Has anyone ever proposed combining STV with MMP? I am developing a voting system proposal that works as follows: The State is divided into districts with a...
... a ... Never mind how it might work, the real question is (or should be), why on earth would anyone want to do such a thing? STV-PR and MMP have completely...
... Why would anyone want to taint a system giving voters true free choice of candidates with a discredited party list system? Colin Rosenstiel...
Colin Rosenstiel
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Jun 4, 2006 12:29 am
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Hi all, I'm new to this list, but I worked on the Yes campaign for STV in BC last year and am now a director with Fair Voting BC. In collaboration with Dave...
I suggest 3 seat stv with the mmp component being the almost 25% whose vote contribute to the final losing candidate. (all other votes have elected people so ...
Re the suggestions to combine STV with MMP in British Columbia, arent we forgetting that the Citizens Assembly made their decision after a year's work on the...
... and we ... multi-winner elections. ... There is a delightful "reverse take" on this use of "IRV" to embrace both STV in single-winner elections and STV-PR...
... proportionality down ... Take a look at some real results from real STV-PR elections and real MMP elections and I think you'll see that this concern about...
Thanks to Brian, James and Richard for their comments. I absolutely agree with James that STV in practice ends up being extremely proportional. In the...
... voters who ... than "I'll let ... Antony, be very careful what you wish for or else you might find your "STV" has been perverted into a closed party list...
... This is seriously overestimated by people who don't allow for variations in votes between constituencies. All representation systems have a trade-off...
Colin Rosenstiel
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Jun 4, 2006 10:14 pm
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... This is the nonsense which totally destroys to point of STV that voters choose what they think parties comprise and not the parties themselves. To be fair...
Colin Rosenstiel
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Jun 4, 2006 10:14 pm
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Hi James, Thanks for your comments. I'm fully aware of the Australian travesty. That's why under STVR the vote is interpreted as a division of your ballot...
Hi Colin, The idea with STVR is that all seats in a region would have the same quota, including the regional ones (probably computed by dividing the total...
... My view is that rotation is over-rated. There is some evidence that voters are more likely to follow ballot-paper order in a donkey-like manner if the...
Colin Rosenstiel
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Jun 5, 2006 1:25 am
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In all stv elections, a percentage of the voters are unrepresented. (To be fair, it is a smaller percentage than in any other system). BUT it is totally...
... That is not possible while retaining local representation. Each constituency has to have its own quota relating to the number of votes cast there which...
Colin Rosenstiel
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Jun 5, 2006 12:26 pm
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Glad to see such a vigorous discussion from the previous STV-MMP discussion. Here is another proposal that achieves some similar goals to the previous...
Hi Colin, I don't see why equal quotas across a region is incompatible with local representation. STVR explicitly values local representation by giving voters...
The online system Brian refers to was likely the one at Demochoice (see demochoice.ca) that Dave Robinson and I ran. We ran simulations of the November civic...
I really like this idea. It's simple both to explain and to understand. In BC, because we've got such huge northern ridings (literally several hundred km...
As I said, huge complexity for minimal gain. I think you underestimate the effect of trying to match quotas at two levels considerably. Colin Rosenstiel...
Colin Rosenstiel
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Jun 5, 2006 5:47 pm
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Same as the earlier discussion. What does this massive increase in complexity, especially in the far greater numbers of candidates for the voters to try and...
Colin Rosenstiel
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Jun 5, 2006 7:32 pm
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Maybe I have a higher tolerance for complexity than Colin, but I like the idea very much and see it as really no more complicated than regular STV. In an...
One issue might be how you actually structure the ballot so it is indeed simple. If you had separate sections for sub-district and larger district, then the...
But the regional seats would mean larger local constituencies! Colin Rosenstiel...
Colin Rosenstiel
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Jun 6, 2006 12:15 am
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Only slightly. Assuming three districts and 13 seats, each district might be expected to elect four local reps and 1 regional one. This ratio of 12:1 is much...
Good points. It seems to me the main choice is between having a special section at the top which separates out the local candidates (which as Jeff points out...
There is a world of difference between 3 and 10 seat STV constituencies! Colin Rosenstiel...
Colin Rosenstiel
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Jun 6, 2006 8:53 am
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http://www.citizensassembly.gov.on.ca/news/news.html#052906 is a main page. and you can wade through from there. Any stv proposal, even rudementary proposals...
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