Hola Fernando,

so we should ask SMW to promote the US better. However I imagine that this
difficult when it is not maintained by them.

Reinhard

Supermemo.net is an online web based version of Supermemo 2000.

The advantages are that you can study anywhere as long as you have a
browser and an Internet connection.

Supermemo.net will also send questions to your mobile phone. I have
not tried this personally.

There are many public collections to choose from, but these are
different than the ones used by Supermemo 2000. Some are free and
some you have to pay for.

You can create your own online collections and make them private or
public. Public collections are shared and can be seen and used by
anybody.

Maybe the US site is not working because nobody knows it exists,
consequently, there is no demand for it.

-Fernando

Reinhard,

The US site (www.supermemo.net) is outdated. Not only does it not
contain many public collections, but it is very buggy.

The Polish site is current, has many public collections, and many new
features.

The makers of Supermemo do not support the US site. If you have
problems or lose data, nothing will be done about it.

The US site has not been updated in 6 months, whereas the Polish site
is continually updated and improved.

Regards,
-Fernando

--- In supermemo@y..., "Reinhard K. Koehler \(neusob\)"
<reinhard.koehler@n...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I didn't know that there was such site. I just tried to log in, to
> supermemo.net.
> Hi,
>
> I got in, and things were shown in a moderate speed. Obviously the
site was
> only temporarily off.
>
> However I hardly got any public collections and some public details
were in
> Polish, which I'm unable to speak (unless mr. Pan, y cziekuje for
thanks,
> bardzo for please chen dobre Good morning dobranoz for good night,
but
> that's it and don't mind spelling)
>
> correction: bilingual: English and Polish.
> S
> . So I take it you need to import you own collections. Could you
give us
> more information please? To those of us to whom this is great but
new
> news;-)
>
> What however is not working is to select any of the public
collections.
> The only stadard activated (that's why I thought Polish) is rótka
> prezentacja
>
> Does that seem to be your problem?
>
> Have fun smoing;-)
> Reinhard
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: fchapa@p... [mailto:fchapa@p...]
> > Gesendet: Montag, 13. August 2001 23:57
> > An: supermemo@y...
> > Betreff: [supermemo] http://www.supermemo.net/sm.net/Login.php3
> >
> >
> > The web version of Supermemo.net is great, but unusable by those
of
> > us in other countries (i.e., USA) because it is too slow. Does
> > anybody know when the US site will be working again?
> >
> >
> > Non-working USA site:
> > http://www.supermemo.net/sm.net/Login.php3
> >
> > Working but very slow Poland site:
> > http://supermemo.vm.pl
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > supermemo-unsubscribe@y...
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >

Hi,

I didn't know that there was such site. I just tried to log in, to
supermemo.net.
Hi,

I got in, and things were shown in a moderate speed. Obviously the site was
only temporarily off.

However I hardly got any public collections and some public details were in
Polish, which I'm unable to speak (unless mr. Pan, y cziekuje for thanks,
bardzo for please chen dobre Good morning dobranoz for good night, but
that's it and don't mind spelling)

correction: bilingual: English and Polish.
S
. So I take it you need to import you own collections. Could you give us
more information please? To those of us to whom this is great but new
news;-)

What however is not working is to select any of the public collections.
The only stadard activated (that's why I thought Polish) is rótka
prezentacja

Does that seem to be your problem?

Have fun smoing;-)
Reinhard

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fchapa@... [mailto:fchapa@...]
> Gesendet: Montag, 13. August 2001 23:57
> An: supermemo@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [supermemo] http://www.supermemo.net/sm.net/Login.php3
>
>
> The web version of Supermemo.net is great, but unusable by those of
> us in other countries (i.e., USA) because it is too slow. Does
> anybody know when the US site will be working again?
>
>
> Non-working USA site:
> http://www.supermemo.net/sm.net/Login.php3
>
> Working but very slow Poland site:
> http://supermemo.vm.pl
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> supermemo-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

The web version of Supermemo.net is great, but unusable by those of
us in other countries (i.e., USA) because it is too slow. Does
anybody know when the US site will be working again?


Non-working USA site:
http://www.supermemo.net/sm.net/Login.php3

Working but very slow Poland site:
http://supermemo.vm.pl

Hi Reinhard,

> I'd modify that:
>
> You have to go once the process generating at least the one way pair.
> But the copy/swap I'd like to be able to apply on a whole branch, where
the
> swaps are attached according to the user's choice in the same branch or in
> another newly defined. (Doing that manually can be very tidious).

you bet!

