Jim comments - "If the availability of optional preferential voting led to an increase in BTL voting, and this in turn led to an increase in exhausted votes,...
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:29:58 +1030, "Crabb, Deane (PIRSA)" ... But this may not translate to other elections. I looked at the 2002 results from Tasmania. Each...
Hello, I have a rather detailed question about how to transfer surplus votes with ERS97 rules. I'll try to explain how I think it works and I would appreciate...
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 05:37:06 +0100 (CET), Jeffrey O'Neill ... Isn't that the point of 5.17(b), 5.3.13(b), and 5.4.9(b)? At the end of the count, due to...
... The concept of the Vote Required For Election (VRFE) is simple. Any candidate with at least that number of votes cannot be defeated. We therefore avoid...
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Dec 3, 2003 12:21 pm
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... A classic STV misapprehension if I may say so. For the counter example consider the results achieved by the Alliance Party in last week's Northern Ireland...
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Dec 3, 2003 8:25 pm
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... 5.1.7 (b) you meant. These are all subject to 5.6.2 as well. Note that VRFE is used because it is still consistent with other standard STV elements of...
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Dec 3, 2003 9:08 pm
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Colin and Jim, Thank you for the explanations. I didn't mean to imply that there was anything wrong with the rules, I just wanted to make sure I understood....
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:25 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), rosenstiel@... ... APNI was contesting 6-seat constituencies, meaning that the quota was 14.3% rather...
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:08 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), rosenstiel@... ... Yes. But I didn't understand the circumstances where 5.1.7 (b) would ever come...
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:47:30 +0100 (CET), Jeffrey O'Neill ... Are there deferred distributions of surpluses in your system? Under ERS rules this occurs when...
... The combination of circumstances that would bring this rule into play are, as it says in the rule, rare. But they are not impossible and would likely be a...
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Dec 4, 2003 11:20 am
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... I do wish people wouldn't use the occasion of writing computer software to make up their own rules as they go along, demonstrating a rather superficial...
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Dec 4, 2003 11:20 am
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... Other than the very laudable ( in the days when elections had to be counted by hand) objective of making a hand count as straight forward as possible, what...
But the principles of manual counting are what most of the world who use STV do follow! Although there are a number of differences between the Dail rules and...
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Dec 5, 2003 12:41 pm
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Colin, ... I haven't "made up" these rules. They are based on rules in "Behind the Ballot Box" by Douglas Amy and also listed at the Center for Voting and...
... Yes, though it can be turned off if desired. ... The size of the surplus is computed when the votes are to be transferred, not when the candidate first...
... You cannot bring into a surplus papers which would not be considered if the candidate was already elected and therefore is leapfrogged by later transfers....
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Dec 6, 2003 1:05 am
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 22:48:48 +0100 (CET), Jeffrey O'Neill ... The Cambridge rules may be the closest to being able to implement with the voters actually walking...
Deane Crabb wrote: "If the formula used for calculating the transfer is defined as the surplus divided by only those votes that show further preferences, this...
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Dec 7, 2003 11:43 am
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Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the stv-voting group. File : /Dating Site...
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Dec 7, 2003 7:42 pm
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... Er no. The same principles of STV are used everywhere that uses it except the USA, in the British Isles, Malta, Australia and New Zealand. Colin Rosenstiel...
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Dec 8, 2003 6:22 pm
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:22 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), rosenstiel@... ... What are those principles? -- Jim Riley...
... For the treatment of surpluses. Colin Rosenstiel...
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Dec 9, 2003 10:11 am
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... This is utterly different from the rest of the world. The papers actually transferred are a random selection of the papers that form the transfer. They may...
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Dec 9, 2003 2:00 pm
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:11 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), rosenstiel@... ... 1. A voter lists his preferences on his ballot. 2. The total number of valid votes...
I've finally finished implementing the ERS97 rules in python. I've compared my results to eSTV for an example with 1000 ballots and the answers are identical....
... This is where the differences arise. In the UK all papers in a surplus of first preference votes are transferred. In the Irish Republic all such papers are...
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