Don't forget that in a Littrow design you have to squeeze two beams through the same lens and they have to be slightly offset which needs a slightly wider aperture. Also the length of the grating is important at high tilt angles as well as the width. If you look at the LHIRE optical layout you can see what happens
I thought, as per the Shelyak LiHires description that the collimating lens used in the LihiresIII was a 30mm fl 200mm lens. This appears to give a clear aperture of 29mm so effectively a f6.7. The gratings sizes seem to bear this out? At f10 the exit pupil would be 200/10 = 20mm... I agree the webpage states "f8 to f12"
The Lhires III is 'usable' in the f/8 to f/12 range but optimised for f/10 (not f/8).
Bernard
--- In spectro-l@yahoogroups.com, Ken Harrison <kenm.harrison@...> wrote: > > Robin, you're correct... I keep forgetting that the LihiresIII is an f8 > instrument! >
Understood. This angular off set ( about 2 degrees) is taken into acount. Where I went wrong was the size of the grating in the HiresIII, I thought from some of the early drawings I saw that it was a 30mm grating.
The 25mm grating size now makes everything clearer.
On 19/11/2009, Robin Leadbeater <robin@...> wrote:
Hi Ken,
Don't forget that in a Littrow design you have to squeeze two beams through the same lens and they have to be slightly offset which needs a slightly wider aperture. Also the length of the grating is important at high tilt angles as well as the width. If you look at the LHIRE optical layout you can see what happens
I thought, as per the Shelyak LiHires description that the collimating lens used in the LihiresIII was a 30mm fl 200mm lens. This appears to give a clear aperture of 29mm so effectively a f6.7. The gratings sizes seem to bear this out? At f10 the exit pupil would be 200/10 = 20mm... I agree the webpage states "f8 to f12"
The Lhires III is 'usable' in the f/8 to f/12 range but optimised for f/10 (not f/8).
Bernard
--- In spectro-l@yahoogroups.com, Ken Harrison <kenm.harrison@...> wrote:
> > Robin, you're correct... I keep forgetting that the LihiresIII is an f8 > instrument! >
Not sure about the latest model but the original holders could take up to 50x50 which is why Lothar was able to fit a larger grating to go to f6. With my f9 VC200L I use a 25x50 2400 and 25x25 600 and 150 gratings
Understood. This angular off set ( about 2 degrees) is taken into acount. Where I went wrong was the size of the grating in the HiresIII, I thought from some of the early drawings I saw that it was a 30mm grating.
The 25mm grating size now makes everything clearer.
On 19/11/2009, Robin Leadbeater <robin@...> wrote:
Hi Ken,
Don't forget that in a Littrow design you have to squeeze two beams through the same lens and they have to be slightly offset which needs a slightly wider aperture. Also the length of the grating is important at high tilt angles as well as the width. If you look at the LHIRE optical layout you can see what happens
I thought, as per the Shelyak LiHires description that the collimating lens used in the LihiresIII was a 30mm fl 200mm lens. This appears to give a clear aperture of 29mm so effectively a f6.7. The gratings sizes seem to bear this out? At f10 the exit pupil would be 200/10 = 20mm... I agree the webpage states "f8 to f12"
The Lhires III is 'usable' in the f/8 to f/12 range but optimised for f/10 (not f/8).
Bernard
--- In spectro-l@yahoogroups.com, Ken Harrison <kenm.harrison@...> wrote: > > Robin, you're correct... I keep forgetting that the LihiresIII is an f8 > instrument! >
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Hello tous,
Un message rapide pour vous informer que Philippe Stee (Obs. de la Cote
d'Azur) vient de mettre en ligne sur ArasBeam une demande d'observation
(urgente...) de Gam Cas pour calibrer des données CHARA/VEGA.
Vous trouverez les infos sur http://arasbeam.free.fr/?lang=fr
ArasBeam est maintenant ouvert à plusieurs auteurs (dites-moi si vous
voulez en faire partie). L'activité du site va donc s'animer (chouette ! ).
Pour info, Il y a aujourd'hui 9102 spectres amateur dans BeSS / ArasBeam !
Amicalement,
François
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Hello all,
A short message to tell you that Philippe Stee (Obs de la cote d'Azur)
just put an (urgent...) Gam Cas observation request on ArasBeam, to
calibrate spectro data from CHARA / VEGA.
All informations are on http://arasbeam.free.fr/?lang=en
ArasBeam is now open to several authors (tell me if you want such an
access). The website activity will increase (great !).
