hello,
I am leading a trip to Speeton on Sunday 20th July as a tribute to
Lynden Emery, who died earlier this year.
Lynden inspired me to create the "Friends" as we often used to joke
about the people with a stange affliction who wandered around the beach
muttering combinations of letters and numbers such as "C7A",  "D2D",
and "LB2AI" to themselves and anyone else who wanders past. We called
these special people the "Friends of the Speeton Clay!"
Do come along. I have copied some pages out of Lynden's research for
those attending. So please let me know if you plan to be there.
Lynden's widow, Ann, plans to attend.
cheers, Mike

hello,
Have the storms over the last few months cleaned up the exposures at
Speeton or made them worse?
best wishes,
Mike

I went on a "scouting outing" with another member of our club here in
Alabama to check out some sites for future field trips.  We went into
an area of the state that has a lot of spoil piles from abandoned
strip mining and struck gold (as it were.)
I put some pictures up here of the specimens found, all rather
quickly, I might add, in one pile. (It was getting late and we were
DEEP in the wilds of what is now a game preserve.  Safety zone,
fortunately!)
http://web.mac.com/carlowville707/iWeb/Site/walker%20county.html
If anybody ever heads our way, I'd be delighted to serve as a guide
and introduce them to our group.
Nancy C.

Hi, I am a member of the Birmingham (Alabama) Paleontology club and am
keen to know more about the York sites.   I was in Whitby three years
ago and picked a lovely ammonite out of the river bed.  Since then, I
have been very eager to go back and would love to get together with
somebody who'd like to go to some sites with me later this summer.  We
always come for the last two weeks of the BBC Proms, especially for
"Last Night."  I wouldn't mind missing a couple of concerts to run up
there and hunt.
It would just be nice to meet some UK enthousiasts both online and
in-person.
thanks,  Nancy Lea
Our website, by the way, is here, and features field trip reports and
lots of photos.
http://www.bps-al.org/

Hello All,
I propose a joint meeting with members of the HGS on Sunday 15th July.
I hope to persuade Jack Doyle to come along to lead it.
Meet at the cliff top car park at Reighton at 10-30 am. Bring a hard
hat, packed lunch and fossil collection equipment; if the weather has
been wet before the meeting you are advised to wear wellingtons.
It would help if you let me know if you are going to be there.
cheers, Mike


--- In speeton@yahoogroups.com, "sea_king4" <sea_king4@...> wrote:
>
> --- In speeton@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Horne" <mike@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello to all "Friends of the Speeton Clay",
> > I had an idea that it could be fun to actually have a "Friends"
> field
> > trip to Speeton this summer. Is anyone interested?
> > best wishes, Mike.
> >
>
>
> I would love to visit, any idea of proposed dates yet?
>

--- In speeton@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Horne" <mike@...> wrote:
>
> Hello to all "Friends of the Speeton Clay",
> I had an idea that it could be fun to actually have a "Friends"
field
> trip to Speeton this summer. Is anyone interested?
> best wishes, Mike.
>


I would love to visit, any idea of proposed dates yet?

Hello to all "Friends of the Speeton Clay",
I had an idea that it could be fun to actually have a "Friends" field
trip to Speeton this summer. Is anyone interested?
best wishes, Mike.

Hello to all "Friends of the Speeton Clay",
I had an idea that it could be fun to actually have a "Friends" field
trip to Speeton this summer. Is anyone interested?
best wishes, Mike.

Have a good Christmas everyone!
cheers, Mike.

Thank you for the information.



Ordering books today.


The Yorkshire coast is handy for me, and a favourite holiday area of
mine, as I live Nr Boston in Lincolnshire, so all of the
recommendations work on several levels.

