024 images.
(0,0) Upper Left.
20091123
    Non-group comet.
1554  795  1017
1606  789  1014
--Michal Kusiak



These three positions show the location in LASCO C2:

> NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.66271 15 49 57.7 -21 42 20 249
> NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.66271 2 -0.00141670 -0.00829128 -0.00308161 249
> NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.68772 15 50 22.6 -21 41 38 249
> NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.68772 2 -0.00140949 -0.00829342 -0.00308315 249
> NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.70438 15 50 42.0 -21 41 02 249
> NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.70438 2 -0.00140592 -0.00829449 -0.00308392 249



I haven't found your comet yet, on the other side of sun.
I think that he didn't survive the perihelion.

Best regards,
Michal

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#2988 From: "Toni Scarmato" <toniscarmato@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:51 pm
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Many thanks Michal.

Toni


From: Michal Kusiak
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:50 PM
To: sohohunter@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sohohunter] Re: non group comet in C3 - UPDATE




>
> Hi Michal. Do you have detected the comet in C2?
>
> Regards,
> Toni
>
>
>

Hi Toni,

Your comet was visible in LASCO C2 images from 2009-11-23, 15:54 - 17:54 UT

Nov 24 2009 16:54:31
Known comet now entering:
Images: C2; 1024x1024 images.
(0,0) Upper Left.
20091123
Non-group comet.
1554 795 1017
1606 789 1014
--Michal Kusiak

These three positions show the location in LASCO C2:

> NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.66271 15 49 57.7 -21 42 20 249
> NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.66271 2 -0.00141670 -0.00829128 -0.00308161 249
> NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.68772 15 50 22.6 -21 41 38 249
> NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.68772 2 -0.00140949 -0.00829342 -0.00308315 249
> NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.70438 15 50 42.0 -21 41 02 249
> NONSCAR1 2009 11 23.70438 2 -0.00140592 -0.00829449 -0.00308392 249

I haven't found your comet yet, on the other side of sun.
I think that he didn't survive the perihelion.

Best regards,
Michal





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