For your information, there is 9102 amateur spectra in BeSS / ArasBeam
today !
Friendly,
François.
Bonsoir,
Les caracteristiques d'une calibration lineaire decrite par Lambda=a+b*pixel
sont stoquees dans les mots clef suivant :
crval1=lambda au pixel de reference
cdelt1=dispersion
crpix1=pixel de reference
La longueur d'onde se calcule donc relativement par rapport au pixel de
reference soit :
Lambda(pixel)=crval1+cdelt1*(pixel-crpix1)
Cependant, il semble que tous les logiciels ne lisent pas de la meme maniere les
profils de raies calibres. Un exemple avec le spectre du neon au 1200 t/mm et
KAF1600 avec Specview (NASA), Midas (ESO) et SpcAudace (AUDE). Voir images
jointes.
On constate que Midas et SpcAudace donnent le maximum de la raie du neon calibre
a la bonne longueur d'onde (6204.25 A) tandis que Specview a un pixel (0.34 A)
de decalage.
Donc a-t-on Europe 2, USA 0 ?
Valerie, Christian, any comments?
Je joins le profil au format fits gzippe.
Benjamin
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/ Handy Book to Science \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If it's green or it wiggles, it's biology. If it stinks, it's chemistry.
If it doesn't work, it's physics. If it's stubborn, it's a win-pc.
Informatique et enseignement: http://www.science.physique.free.fr/softs/
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:29:41 +0100
BM <bmauclaire@...> wrote:
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> On constate que Midas et SpcAudace donnent le maximum de la raie du neon
calibre a la bonne longueur d'onde (6204.25 A) tandis que
Correction, la longueur d'onde est 6402.25 A.
Benji
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/ Handy Book to Science \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If it's green or it wiggles, it's biology. If it stinks, it's chemistry.
If it doesn't work, it's physics. If it's stubborn, it's a win-pc.
Informatique et enseignement: http://www.science.physique.free.fr/softs/
A short message to tell you that Philippe Stee (Obs de la cote d'Azur)
just put an (urgent...) Gam Cas observation request on ArasBeam, to
calibrate spectro data from CHARA / VEGA.
All informations are on http://arasbeam.free.fr/?lang=en
ArasBeam is now open to several authors (tell me if you want such an
access). The website activity will increase (great !).
For your information, there is 9102 amateur spectra in BeSS / ArasBeam
today !
Un probable nouvel objet de type FU Orionis vient d'être découvert.
Il est à mag V = 12,6, avec une raie H alpha en émission. C'est faible mais à la
portée d'un star analyser. De plus la circulaire précise qu'il peut contiiernuer
à augmenter en luminosité. Peut-être sera t-il alors accessible en basse
résolution? A suivre ...
Bonnes observations
François Teyss
The Astronomer's Telegram http://www.astronomerstelegram.org
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Posted: Sat Nov 21 01:30:00 EST 2009 -- Sun Nov 22 01:30:00 EST 2009
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ATEL #2307 ATEL #2307
Title: Discovery of a likely FU-Ori-type system
Author: P. Wils (Vereniging Voor Sterrenkunde, Belgium), J. Greaves
(Northamptonshire, UK); M. Catelan (PUC, Chile); S.G. Djorgovski,
A.J. Drake, M.J. Graham, A.A. Mahabal, R. Williams (Caltech); E.C.
Beshore, S.M. Larson (LPL/UA); E. Christensen (Gemini Observatory)
Queries: ajd@...
Posted: 21 Nov 2009; 7:28 UT
Subjects: Infra-Red, Optical, Transients, Variables, Stars
We report the discovery of a possible FU-Ori-type eruption. The object
<a
href='http://nesssi.cacr.caltech.edu/catalina/20091110/911100070334153394.html'>\
CSS091110:060919-064155</a>
located at R.A. = 06h09m19.32s, Decl. = -06d41'55.4" (equinox 2000.0)
and coincident with the infrared source IRAS 06068-0641, was detected
by the Catalina Real-time Transient Survey (CRTS) on 10 November 2009.
It has been continuously brightening from at least early 2005 (when
it was mag 14.8 on unfiltered CCD images) to the present mag 12.6, and
may possibly brighten further. On recent images a faint cometary reflection
nebula is visible to the East. A spectrum (range 350-900nm) taken with the
SMARTS 1.5m-telescope on Cerro Tololo on 17 November shows H-alpha in emission,
all other Balmer lines and HeI (at 501.5nm) in absorption,and a very strong Ca
II infrared triplet in emission, confirming it to be a young stellar object.
