... It's important that politicians also favour the electoral system. If we want to have quality people enter politics it is important that politicians like...
Under STV, people vote primarily for the candidates. They may be arranged in party lists on the ballot-paper, but it is up to the voter and nobody else to...
Primarily because voters have the power to choose between candidates of a party. Therefore party representative can be beaten by colleagues of the same party...
rosenstiel@...
Dec 5, 2004 12:33 pm
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If I'm not mistaken, under STV, governments will still have to maintain the confidence of the Legislature. So under STV, MLA's from the governing party will...
... their parties. Isn't that how we elect people under FPTP? People don't vote for parties they vote for individuals. And under MMP 60% of the MLA's would...
In a message dated 05/12/2004 07:20:55 GMT Standard Time, joe2020@... ... If you mean STV is adversarial in the conventional "negative campaigning" sense...
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:06:00 -0000, "canucks_rule_4_ever" ... You mean "Westminster" (the location of the British Parliament) rather than "New Westminster" the...
... him/her other ... assured of a ... this "quality?!?" ... When parties recruit for "cabinet material", the individuals being looked at often demand that...
I think it is much more important that ordinary voters like the system. You should realize that star candidates are really just ordinary people. That got ...
I've been reading all the claims about the wonders of STV in electing MPs who care about their electorates over party hacks etc., and I've gotta say, as...
I can't speak with knowledge of the NSW Legislative Council electoral system but I'm not in the least surprised to read that the bowdlerisation of STV for the...
rosenstiel@...
Dec 6, 2004 6:17 pm
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In a message dated 06/12/2004 06:09:06 GMT Standard Time, joe2020@... ... My response to this is "I'm sorry but you're not entitled to demand a safe seat...
Exact proportionality is not the only consideration in selecting an electoral system. Proportionality is undoubtedly a very important quality of electoral...
Adding lists to STV is a total perversion of STV. In Malta a first preference for Joe Soap of party X become a vote for all candidates of party X even if the...
rosenstiel@...
Dec 7, 2004 9:56 am
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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 05:53:33 -0000, "canucks_rule_4_ever" ... Disproportionality comes about because there is an insistence that a representative exercise only...
... Just what level of proportionality do you want? Take a look at the results for the last two STV-PR elections to the Northern Ireland Assembly (1998 and...
Ben You have picked the wrong examples from Australia. I suggest that you look at the Hare-Clark system used in Tasmania and for the ACT Assembly where there...
I'm aware of the Tasmanian and ACT examples, and you're right about them. I was simply pointing out that STV can go either way. Ben Raue ... From: "Crabb,...
The point is that there is STV or there is the peculiarly bowdlerised system used in much of Australia. Colin Rosenstiel ... I'm aware of the Tasmanian and ACT...
rosenstiel@...
Dec 10, 2004 7:40 am
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Two things: 1) I was perouzing the web for information on countries that implement STV the other day, when I stumbled onto the curious case of Malta. Malta...
Ages ago, I read something about candidates in Malta being allowed to compete in more than one district at the same time. It sounded absurd. I think it is well...
... This is exactly the type of situation that we're trying to prevent from happening again. With STV we could have a replay of the 1996 election where the 2nd...
I guess people should remember that in STV partys are secondary in nature. Your vote is for a PERSON to represent you. As long as dual candidates are not ...
While I'm sure the Malta problem is very complex, I'm pretty sure that it would have nothing to do with the dual candidature rule, although that does sound...
In a message dated 11/12/2004 04:13:20 GMT Standard Time, joe2020@... ... This afternoon I downloaded a set of election statistics for Malta. In the 1981...
... If the voters in BC find out about this, BC-STV is very much in doubt. It would be a disaster if an election in BC produced such skewed results. These...
I am pretty sure you will let the voters of bc know, buddy. Cut to the chase, you want to retain the straight vote, right? Another commentator said that it...
In a message dated 12/12/2004 00:59:48 GMT Standard Time, joe2020@... ... Joe did you read my response beyond the first half of the first paragraph? I ...
... The whole point of STV is that seats are *not* awarded on the basis of first preference votes. The Maltese case is unique because voting is so strongly on...
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