Probable illegality of double 60 threshold. In Common Ground archive, July 2005, J P Boyer QC argued that the double 60 threshold for the CA referendum is...
I've got mixed feelings on this subject. On the one hand I want STV to be put in place. On the other hand, I think a supermajority was a reasonable requirement...
As far as I know the politicians of BC went to av and abolished av with no referendum requirement at all! (A generation or so back). So, what was the big deal...
Its not importance so much that suggests we need to have a super-majority requirement. Its the fact that were are choosing the way our voices are heard. While...
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:19:23 +0100, Richard Lung ... The standard for approving an initiative in British Columbia is even higher, requiring approval by a...
Jim, did you read the final report? It didnt really say anything. There were about 5 pages of the TECHNICAL report that explained BC STV but this was NOT...
Re Probable illegality of double 60 thresholds. To re-state my second point about the double 60% thresholds on the BC STV referendum. I dont think they can be...
I did a little more looking. In December 2002, the BC Government received a report from Gordon Gibson giving his recommendations on the constitution of the...
Dear stv-voting list, First, a belated comment regarding the DemoChoice BC poll: while the version at http://www.demochoice.org/dcballot.php?poll=BCSTV does...
I have a different take on it all. The provincial government was rewriting the rules to give itself more power to win or loose future referendums. Always...
A key advantage of a supermajority to implement STV is the flip side, a supermajority required to repeal it (assuming that is how it would work). There have...
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:11:29 -0700 (PDT), Brian White ... There were no laws for a referendum of this type. There was law for referendums initiated by the...
To Jim Riley, Well, if the Gibson report raised the question of thresholds, the Campbell government was ill-advised to take it up, especially a double-barreled...
No, it isnt an advantage. STV got 57.8% and 97%. Really people were given a choice for the future. Have STV or have first past the post. It wasnt yes or no,...
What might have been the outcome in your advisory sceme of things? It might well have beaten 60 60 because at least the politicians would have talked about...
Every time you make a decision to change the law, you are choosing between two options. So I don't see what the difference is in the case of the BC-STV...
There was a clear winner. Hey Ben, since when is 57% not a win? Since when is a majority in 97% of ridings not a win? Since when is 43% a victory? Since when...
Hello List Basically, if politicians want something to be passed in a referendum they make it easy by requiring that 50% + 1 people vote for it, if they don't...
Hey hey hey, calm down. I'm simply saying that you can't differentiate between a vote between electoral systems and any other type of referendum. In any case,...
No, it is this or that. It wasnt just to change, it was a very specific change. And the public voted overwhelmnly to get rid of this first past the post...
Citizens Assembly private members bill. Some British MPs intend to introduce a private members bill for a British Columbia-style Citizens Assembly this autumn....
pSTV version 0.8 is now available. The visible differences are (1) and improved user interface, and (2) the ability to select candidates to eliminate before...
For those following the story of STV in British Columbia good news has come from the throne speech. There will be another referendum on BC-STV held in November...
Is this a repeat of the Citizens Assembly referendum question or is it subject to party political tinkering? Repeating the double 60 barrier doesnt make it...
If we consider this in comparisom to the possiblity of the provincial government deciding to simply instate BCSTV, then perhaps this is not good news. However,...
... it unfair for the boundary to have been 60/60? Maybe, I can see both sides of the argument. Ok, Winston, here is how unfair 60 60 is. Imagine a horse race...
Your metaphor, I think, is misplaced. Consider the situation of a horse race. But the horses racing are not STV and FPTP. Rather the horses racing are the...
It should be noted that if STV is approved in 2008, that it will come into effect for the 2009 elections, the same as it would have had it been approved in...
Consider this from a strategy standpoint. The provinical government got themselves into a spot. They couldn't just ignore the rules they set, and they couldn't...