--- In speeton@yahoogroups.com, "sea_king4" <sea_king4@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend any books, pamphlets etc about the Speeton area
> please?
>
> I am new to fossils/geology etc but very keen to learn.
>

Hi, there is some useful information in the following:-

Geology Explained - Yorkshire Dales and Yorkshire Coast - Derek
Brumhead  pp166 to 169

Geology of the Yorkshire Coast - Stephen Young (1978) - pp81 to 89

Geology and Mineral Resources of Yorkshire - Raymer & Hemingway - pp225
to 235 (Cretaceous - J.W.Neale)

--- In speeton@yahoogroups.com, "sea_king4" <sea_king4@...> wrote:
>

Seem to be having trouble posting - I'll try this again-

Mike Horne's web site "Friends of the Speeton Clay" is an excellent
resource.

AFAIK there is no specific book on the Speeton clay - unlike other
exposures such as the Oxford Clay and Creataceous Chalk. Most of it
is in scientific journals such as the Proceedings of the Geologists
Association etc. Main authors are Lamplugh, Peter Rawson, Jack Doyle
(Ammonites) and Mutterlose & Mitchell (Belemnites).

There is an excellent chapter in "The Yorkshire Coast" - Geologists
Association Guide No. 34 by Peter Rawson and J K Wright.

Chris Traxon has also written a guide available to buy on-line

http://www.fossilsfromtheuk.co.uk/

Try a google search for Heritage Books - they sometimes have off-
prints of Journals.

Hope this is of some help



> Can anyone recommend any books, pamphlets etc about the Speeton
area
> please?
>
> I am new to fossils/geology etc but very keen to learn.
>

--- In speeton@yahoogroups.com, "sea_king4" <sea_king4@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend any books, pamphlets etc about the Speeton area
> please?
>
> I am new to fossils/geology etc but very keen to learn.
>

Can anyone recommend any books, pamphlets etc about the Speeton area
please?

I am new to fossils/geology etc but very keen to learn.

I was reading the board upside down, Didn't realise the latest posts
were at the borrom, sorry.

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From: atkin_fred

To: speeton@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 6:37 PM

Subject: [Friends of Speeton Clay] East Coast

hi, i am currently an A2 student in aid of some help with a geology
project that i have to produce. i hope to analyse the tills on the
coast and interpret the origins and composition of the rock. It would
be fantastic if i could get some help on the places where there is till
exposure. If there any anomalies that are of relation to my project it
would be fantastic to know about them!!! thanx fred

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Hello Fred,
The Till is exposed on the coast from Bridlington to Spurn. Not all
places have safe access and never work with an incoming tide. There
are three Tills - Basement, Skipsea and Withernsea. They are sublty
different.
Good luck with the project,
Rgda, Mike


--- In speeton@yahoogroups.com, "atkin_fred" <atkin_fred@...> wrote:
>
> hi, i am currently an A2 student in aid of some help with a geology
> project that i have to produce. i hope to analyse the tills on the
> coast and interpret the origins and composition of the rock. It would
> be fantastic if i could get some help on the places where there is till
> exposure. If there any anomalies that are of relation to my project it
> would be fantastic to know about them!!! thanx fred
>

hi, i am currently an A2 student in aid of some help with a geology
project that i have to produce. i hope to analyse the tills on the
coast and interpret the origins and composition of the rock. It would
be fantastic if i could get some help on the places where there is till
exposure. If there any anomalies that are of relation to my project it
would be fantastic to know about them!!! thanx fred

hello Jamie,
Not really. The Speeton Clay is of Early Cretaceous age. There me some
derived Jurassic fossils in bit, but I don't really know of any. It
does sit on Upper Jurassic Clay (known as Kimmeridge Clay to many but
that name may not be appropriate) which contains numerous crushed
ammonites.
cheers, Mike



--- In speeton@yahoogroups.com, "jamie jordan" <fossil_kid_2005uk@...>
wrote:
>
> hey Mike
> Do you find jurassic fossils in the speeton clay ? plus i really like
> your website good job :)
>

hey Mike
Do you find jurassic fossils in the speeton clay ? plus i really like
your website good job :)

Sorry, meant Palaeontological Association not Society

Friends may wish to know that the Palaeontolgy Society has made
freely avaialble back issues of its Journal - a number of which
would be of interest to Speeton members. Vist:

http://www.palass.org/

and follow the link to the download portal. Keyword searches
using "speeton" in the title field will bring up immediately
relevant papers. Try "rawson" and "doyle" for author field searches.