Best, Jiri

Hi Jiri,

I'd modify that:

You have to go once the process generating at least the one way pair.
But the copy/swap I'd like to be able to apply on a whole branch, where the
swaps are attached according to the user's choice in the same branch or in
another newly defined. (Doing that manually can be very tidious).

ATB
Reinhard


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jiri Pik [mailto:pik@...]
> Gesendet: Montag, 13. August 2001 14:11
> An: SuperMemo
> Cc: supermemo@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Fw: [supermemo] Mindmap and SuperMemo
>
>
> > We just have to convince the people from MindManager and
> SuperMemo to work
> > together and solve these problems.
> >
> > Because using both tools would be a major breakthrough for learning.
>
> What do you say to that?
>
>
> btw. Imagine an item with Q: q and A:a. However, I often find it useful to
> introduce two elements for this item, both Q: q and A:a and Q: a and A:q.
> Now, it is possible only using the operations duplicate,  and then swap
> components. Please, could you introduce new add command that would do
> exactly this (i.e. ask for q&a, and then create two elements one with q&a
> and the second with a&q) automatically?
>
> -Jiri Pik
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> supermemo-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Hi friends,

I hope you can help?

I copied various articles and introduced them into the article/reading lists
of incremental reading.

Since that was with my first steps and a quite a large number (about 70) all
these articles are blocking my other normal elements. Since I do not only
want  to read, maybe about 10 articles a day, I would like to change the
dates.

Now I suppose there are 2 ways:

1st: change the value of the articles, but that could influence the order
range among the tasks, possibly not the date setting of  their appearance.

2nd: When the creating the task there are some buttons of deadlines, how do
they work? What can influence how?

3rd: Is this task shield manipulable after being created?

4th: When creating a task I have the choice of introducing the article to
read with ctr+R right away or set a specific later date with ctr+shift+R
like every day 5 new articles. Can I change that afterwards?


I don't know if I make myself clear, sorry.

I hope someone can help.

Claus, Monica, Piotr?

Thanks a lot in advance

Reinhard

> We just have to convince the people from MindManager and SuperMemo to work
> together and solve these problems.
>
> Because using both tools would be a major breakthrough for learning.

What do you say to that?


btw. Imagine an item with Q: q and A:a. However, I often find it useful to
introduce two elements for this item, both Q: q and A:a and Q: a and A:q.
Now, it is possible only using the operations duplicate,  and then swap
components. Please, could you introduce new add command that would do
exactly this (i.e. ask for q&a, and then create two elements one with q&a
and the second with a&q) automatically?

-Jiri Pik

hi folks,
was just reading on the net and saw that not even Yahoo is capable to
picture that new currency sign used in EURO-land, which is like a
round E and a double line crossing.

So how should Supermemo people know that this key must be provided
for and the according key-kombination is taken in European key-board
systems.

But on the other hand, since this is originally Polish software and
Poland wants to enter the European Union and its currency ...

Reinhard

--- In supermemo@y..., "Reinhard K. Koehler \(neusob\)"
<reinhard.koehler@n...> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I don't know if you already have happend to discover like me just a
moment
> ago:
>
> When doing the European currency (a must from 2002 on) I happened to
> implement a task in Supermemo. Done that by AltGr+E,
>
> which is the same as Alt+Ctrl+E. I then had my last Email in a task.
>
> By the way it was the same result as pressing Alt+R like it is
suggested in
> SM help.
>
> Dear Supermemo you folks much change that because on European at
least
> German keyboards the new European currency symbol € is put on the E-
key and
> can only be accessed with the combination AltGr+E. That is the
standard, and
> I'm afraid you must go by it. So please change that in a future
version.
> That's a knockout criterion.
>
> So meanwhile be aware of typing EUR until that is fixed.
>
> ATB
>
> Reinhard K. Köhler

Folks,

I don't know if you already have happend to discover like me just a moment
ago:

When doing the European currency (a must from 2002 on) I happened to
implement a task in Supermemo. Done that by AltGr+E,

which is the same as Alt+Ctrl+E. I then had my last Email in a task.

By the way it was the same result as pressing Alt+R like it is suggested in
SM help.

