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8290
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malcolm
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Jun 7, 2008
4:58 pm
8291
I came across this online the other day. This article describes paper with a strength of 230 Mpa...enough to build a space elevator? ...
hetrevillion
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Jun 12, 2008
9:26 pm
8292
That is strong for paper, but way less than Kevlar (~3,000 Mpa) Here is a better link to the article: http://tinyurl.com/3toflo Jolly Roger Curnow ;-)X ...
roger curnow
rogertheunbe...
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Jun 13, 2008
3:47 pm
8293
... You need a minimum of 40 GPa, 40,000MPa usable tensile strength together with a relative density of about 2.5 to make a space elevator. So no, you would...
Ian Woollard
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Jun 13, 2008
6:51 pm
8294
... You mean, to make a standard model elevator. Building a lunar L1 elevator even long enough to scrape our atmosphere is possible with existing materials...
Kerry
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Jun 13, 2008
7:42 pm
8295
... Oh, for a lunar elevator, sure. ... If by 'scrape our atmosphere' you mean get within ~100km of the Earth, I'm afraid that that's not possible with a...
Ian Woollard
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Jun 13, 2008
8:20 pm
8296
... The idea doesn't really make sense anyway. The distance from the Earth to the Moon varies by about 50,000 km. That's a lot of reeling in or reeling out to...
Robert Munck
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Jun 13, 2008
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8297
... What, you mean you're not willing to send up construction materials by the gigaton instead of just by the ton? ;-) ... Kerry...
Kerry
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Jun 13, 2008
10:43 pm
8298
... 42,000. ... It is, and that's the worst problem I've seen for a cislunar spanning elevator. It would require reeling part of it in and out at a rate of ...
Kerry
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Jun 13, 2008
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8299
A lunar space elevator could run through L1 and havee its "high point" on the Earth side of L1 some distance further; the Earth's gravity would help...
Ed Minchau
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Jun 14, 2008
12:42 am
8300
... It pretty much has to go beyond L1, doesn't it? You don't get a net upward force until you're high enough that centripetal overcomes gravity and, given how...
Robert Munck
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Jun 14, 2008
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8301
... You mean centrifugal, not centripetal (the Earth-moon system is easiest to analyse in a rotating reference frame- centrifugal force is 'real' in that...
Ian Woollard
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Jun 14, 2008
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8302
... I'm not sure what you mean by "it" in this sentence. A luna-synchronous orbit? That would be an orbit around the Moon in which a satellite stays...
Robert Munck
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Jun 14, 2008
2:43 am
8303
... L1 and L2 *are* lunasynchronous orbits. They're somewhat unstable, but not ridiculously so, and it turns out that they're stable enough to support space...
Ian Woollard
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Jun 14, 2008
2:56 am
8304
... Actually, Earth's gravity would have to *counteract* the centripetal force trying to push the entire lunar elevator towards the moon. The earth/moon...
Kerry
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Jun 14, 2008
3:27 am
8305
In a message dated 6/13/2008 10:27:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, kerrywilliams@... writes: "And then there's the lunar H3 that we'd be given instant...
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Jun 14, 2008
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8306
... I don't think your wording there is quite correct. A near-side lunar SE is supported by the counterweight being in an area where the Earth's gravity...
Robert Munck
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Jun 14, 2008
3:36 am
8307
... The earth/moon barycenter is within the earth, but I think I just said that. ... Exactly. Sort of. ... I just uploaded one to the files section It's in the...
Kerry
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Jun 14, 2008
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8308
... Yeah, you could ask him, or you could read the wikipedia and look at the picture of precisely that, that somebody already made ;-) ...
Ian Woollard
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Jun 14, 2008
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8309
... Good point, thanks. ... No, to get to the *tip* of the L1 elevator you just need 100 km of altitude with a ground speed of just over mach 1. It's fairly...
Kerry
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Jun 14, 2008
3:49 am
8310
... Actually centri - petal means "center - seeking". In this context Earths gravity is (more or less) the centripetal force. The centrifugal ("center...
Ian Woollard
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Jun 14, 2008
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8311
... Oops. Yeah, sorry. ... Kerry...
Kerry
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Jun 14, 2008
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8312
... Unfortunately, not without CNTs. And even with CNTs I'm pretty sure that the taper ratio is actually worse than the normal space elevator if you try to go...
Ian Woollard
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Jun 14, 2008
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8313
... No reason there can't be bunches, placed just about wherever you want. And interconnected for multiple redundancy, among other things. ... No kidding!...
Kerry
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Jun 14, 2008
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8314 John007hi
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8315
http://xkcd.com/123/ ... From: Ian Woollard &lt;ian.woollard@...&gt; Subject: Re: [space-elevator] Cislunar Elevator To: space-elevator@yahoogroups.com ...
Ed Minchau
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Jun 14, 2008
3:50 pm
8316
... Invoking xkcd in a discussion is a kind of reverse Godwin's Law; it ends the discussion, but in a GOOD way. http://xkcd.com/261/ Bob Munck...
Robert Munck
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Jun 14, 2008
5:30 pm
8317
All discussion of Lunar based space elevator should includes Jerome Pearsons work http://www.spaceelevator.com/docs/iac-2004/iac-04- iaa.3.8.3.07.pearson.pdf ...
Herbert Murray
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Jun 15, 2008
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8318
... In terms of relative ease of acquisition, terrestrial versus lunar, it doesn't matter which he means. 3-He would be easier to make via D-D fusion, or from...
csceadraham
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Jun 15, 2008
5:46 pm
8319
I've been following the discussion on the Lunar Space Elevator idea. While it sounds intriquing, I suspect we'll see a mass driver approach to delivering lunar...
robert owen
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Jul 7, 2008
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