The object lies inside a dark nebula to theSouth of the Mon R2 association,
and is likely related with it.
J'ai fait l'acquisition d'une Watek120.
Elle fonctionne bien avec le logiciel de capture fourni avec le grabber (Ulead
videostudio). L'image est très belle. Donc normalement,pas de problème avec la
caméra, le grabber et le pilote
Mais lorsque je lance la prévisualisation dans Iris (j'ai essayé également avec
audela), le système plante. Au redémarrage j'ai l'indication "le système a
récupéré d'une erreur sérieuse".
L'un d'entre vous a t-il des idées sur l'origine du problème ou la façon de le
résoudre? Y a t-il des réglages à faire au niveau pilote ou dans iris? Pour le
moment je n'ai touché à rien. Juste lancé la prévisualisation (qui par ailleurs
fonctionne correctement avec une webcam)
Merci d'avance pour vos réponses.
François Teyssier
Hi all, i sent some spectrum (Ha R=19000) from gam cas on Bess data base. Last one is from 22, November. Do you need more spectrum for out of observation period ? Best Thierry Garrel
Le , ernst-pollmann@... a écrit : > > > > > > > > > "Francois Cochard" francois.cochard@...> schrieb: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > A short message to tell you that Philippe Stee (Obs de la cote d'Azur) > > > just put an (urgent...) Gam Cas observation request on ArasBeam, to > > > calibrate spectro data from CHARA / VEGA. > > All informations are on http://arasbeam.free.fr/?lang=en > > > > ArasBeam is now open to several authors (tell me if you want such an > > > access). The website activity will increase (great !). > > > > For your information, there is 9102 amateur spectra in BeSS / ArasBeam > > > today ! > > > > Friendly, > > > > François. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Philippe, > > correspond your requirements, attached you can find three current spectra of gamma Cas. > > Hope they will help for calibration process in CHARA. > > > > Best wishes, > > Ernst > ------------------------------ > > ASPA - > Arbeitsgemeinschaft > Amateur-Astrospektroskopie > http://www.astrospectroscopy.de > > >
Voici quelques temps que j'utilise une feuille excel pour calculer le profil de la transmission atmosphérique et prendre en compte des paramètres tels que l'altitude du lieu d'observation, la distance zénitale de l'astre ou encore le AOD. Cette démarche fait suite à une excellente note technique écrite par Christian Buil sur le site ARAS (utile en spectroscopie basse résolution).
Lors d'Explor' Espace à Mandelieu j'ai eu l'occasion de discuter avec les "Nice People" et plus particulièrement avec Pierre Dubreuil. Ce dernier s'est proposé de coder mon tableau excel et d'en faire un petit exécutable que nous vous proposont à l'adresse ci dessous:
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Sujet : [vsnet-alert 11692] Bright eruptive object in Eridanus
Date : Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:21:57 +0900
De : Taichi Kato <tkato@...>
...
According to CBET 2050, Itagaki-san has discovered a bright (8.1 mag)
eruptive object in Eridanus (position 044754.21 -101043.1).
Although this object has been suggested to be a possible nova,
the object might also be a WZ Sge-type dwarf nova.
Spectroscopic and time-resolved photometric observations are urged.
Congrats for being faster, Eric!
Best regards
Torsten Hansen
--- In spectro-l@yahoogroups.com, Eric SARRAZIN <e_sarrazin@...> wrote:
>
> Bonsoir,
> Ci joint un spectre de la possible Nova dans Eridan. De belles raies de balmer
en émission.
> A+
> Eric
>
> Dear all,
> Please find enclosed a spectrum of the possible Nova in Eridan. Nice Balmer
emission lines.
> Best regards
> Eric
>
Hi Eric, Torsten
Have you reported your results, eg to observations@...
These could be the first spectra of this object. I do not think they look
like the spectrum of a dwarf nova in outburst
Robin
----- Original Message -----
From: "torsten_hansen1" <to.hansen@...>
To: <spectro-l@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:55 PM
Subject: [spectro-l] Re: spectre Nova Eridan
Congrats for being faster, Eric!
Best regards
Torsten Hansen
--- In spectro-l@yahoogroups.com, Eric SARRAZIN <e_sarrazin@...> wrote:
>
> Bonsoir,
> Ci joint un spectre de la possible Nova dans Eridan. De belles raies de
> balmer en émission.