Dear Supermemo you folks much change that because on European at least
German keyboards the new European currency symbol € is put on the E-key and
can only be accessed with the combination AltGr+E. That is the standard, and
I'm afraid you must go by it. So please change that in a future version.
That's a knockout criterion.

So meanwhile be aware of typing EUR until that is fixed.

ATB

Reinhard K. Köhler

>>>I myself dislike to use SuperMemo itself for preparing pairs of questions
and
answers, because of following reasons:
1.  It takes a lot of time to get stuff into SuperMemo, because one is
interrupted all the time to switch from question and answer and back again

Perhaps this is useful: the fastest way to switch between questions and
answers is by pressing Ctrl and T

m.

Hi, Claus:

Thanks for the tips on preparing a text file of SM questions & answers. A
freeware program like TreePad would also be a good tool for storing Q & A pairs.
TreePad has an export to text feature that would handle the transfer very
nicely.

BTW, thanks to you and Reinhard for your responses to my earlier email. I'll be
away on a family holiday next week, so you won't hear from me. (No phones,
computers, etc. for a whole week.)  (:-D

In Christ,
Keith Gardner
kgard@...

Hello Reinhard,

I will prepare an example of a mindmap and how to transfer it to SuperMemo.

You have to prepare a mindmap, in which there are only main branches and to
each main branch there is a  one sub branch for the question and one sub
branch for the answer.

To keep an overview, you would have to use  sub mindmaps.

Or you formulate the question and answers in the notes of a mindmap and copy
them to Word, save them  in txt format and then  import them to SuperMemo.

Of course it is not yet the ideal.

We just have to convince the people from MindManager and SuperMemo to work
together and solve these problems.

Because using both tools would be a major breakthrough for learning.

As I see, you already have quite a good start with this group.

Just keep on going.

regards

Claus

Hi Claus,
that's very interesting. Could you set up an example in the files section
and upload it there.
Especiall what I'd be interested in is the transfer from the Mindmaps.
I suppose you take the export with textlet or (by mindmanuals) or the other
option that is provided by supermemo, but not as a map.

Does that mean, you phrase your question on a branch? Do you include on a
branch the q&a or because you say numbers had you enoumerated the branches
like e.g. in headlines?

But as I reread your instructions I see a conflict with the mindmapping
theory of using as little words possibly per branch.
And I still don't see the hierarchy between questions and the correctly
ordered aswers.

I don't want to have the right answers on the wrong questions;-)

Therefore I guess I have little imagination and should read Mr. Wozniak's
genious article?;-)

Considering importing mindmaps to SM in the form o a topic I've had long
going discussions with MM and SM.

It's not the fault of either one, but the downsizing function that was
provided in lower versions of SM for the import of OLE-objects didn't work.
I guess that is why it was taken off in the current SM2k.


But anyway, you know that mindmaps can grow enourmously if you use more than
on subhierarchical branch in your map.
Resulting in SM, you won't get it on your OLE-box, unless you have a
gigantic screen, because the SM OLE-object box does not allow scrolling (at
least for mindmaps). So I chose to put a link.

But if you go later not the first time, when constructing the link (then the
Mindmap is opened), forget about it any later time. The link won't open your
mindmap in the mindmanager program.

I didn't even get that bug confirmed. Supermemo advised me in an earlier
mail some months ago to use a picture processing program to downsize the
mindmap.

This is very impractical, I need an additional program, I need to convert
into a graphic, work that and you know on downsizing letter in a graphic
unless it is vector graphics results in the impossibility of reading. A big
disadvantage in a mindmap.

So I look what map was that and open it manually in mindmanager. But that is
not what what OLE-objects are about.

Sorry Monica, Piotr and support in general. but you know about these
problems, and I only hope they are solved in a future version. BTW I just
tried again, and I have to confirm the above.

So don't even mention an automatic import! I have about 70 maps and that is
not even 10 % of what I plan on having!

Thanks anyway.

ATB
Reinhard

Greetings to all,


I myself dislike to use SuperMemo itself for preparing pairs of questions and
answers, because of following reasons:

1.  It takes a lot of time to get stuff into SuperMemo, because one is
interrupted all the time to switch from question and answer and back again.

2.  It is difficulty to review the stuff.

3.  There is needed too much space on a diskette.

All these problems are overcome, if one uses a text programme like Word.

Following procedure has to be used:

1.  each question has to start with:

q:_

The stroke means, that the space button has to be pressed. Then one writes
the question and finishes it with the return button.