There is also much of general interest here including original
papers by Whittington, Conway-Morris, Briggs and Budd and many
others.

Having access to these papers has enabled me to confirm the identity
of the rather nice belemnite I collected at Speeton. It is almost
certainly Acroteuthis conoides (Swinnerton) - see

"The belemnite Acroteuthis in the Hibolites beds (Hauterivian–
Barremian) of north-west Europe" VOLUME 30· PART 3 AUGUST 1987 J.
Mutterlose, G. Pinckney and P. F. Rawson.

I have previously posted pictures of it in this forum.

All credit to Jack Doyle who identified it as such without actually
having seen it. So its not Oxyteuthis or Aulacoteuthis at all. Very
special nevertheless.

Also, the fossil wood inclusions I previously posted about are
almost certainly boring bivalve molluscs:

(see my pictures in comparison to the paper by J. S. Crampton "A new
species of Late Cretaceous wood-boring bivalve from New
Zealand "VOLUME 33· PART 4 · NOVEMBER 1990

All credit to Mike Horne who suggested that this is what they where.

Hope this is of some interest

Regards

Hello,
Erratics derived from the Speeton Clay are not uncommon in
Holderness. At certain places along the coast they are very common. I
remember finding all 4 zonal belemnites at Hornsea in ten minutes
once!
For lists of the erratics I have recorded - visit -
<http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/ecolodge/60/holdhome.htm>.
I have recently been plotting the distribution of erratics onto maps.
BUT remember that the Speeton Clay erratics cannot all come from
Speeton, most are probably derived from exposures under the North Sea.
cheers, Mike.



--- In speeton@yahoogroups.com, "tabfish.atthewaterside"
<tabfish@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all
> Speeton erratics 'what you may say' but it's true, on the
Holderness
> coast you find material from the Upper,Middle,Lower Jurrasic,
> Cretaceous, (Oxfordian, Kimmeridgian, Calovian, Hauterivian etc)
the
> list is not endless but if you like rocks and minerals then we will
> have to go into another 'area'.
> Is it easy to find these fossils on the Holderness coast? I must
say
> no because of nature.
> Tide sizes - wind directions - sand on beach - energy in the sea
all
> have a bearing on the conditions of the beach and rock fields that
> are exposed.
> It helps a lot it you live near the coast - can see the beach, and
> in my case I have been an angler for over 40 years - so
> understanding the tides and the power in the sea helps a lot.
> Has any one else found fossils from Speeton on the H.C?.
> Regards tabfish.atthewaterside
>

Hello all
Speeton erratics 'what you may say' but it's true, on the Holderness
coast you find material from the Upper,Middle,Lower Jurrasic,
Cretaceous, (Oxfordian, Kimmeridgian, Calovian, Hauterivian etc) the
list is not endless but if you like rocks and minerals then we will
have to go into another 'area'.
Is it easy to find these fossils on the Holderness coast? I must say
no because of nature.
Tide sizes - wind directions - sand on beach - energy in the sea all
have a bearing on the conditions of the beach and rock fields that
are exposed.
It helps a lot it you live near the coast - can see the beach, and
in my case I have been an angler for over 40 years - so
understanding the tides and the power in the sea helps a lot.
Has any one else found fossils from Speeton on the H.C?.
Regards tabfish.atthewaterside

