In the post that triggered this particular discussion, Deane wrote: " At the moment we still have to fight to get the method of transferring surpluses...
01/02/02 - Two Standards to Evaluate STV: Greetings List, Joe seems to be having trouble on how to evaluate design features that are added to STV. Well, this...
donald@...
Jan 2, 2002 6:47 am
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... I too worry about this idea of going back on long past transfers in transferring surpluses. It fails to understand the principles of STV in ways that are...
rosenstiel@...
Jan 2, 2002 9:58 pm
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Dear List-- Check out section 273 of the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918. It should be at the AEC site mentioned by James. In the Electoral Reform Bill that...
With respect to James's suggestion for rule comparisons, the Proportional Representation Society of Australia has put up their Hare-Clark rules on the web. It...
Renato V Aguila
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Jan 3, 2002 12:48 pm
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Since my email about the Australian situation on December 24, I have been away from my computer for some days and am only now catching up. My apologies for...
Greetings List, ... Dear Steve, Thank you for posting these rules and your example. The problem seems to be a misuse of the rules, for the rules seem to be...
donald@...
Jan 5, 2002 3:19 pm
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DearList-- I think the drafting mistake is in the paragraph, partially reproduced here, that reads-- ... particularly the words between the two sets of ***....
01/07/02 - Possible Correction to my last post: Greetings List, There may be a possible correction needed to my last post. In the post I said that only 181...
donald@...
Jan 7, 2002 6:13 am
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Re what I termed "averaging the values of all votes", perhaps I should explain with an example. If the quota is 37 votes, and Candidate B gets 10 first...
01/08/02 - Disappearing Surplus Votes: Greetings List, Steve wrote: "I think the drafting mistake is in the paragraph, partially reproduced here, that reads--"...
donald@...
Jan 8, 2002 10:04 am
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01/09/02 - Deane's Excellent Example: Dear Deane, Thank you for the excellent example of averaging. I fully agree that surplus votes should not be divided by...
donald@...
Jan 9, 2002 11:25 am
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... If a candidate was already elected then any votes transferred in an exclusion or other surplus transfer would leapfrog them. Only Meek does otherwise. You...
rosenstiel@...
Jan 10, 2002 12:14 am
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01/11/02 - Consistent Treatment of Surpluses: Greetings List, Colin wrote: "The transfer of a consequential surplus is merely the completion of the transfer...
donald@...
Jan 11, 2002 7:36 am
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The hand counting restriction is unavoidable in public elections. You cannot have a "black box" counting process if adequate scrutiny is to be possible. You...
rosenstiel@...
Jan 11, 2002 8:49 am
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Hi, Donald-- A couple of quick reactions inserted. ... Steve [Sat 12] I would agree with you if the other candidate received 25.9 votes, but he doesn't. The...
I am not sure you could call averaging one of STV's "dirty little secrets". Regrettably it appears to have been an Australian invention! I guess it shows that...
01/14/02 - Transfers to one thousandth of a vote: Hi, Steve, you wrote: "I would agree with you if the other candidate received 25.9 votes, but he doesn't....
donald@...
Jan 14, 2002 10:57 am
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Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the stv-voting group. File :...
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Jan 19, 2002 2:40 am
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Hi, Donald-- I pretty much agree with you this time. Fortunately, Meek's method overcomes these minor flaws in both the Hare-Clark and Northern Ireland rules....
I would recommend following the rules at http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/sep/votingsystems/stvrules.htm with each stockholder casting a number of votes...
rosenstiel@...
Jan 20, 2002 9:13 pm
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Dear Tom: I would agree with Colin (Rosenstiel) that you should use the ERS 1997 rules as a start. These rules are in use throughout the UK, especially for...
Renato V Aguila
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Jan 21, 2002 8:58 am
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... ... I think this is a good recommendation. It is much better to adopt a widely used set of rules wholesale than to start picking and choosing what quota, ...
Dear Joe and Others, I agree that following standard rules is a good idea. Still, I must consider some questions. My current most important question arises...
... This is bizarre. The voter is choosing their representative. It would be perverse to vote for and against their chosen candidate. Colin Rosenstiel...
rosenstiel@...
Jan 23, 2002 9:09 am
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Colin, It seems that I may live in a different world than STV people. CV is a different world certainly. If I really like 2 candidates and have no real...
STV is a method of achieving representative democracy, meaning that a voter can only be entitled to choose one representative. In practice they can contribute...
rosenstiel@...
Jan 24, 2002 1:26 am
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... I'm sorry. I can't understand what "one representative" means outside the abstract definition. In a STV election, with a ranked ballot, ABC, my vote starts...
You are confusing practical outcome with theoretical entitlement. ... The split you describe can only occur if your first preference is elected (in this case,...
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