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Re: [sphere_project] Really Basic Help

Well we are probably the people who wrote most of that text, so you're probably asking the right guys. ShortDeck is worthless, it was an experiment that probably shouldn't even really be on that list, but then if that's the case then neither should PythonCard: both are inspired by (in different ways), but can't possibly replace HyperCard.

I would say Revolution is your best bet if you want cross platform. It's an ...interesting...environment. Honestly, to me it has always felt a little buggy. One possibility that I enjoyed playing with a bit better was the MetaCard IDE running on top of the Revolution core. You might want to look into that.

If you're going Mac only, then SuperCard is probably worth trying. I haven't tried it, but it looks like it has a bit more stable interface. In Revolution, I always felt like I was playing with a prototype.

ToolBook isn't even close, it's a different product, though it has some concepts from HyperCard, my understanding is that it doesn't have the same kind of free form database system as HC and closer clones have. That might be incorrect though, I haven't used it.

Actually that's one big point of contention I have with many systems that claim to be HyperCard "clones" or inspired by HyperCard. In many cases they have no even remotely similar database system. Without that, it's just another RAD tool with an xTalk, and if that is what people think HyperCard was, then they really never understood it. It's a database. I think there are few people who remember it, because there are few people who got that. Friendly language + simple DB + friendly GUI = magic.

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Isaac Raway, software development consultant

"Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability." - Dr. Edsger Dijkstra


On 8/13/06, Richard Talbott <richard.talbott@...> wrote:


Well guys, my G4 powerbooks are beginning to die and an upgrade path for hypercard is beginning to press. I did a web search and discovered there is a wiki on hypercard that was fun to read; it inspired a number of current products.  It also provided a list of alternatives.

>   HyperStudio
>   PythonCard
>   Revolution/Dreamcard
>   ShortDeck
>   SuperCard
>   WildFire (formerly the Sphere Project)
>   ToolBook
>   FreeCard

on my read, it appears revolution/dreamcard may be the best upgrade path because it can be run on multiple platforms. What's your take? Any indepth comparisons? Here is the text from the Wiki:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperCard

>   HyperStudio

 a HyperCard-like product marketed for and popular with education users

>   PythonCard

 a modern, Open Source GUI development system inspired by but not copying HyperCard and running on the Python scripting language



>   Revolution/Dreamcard

http://www.runrev.com/

 a powerful development environment based on MetaCard (which they acquired); imports HyperCard stacks, supports Windows, Mac, and Linux


>   ShortDeck

 a free stack based development project

>   SuperCard

 one of the first HyperCard clones, which still provides excellent support for current Mac features and Multimedia; imports HyperCard stacks

>   WildFire (formerly the Sphere Project)

 another open-source HyperCard clone

>   ToolBook

 a versatile but Windows-only HyperCard clone, today more geared towards CBT (computer-based training). 

>   FreeCard

 written in Java
 



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