> A+
> Eric
>
> Dear all,
> Please find enclosed a spectrum of the possible Nova in Eridan. Nice
> Balmer emission lines.
> Best regards
> Eric
>
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Yahoo! Groups Links
Sorry that e-mail address is an automated system for brightnesses, try
aavso@...
Robin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Leadbeater" <robin@...>
To: <spectro-l@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [spectro-l] Re: spectre Nova Eridan
>
> Hi Eric, Torsten
>
> Have you reported your results, eg to observations@...
> These could be the first spectra of this object. I do not think they look
> like the spectrum of a dwarf nova in outburst
>
> Robin
Bonjour à tous,
J'interviens pas très souvent, mais quand ça cause technique info... c'est pour
moi :-)))
Voir la page :
http://www.mecastronic.com/installation_grabbee.htm
C'est un problème d'installation du pilote.
Cordialement.
Mathieu SENEGAS
mathieu.senegas@...
SARL mécASTROnic (www.mecastronic.com)
Mathieu SENEGAS
3, rue du Gué
02120 LANDIFAY ET BERTAIGNEMONT
Livebox : 09 72 98 35 60
Tél./Fax: 03 23 60 65 10
RCS Vervins 44286902000036
----- Original Message -----
From: "Francois" <francois.teyssier@...>
To: <spectro-l@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 12:00 PM
Subject: [spectro-l] Probléme WATEK120 et IRIS/AUDELA
J'ai fait l'acquisition d'une Watek120.
Elle fonctionne bien avec le logiciel de capture fourni avec le grabber (Ulead
videostudio). L'image est très belle. Donc
normalement,pas de problème avec la caméra, le grabber et le pilote
Mais lorsque je lance la prévisualisation dans Iris (j'ai essayé également avec
audela), le système plante. Au redémarrage j'ai
l'indication "le système a récupéré d'une erreur sérieuse".
L'un d'entre vous a t-il des idées sur l'origine du problème ou la façon de le
résoudre? Y a t-il des réglages à faire au niveau
pilote ou dans iris? Pour le moment je n'ai touché à rien. Juste lancé la
prévisualisation (qui par ailleurs fonctionne correctement
avec une webcam)
Merci d'avance pour vos réponses.
François Teyssier
For your information, a thread on the Swiss Astronomical Group (SAG)
regarding echelle spectrograph which has been recently pointed in
another spectroscopy newsgroup.
Regarding the use of an echelle spectrograph and our off-the-shelf
eShel, I would recommend Christian Buil
overall
review of his
eShel: http://astrosurf.com/buil/eshel3/review.htm
-- Olivier Thizy
Shelyak Instruments
Address: Les Roussets, 38420 Revel, France
Phone: +33.(0)4.76.41.36.81
Mobile: +33.(0)6.89.92.74.23
Web: http://www.shelyak.com
...vous ne verrez plus les étoiles comme avant !
-------- Message original --------
Here is an interesting thread concerning echelle design of an amateur
spectrograph.
http://tinyurl.com/yhexghr
It is a (google translated) thread from the spectroscopy section of the
Swiss (SAG) forum. it addresses some of the design issues and also includes
links to relevant threads on the VdS forum.
Robin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Leadbeater" <robin@...>
To: <amateur_spectroscopy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [amateur_spectroscopy] Time for some 'new' spectrograph
designs?
>
> Hi Nytecam,
>
> Here is bit more info on the application of echelle designs for the
> amateur.
>
Thanks Robin for that email adress. I did report that observation this morning.
Let me know if you have any informations.
Clear skies
Eric
--- On Fri, 27/11/09, Robin Leadbeater <robin@...> wrote:
> From: Robin Leadbeater <robin@...>
> Subject: Re: [spectro-l] Re: spectre Nova Eridan
> To: spectro-l@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 27 November, 2009, 0:15
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Salut!
Juste une petite page pour vous raconter comment une fausse raie d'émission
aurait pu s'inviter hier soir sur le spectre de la possible nova dans Eridan.
http://e.sarrazin.free.fr/spectro/anim_nova_eridan.htm
Donc mefiez vous des étoiles!
A+
Eric
Hi!
Just a small webpage to let you know how a star might have been transformed into
an emission line on the yesterday possible nova spectrum.
http://e.sarrazin.free.fr/spectro/anim_nova_eridan.htm
Regards
Eric