2.  each answer has to start with:

a:_Answer Text <return>

3.  The text has to be saved as txt format.

4.  In SuperMemo one chooses the level professional

5.  Then  on uses  in the file menu  the item  tools

6.  in the item tools one uses  the opiton    Q&A. Then one puts in the
filename, under which the text was saved in the word processor.

__________

After that procedure  SuperMemo will integrate all the pairs of questions and
answers.

If one has used MindManager for instance, to prepare all pairs
of questins and answers, one has to export the mindmap as an outline to Word
for instance.

In word one has to remove all numbers and insert the q: or
a:
The save the file again in txt format and go on as above.

-----------

Up to now I couldn´t find out, how one can integrate a topic in this
procedure. Because it would be very comfortable also to use Word for
preparing the text with prictures or mindmaps.


regards

Claus

Hi folks,
I received an answer from Piotr Wozniak, who is president and founder of
Super Memo World which is the producer of Supermemo software.

Some things are edited because either personal (then left out) or for
clarity with Piotr's consent to post.
****************************************************************************
*************************************************

>
> Dear Reinhard,
>
> Thank you for creating SuperMemo eGroup. Users of SuperMemo are often lone
> wolves with not-so-great inclination to community contributions. This has
> always made SuperMemo community projects difficult to start off. Take
> SuperMemo Library as an example: it took multiple false starts to bring it
> to true life. And it all at the cost of quite a deal of blood, sweat and
> tears from Michal Hejwosz and Piotr Maksimczyk (the founders). I hope that
> with this awareness, you will not give up easily in case of sparse
> membership :)
>
> I would like to respond to one of your questions in eGroup. Feel free to
> post it on my behalf.

>
> This is my very rough answer to your question. You posted it to individual
> users; however, I have some birdseye view that could help you clear murky
> waters.
>
> >How does one prioritize tasks effectively?
>
> all you need is to get good valuation skills. you need to quickly evaluate
> value of tasks. That's all. All else is done by SuperMemo
>
> >Does anyone use the plans for your organisizing your day?
>
> Very few people do. Probably Above&Beyond software is better suited to
> real-life situations. SuperMemo is more suited to planning in
> conditions of
> total freedom when you are not interrupted by others and work in freedom
> from deadlines. I use Plan daily and love it. Others use it rather for
> organizing the "learning block"
>
> >Do you use this article function?
>
> Do you mean reading lists? Again the answer is "few people". In addition,
> "incremental reading" makes reading lists partly obsolete (unless you
> collect well above what you can "consume"). Even "incremental reading" is
> very slow to start off. The unfortunate truth is that it requires lots of
> skills, lack of which discourages many beginners. I have seen that first
> hand by trying to peek at collections of my colleagues who tried
> incremental
> reading by did not build much enthusiasm
>
> >What are your experiences?
>
> my own experience with incremental reading is "Sensational"!!!!
> :) -- but I
> know that few have reached the "black belt" level yet :)
>
> >What do you use supermemo for? Do you use it often?
> What versions do you use?
>
> You will get lots of answers by reading:
> http://www.supermemo.com/articles/survey.htm
>
> >scripts
>
> Scripts are best suited for authors of collections for public
> distribution.
> They are not an efficient tool in self-learning. Using scripts
> simply takes
> too much time when compared with benefits
>
> >sounds
>
> Using sounds is not much different than using pictures. Probably most
> typical uses are: pronunciation (if you have ready files), music, archival
> items (e.g. "whose voice is that"), etc.
>
> >pronunciation
>
> Building pronunciation registries is arduous. Probably it is best to get a
> ready-made one but to my knowledge only English pronunciation is well
> covered
>
> >task lists
>
> I recommend this tool to everyone but again tasklists are not popular in
> conjunction with the learning process. I use them for a hundred things. I
> and my colleagues use it for support e-mail processing.
> Otherwise, tasklist
> are far from being widely used
>
> >multiple choice
>
> With good templates, MCT is easy to use and effective in some
> applications.
> Still I prefer "incremental reading" for speed and the ultimate learning
> effect
>
> In conclusion, I see that SuperMemo could easily shed some
> functionality in
> order to reduce confusion. However, each change causes protest
> from various
> corners (including: inside company or some stubborn users like myself :)
>
> The formula for success in SuperMemo is simple: use Questions&Answers, use
> Incremental Reading, and venture to other areas ONLY if you have
> a pressing
> need.
>
> P.S. In case you post this answer, please review it for clarity. I tend to
> put simple things in a complex way. Sorry for that.
>
> btw: (please do not post this fragment) - if you want to contact me
> directly, do not use Reply. Please use genius@.... This is a
> temporary account that should be active for a week yet.
> and ... No, I do not immodestly call myself genius@. This account has been
> created to collect feedback for my new article:
> http://www.supermemo.com/articles/genius.htm that speaks about ways of
> approaching (or achieving) high levels of creativity
>
> Thank you again for your help in promoting SuperMemo
>
> Greetings
>
> Piotr Wozniak
> SuperMemo R&D
>

