PRESS! PRESS! PRESS! PRESS! PRESS! PRESS! PRESS! June 12, 2005 CONTACT INFO : HANK RAMEY, Major Organizer Recall Arnold Movement Owner, Grassroots-CA-OH-FL ...
I endorse the Fair Vote newsletter of 21 may 2005. If British Columbia miss this chance to legislate for STV, they will repeat the British mistake of wasting a...
While simulating some past B.C. elections through STV, I discovered something. In 1996, there were three parties of concern, the Liberals, the NDP and the ...
Sorry, Winston, your discovery is just so much speculation. People do not vote party slate except in tiny malta. And under stv, there will not just be reform...
Granted, my voting simulations hold only a tenous grasp with reality. Granted, people do not vote party slates usually. Granted, there will be a lot of people...
Winston, the the theoretical potential non-monotonicity of PR-STV very seldom translates into reality, either in theory or in practice. If PR-STV enables...
Yes, its unlikely that any such situation would occour. However, will people be satisified with me trying to pass it off as insignicant due to the unlikelyhood...
... will people ... the ... You also have remember that non-monotonicity cannot be exploited by either the voters or the candidates in real public election....
Probable illegality of double 60 threshold. In Common Ground archive, July 2005, J P Boyer QC argued that the double 60 threshold for the CA referendum is...
I've got mixed feelings on this subject. On the one hand I want STV to be put in place. On the other hand, I think a supermajority was a reasonable requirement...
As far as I know the politicians of BC went to av and abolished av with no referendum requirement at all! (A generation or so back). So, what was the big deal...
Its not importance so much that suggests we need to have a super-majority requirement. Its the fact that were are choosing the way our voices are heard. While...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:19:23 +0100, Richard Lung ... The standard for approving an initiative in British Columbia is even higher, requiring approval by a...
Jim, did you read the final report? It didnt really say anything. There were about 5 pages of the TECHNICAL report that explained BC STV but this was NOT...
Re Probable illegality of double 60 thresholds. To re-state my second point about the double 60% thresholds on the BC STV referendum. I dont think they can be...
I did a little more looking. In December 2002, the BC Government received a report from Gordon Gibson giving his recommendations on the constitution of the...
Dear stv-voting list, First, a belated comment regarding the DemoChoice BC poll: while the version at http://www.demochoice.org/dcballot.php?poll=BCSTV does...
I have a different take on it all. The provincial government was rewriting the rules to give itself more power to win or loose future referendums. Always...
A key advantage of a supermajority to implement STV is the flip side, a supermajority required to repeal it (assuming that is how it would work). There have...
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:11:29 -0700 (PDT), Brian White ... There were no laws for a referendum of this type. There was law for referendums initiated by the...
To Jim Riley, Well, if the Gibson report raised the question of thresholds, the Campbell government was ill-advised to take it up, especially a double-barreled...
No, it isnt an advantage. STV got 57.8% and 97%. Really people were given a choice for the future. Have STV or have first past the post. It wasnt yes or no,...
What might have been the outcome in your advisory sceme of things? It might well have beaten 60 60 because at least the politicians would have talked about...
Every time you make a decision to change the law, you are choosing between two options. So I don't see what the difference is in the case of the BC-STV...
There was a clear winner. Hey Ben, since when is 57% not a win? Since when is a majority in 97% of ridings not a win? Since when is 43% a victory? Since when...
Hello List Basically, if politicians want something to be passed in a referendum they make it easy by requiring that 50% + 1 people vote for it, if they don't...
Hey hey hey, calm down. I'm simply saying that you can't differentiate between a vote between electoral systems and any other type of referendum. In any case,...
No, it is this or that. It wasnt just to change, it was a very specific change. And the public voted overwhelmnly to get rid of this first past the post...
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