Hi James, If I read you right, you were saying that dropping the surplus transfer results in a system that is not proportional ("some UK universities thought...
It's a matter of chance whether dropping surplus transfers destroys PR or not. In many STV elections the parties attempt vote management, part of which is to...
Colin Rosenstiel
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Aug 4, 2009 11:51 pm
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Antony ... How could that possibly be? In the Northern Ireland Assembly elections (STV-PR for 6 members in each of 18 constituencies) in 2003 one candidate in...
... The issue is not "proportionality", but rather that in any election to a "representative assembly" you want a result that is properly "representative"....
Hi James, I agree that in principle this may be a concern, but practice may be something entirely different. Let`s take the 2003 Belfast East NI Assembly...
I wouldn`t characterize dropping of surplus transfers as `destroying` PR. As you say, parties get used to dealing with the rules and have ways to manage their...
Colin's and Antony's comments on strategic coordination between each party and its supporters show rather clearly why Antony's project of recounting ballots...
Except that counting STV ballots using an MIRV interpretation is least favourable to MIRV. Since in most instances MIRV produces the same result as STV when...
Wendy has asked me to forward this message because her posting to the list on Monday failed for some reason. James Hi everyone, I am also on the board of...
Hi everyone, I am also on the board of directors for the Fair Voting BC along with Tony. I agree with much of his description of what happened here. Many of...
I agree with Wendy's view that the details of STV are not the main obstacle and, in particular, that "people needed to grasp in some simple way how the voting...
Dear STV-members, BC reformers have campaigned heroicly and have nothing to show for it. No wonder they are looking for new approaches. Never again should a...
Jim Riley > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:37 AM ... Almost certainly - but the relevant legislation is not available on-line. The Government of Ireland...
Hi all, The advantage of a simpler vote transfer mechanism (ie, such as the MIRV variant we've been discussing) is that it facilitates us being able to quickly...
Jim Ronback > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 4:07 AM ... The statement in the last sentence here is almost certainly wrong. These "fears" about STV-PR are...
I agree with what you say, but this is a subtle point that takes quite a while for the average voter to understand. Even in your example, it might be the case...
I don't really get this. Transfers aren't so hard to explain. If a candidate has more than they need you transfer the surplus, if they can't get anywhere they...
Colin Rosenstiel
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Aug 6, 2009 11:01 pm
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Antony Hodgson > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:14 PM ... I don't think this at all a subtle point. It is a very obvious point that can be made very...
Dear stv-voters, The main criticism of the "bottom up" or multi-winner IRV method rests upon extreme cases where a very popular candidate gets multiple...
In the proposed STV districts in BC, the dominant party (in the STV district) won 66 of 83 seats. In only two of the 20 STV districts was the distribution of...
In many cases where there are multi-member districts elected by FPTP, each voter may cast N votes. This is true even when there is a majority requirement,...
Re the mention of myself in this post, it would be truer to say that I am trying to point out the logic of choice and its proper application by STV for...
Richard Lung > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 7:02 PM Just comments on two of Richard's points. ... <CUT> ... It has to be remembered that Jenkins' AV+, while...
Jim Riley > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 5:32 AM ... Your analysis is interesting. I'll file the numbers for reference. ... Yes, of course - that is always...
I did a more careful analysis, using the actual vote totals in each district. While doing so, I discovered that 2 FPTP districts had been added subsequent to...
James, If true, this information would be more than a cause for cynicism. It would be a breach of the terms of the so-called Independent Commission. It is in...
Richard Politics is a hard and dirty world. But that's the world where electoral reform has to be achieved. Except in a country with binding citizens'...
James, I see now that arguing the commission's dependence wouldnt serve. They were influenced but they chose to heed the powers that be. Whether they chose ill...
Announcing OpenSTV version 1.5 -- Software for computing the single transferable vote, instant runoff voting, Condorcet, approval, and many other voting...
I strongly support STV but I also strongly support transparency in the process of elections. I believe the two are compatible but it does concern me that a...
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