--- In speeton@yahoogroups.com, "gnomon9992000" <nigel@...> wrote:
>
> I have posted some pictures of a fossil I found in the boulder
clay at
> Mappleton, south of the MOD ramp. It certainly looks like
vertebrate
> bone material and has a number of quite significant features. It
is
> roundish in section, about 9"  long but obviously part of
something
> much bigger. It is slightly curved along the long axis, the top
side
> has a pronounced crest or ridge  that terminates about half way
along
> (seen in section in one of the photos). The underside is slightly
> concave with two small "mounds" in the middle - but these are not
very
> clear in the pictures. I presume these may represent muscle
attachment
> points. It is certainly fossil - very heavy - not recent material -
it
> is solid rock. It also appears to have been hollow originally (and
> quite thin walled) and is now infilled with hard matrix that
contains
> some shelly material.
>
> It was eroding out of the boulder clay at beach level and within a
few
> feet where some ammonite fragments which I recognise as from
Speeton.
> In my experience material tends to stay together in the boulder
clay
> so I would guess that this fossil came from Speeton also. I
believe
> Iguanodon remains have been found at Speeton hence my speculation
of
> that genus. As far as I can tell it doesn't resemble any bones
from a
> marine reptile. As to which bone, I have no idea - possibly rib? ,
> humerus?  (could the crest be the deltopectoral ridge?) or pelvic
> structure?. I am pretty sure the the fossil has enough
characteristics
> for it to be diagnosed. I guess it needs looking at by a
professional.
>
> Anyone got any ideas?

Hello Nigel
I am sorry to say I do not think your find is dino material.
I think it is the same makeup as pyritic nodules (cannon balls) but
a different shape.
If you look at the end fragment you will see about a quarter of an
inch of concentrated iron pyrites that goe's around the piece.
On a cannon ball that usually contains an Eliganticeras eligantulum
(upper lias-involute oxycone ammonite)also from the Whitby area
deposited by the last ice age on the Holderness coast you find the
same type of material.
If you like to prepare your fossils that are covered in this
material you sand the outside with wet and dry sand paper course-
medium-fine then you apply it to a pollishing machine with various
grades of abrasive untill you finnish up with a gold sheine.
Safety note ---Iron pyrites turn to sulfuric acid when the dust
contacts water so gloves/glasses and a mask must be worn.
Do I see some glaciation marks on the surface of your specemen?.
Help !! My Amature Geologist site has now been in Russian for over a
year and as I am no good with computers I am strugaling to turn it
back to English, has any one got the same problem?.

>

Hello,
Because of recent messages that were not relevant to the group I have
reluctantly altered the settings so that messages from new members
will be "moderated" - i.e. checked to ensure they are relevant before
they are sent to members. Once new members have proved that they have
not just joined to send out spam or dubious adverts they will be
allowed to post un-moderated messages. This change may affect a few
existing members also, if you experience problems please contact me -
m.j.horne@... If veteran members would like to help to moderate
the group (this will speed up postings when I am on holiday for
instance), please do not hesitate to volunteer!
Cheers, Mike

I have posted some pictures of a fossil I found in the boulder clay at
Mappleton, south of the MOD ramp. It certainly looks like vertebrate
bone material and has a number of quite significant features. It is
roundish in section, about 9"  long but obviously part of something
much bigger. It is slightly curved along the long axis, the top side
has a pronounced crest or ridge  that terminates about half way along
(seen in section in one of the photos). The underside is slightly
concave with two small "mounds" in the middle - but these are not very
clear in the pictures. I presume these may represent muscle attachment
points. It is certainly fossil - very heavy - not recent material -it
is solid rock. It also appears to have been hollow originally (and
quite thin walled) and is now infilled with hard matrix that contains
some shelly material.

It was eroding out of the boulder clay at beach level and within a few
feet where some ammonite fragments which I recognise as from Speeton.
In my experience material tends to stay together in the boulder clay
so I would guess that this fossil came from Speeton also. I believe
Iguanodon remains have been found at Speeton hence my speculation of
that genus. As far as I can tell it doesn't resemble any bones from a
marine reptile. As to which bone, I have no idea - possibly rib? ,
humerus?  (could the crest be the deltopectoral ridge?) or pelvic
structure?. I am pretty sure the the fossil has enough characteristics
for it to be diagnosed. I guess it needs looking at by a professional.

Anyone got any ideas?

Hello,
Sadly, I have heard that Professor John Neale died on Friday 20th
January (2006).
John worked as a lecturer at Hull University, specialising in the
Speeton Clay and ostracods, until the closure of the Geology
Department in the late 1980s.
Regards, Mike

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