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Re: [sphere_project] WildFire/Sphere Project Archive

On 5/21/06, Isaac Raway <isaac@...> wrote:
> This is all really too bad...
>
> But I have to just get something out because it's been bothering me
> for a long time...when I first heard of this project and tried to get
> involved, it all just seemed far too complicated. Focused a bit too
> much on theory and parsers and nonsense, instead of making a
> working package.
>
> A committed group of 5 people could have a working HyperCard
> clone in 7 working days. I know because in just a bit more time
> (maybe 3 weeks) I created a functional one on my own. The only
> thing it lacked was an xTalk but that isn't as critical as the
> environment (linking dialogs & simplified scripting UIs can provide
> the same benefits as xTalk but are easier to code).

I agree with you that without an xTalk, it wouldn't take too long to
create a HyperCard clone. I very much doubt it could be created in a
week, though. However, an xTalk is essential to a HyperCard clone;
it's what makes it different from Visual Basic, RealBasic, Interface
Builder, Revolution, etc. The xTalk is at least as critical as the
environment.

Also, you underestimate how complicated it is to parse HyperTalk, just
like we did before we started. As an example, this is completely valid
syntax:

add char word to char of word char of char to word word to char of
line char of cd fld word

You cannot make the parser simple and compatible with HyperTalk at the
same time. This was the big road block Tyler and I ran into.

--
Hasta la pasta,
Jonathynne Bett'ncort.
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"I could counter with the fact that a disproportionate number of TG
women I know are computer programmers. ::grin:: In fact, there's a
joke going around that says exposure to computer screens causes
transsexuality." -- Kate Bornstein



Mon May 22, 2006 7:06 am

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Someone brought to my attention the fact that the Sphere Project/WildFire-related downloads on the HyperCard Pantechnicon have long since gone all brokey. What...
Jonathynne Bett'ncort
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May 22, 2006
12:55 am

This is all really too bad... But I have to just get something out because it's been bothering me for a long time...when I first heard of this project and...
Isaac Raway
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May 22, 2006
4:13 am

... I agree with you that without an xTalk, it wouldn't take too long to create a HyperCard clone. I very much doubt it could be created in a week, though....
Jonathynne Bett'ncort
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May 22, 2006
7:07 am

My point though is that a project with some of the same goals of HyperCard should be possible. Also, my 7 working days means seven 8 hour working days, which...
Isaac Raway
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May 22, 2006
2:35 pm

So what syntax would you use, if not xTalk? I assume you get a scripting language parser that already exists and is Open Source, or otherwise freely available....
Glenn Meader
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May 22, 2006
5:16 pm

Hi, I don't think this is a relevant discussion. Also see my other post in the "Another offshoot idea - use Web 2.0 technology" thread. Best, Mark ... -- ...
Mark Schonewille
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May 22, 2006
6:36 pm

As I mentioned in the other thread I tried PHP and Python with my own projects and found both of them to be badly lacking. For one, they are very difficult to...
Isaac Raway
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May 23, 2006
1:11 am

"WebCard" Another idea is to build a HC-like tool/application based on existing Web/HTML infrastructure. A sophisticated UI development tool would create, edit...
Glenn Meader
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May 22, 2006
5:23 pm

Hi, The whole point of this project is to write a *real* HyperCard clone rather than a tool that is more or less similar. There are tools like Revolution,...
Mark Schonewille
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May 22, 2006
6:35 pm

Hi Isaac, Thanks for contributing to the discussion. Although I don't quite agree with you, I really appreciate it. It is great to see this group coming alive...
Mark Schonewille
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May 22, 2006
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