Dear List Members: I have decided on my own to do a public reading of the first lecture of Strauss's "The Problem of Socrates," the first of the five lectures...
Dear Mr. Pehme, Could I suggest you also look at the version of these lectures published in Interpretation.. especially given some concerns the edition used in...
... I believe the first part is Strauss' but the latter part is Pangle's. Actually how many lectures were in fact given? This is a factual question. Also...
Regarding the first sentence.... Does this not echo with the classical/Socratic line about knowledge, that one starts with opinion and move to knowledge......
... === message truncated === It appears that Strauss starts with Aristophanes because Nietzsche would. This is quite telling. But I would hold that for the...
... The RCPR version is easily obtained by everyone, and to do a reading it is easier to have the same text. In another message, you write: "I believe the...
Clifford Bates writes: [snip] ... Yes, it opens a lot of speculation, but it is not easy to make out exactly why or for what purpose immediately. Yet, if we...
The comments made below are not intended as a criticism of Mr Pehme's desire to lead a slow reading of the version published in RCPR. There is much to learn...
David North
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Nov 27, 2002 1:08 am
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... Thank you, but I take criticism very well, no matter how brutal. If you need to take off on me, please do not hesitate. [snip] ... Outline, yes, but...
... There seems to be a fair bit of that sort about at the moment. ... Comprehensiveness, I wonder, I had in mind the comments made by Catherine Zuckert when...
David North
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Nov 27, 2002 6:43 am
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I wish to thank David North for the info about the lectures... The RCPR version starts on the second lecture.. and this makes me wonder that if Strauss does...
David North writes: [snip] ... Patience, patience. It is part of the overall issues of this lecture, and it will come as we go along. Strauss develops the...
If the problem of Socrates is that of the lived (ie. historical) one then cannot Strauss be rightly criticized for being too literary? I think the problem of...
... Yes, very much so. Then wisdom, too, would be of a literary character, and it would be apart from the "life" (the flesh and blood) person of the ...
... But there are certain books that one could learn from.. and Cathy Zuckert's is one of those (as are her Husband's!!).. both whom are now senior Faculity at...
... literary? ... character, and it would be apart from the "life" (the flesh and blood) person of the philosopher. It would be a kind of "art for art's sake."...
Clifford Bates writes: [snip] ... I literally have a pile of books in my house waiting to be read, and from which I will learn a lot, including books that I...
... I take your point, we have the time. But lets not forget this I am interested to hear your explanation of your comment when the reading calls for it. ...
David North
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Nov 27, 2002 11:01 pm
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... and I agree with his recommendation of Mrs Zuckert's book. Because Mr Pehme and others, understandably, haven't the time to read her book yet here is a ...
David North
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Nov 27, 2002 11:48 pm
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... Well I suppose I might have ducked as I feared might see this coming! Anyway, at the risk, by too liberally quoting from Interpretation, of attracting the...
David North
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Nov 28, 2002 5:30 am
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Dear List Members: Strauss continues: "To speak first of the striking dissimilarity between Aristophanes' Socrates and the true Socrates, i.e., the Socrates...
Dear List Members: As the discussion is going fast and furious, I will continue with the next two paragraphs as they are both short. We go from Socrates's...
Dear List Members: We go from the prejudice in favor of tragedy to the view that Socrates's trial and death is tragic, but whose argument is not a prejudice,...
Dear List Members: With the introduction of Hegel into the lectures, Strauss continues: "Hegel's statement reminds us the obstacles which one has to overcome...
Strauss portrays Aristophanes as a defender of the rural regime, the ancient Marathon regime... whose fundamental backbone is the farmer who held the lines...
Something has been bothering me about the 1958 reference.. that everyone bandies about. Are these class lectures or public lectures? I ask this.... George...
In reply to Mr Bates, who said in part - ... (a little snipped) ... The 1960 transcript and the 1958 lectures are publications of two different oral...
David North
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Dec 6, 2002 4:36 am
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Mr North, Thanks for the info... I thought Anastaplo could not be wrong.. nor would everyone else who so confidantly assert the 58 time frame. Does anyone know...
... Here is the difficulty: As I pointed out before, the rural man is not a real man as portrayed by Aristophanes, and Aristophanes knows it! The plays are not...
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