Hi Keith,

to my experience the best is to use mindmapping to struture at first, what
one wants to learn.

If one uses mindmanager for instance, then one can export the mindmap as an
outline to word and  prepare it there for import to supermemo.

I will describe this procedure in an extra email.

If you investigate, what is told in the old testimony about god for instance,
then
I think, that it is important, to check, how the informations given by god
about himself developed over the time and how they were interpeted by the
prophets for instance.

Supermemo is an excellent tool to learn separate facts, which one can put
into atomic pairs of  questions and answer pairs.

But it would be quite difficulty, to learn a structure with it.

regards

Claus

Hi Keith,
nice to hear from you again, it has been quite a while.


> I went through the same struggle when I set up the Axon Users Group.

Axon isn' that a program like Mindmanager and Visio by Microsoft?
>
> >What do you use supermemo for? Do you use it often?
> >
> I'm brand new to SM,

oh then you'll have some time to discover its enormous abilites. I'm using
it for quite a while now on a regular basis,
and that would be my advice to maybe no overdo it in the beginning
concerning new material, but do it regularly.

> but my intent is to use it to thoroughly
> learn theological
> principles and their Biblical basis.

For sure this will help you.

> (I'm a pastor.) I hope to
> capture important
> information from my studies and really learn it, not just be aware of it.

I guess stuff like that is not readily available. So you have have make up
your own "flash cards", but already in that process you are going to learn.

Supermemo even offers a library where you can add your collection. If you
want to you can even earn money with it.


> I'm not sure how to set this up. I know the structure of the
> questions is very
> important, so any tips would be helpful.

I guess you'll find the answers first. That's the information you want to
remember. Use that as an answer. Then come up with a question, that is more
than a yes / no question but somewhat open, so if asked in an exam you could
answer in a whole sentence.

Other possibility is a gap text. Like you have senctence  and the
information you want to keep is replace by ... and put in the information
pop up.

I usually use the flash card system. (Two identical white rtf boxes with the
second identified as answer.) in front of the standard grey background.

Other possibility would be the screen impression, like using the background
of the text box in the same color as the backgroud, and maybe not as wide.
Maybe include pictures, so that impression of a  screen instead of the flash
cards.
>

> I just downloaded the freeware version ( ver. 7)

That's a version I'm not familiar with. The first one I used was SM98. Right
nown I'm on the current one which is SM2k.

That version has a function which might help you in your task of remembering
scriptures, if you (certainly there is the Bible on the net and therefore
don't even have to scan) copied the chapters of the bible as an article. You
could put values (I haven't figured out an effective way mayself) to the
chapters most important to you and thus read parallely the Bible. Then
finding information to remember you can easily in an automated way create
such flash cards.

To my knowledge this function was introduced by SMW (Super Memo World) in
the current SM2k. So you might want to upgrade. As the quality is enormous
that's a very rare price/satisfaction ratio.

Sorry if this sounds like a sales pitch. No I'm not in any way affiliated
with SMW.

I hope some of the comments have been helpful

Reinhard

Hi, Reinhard,

>I just looked over the posts, most are from me. That's fine with me. I'm
>trying to get life into the young group. I hope you don't think I would like
>to make myself important.
>
I went through the same struggle when I set up the Axon Users Group.

>What do you use supermemo for? Do you use it often?
>
I'm brand new to SM, but my intent is to use it to thoroughly learn theological
principles and their Biblical basis. (I'm a pastor.) I hope to capture important
information from my studies and really learn it, not just be aware of it.

For example:

Q: How long has God existed?
A: From everlasting (Psalm 90:2)

Q: What does God depend on for His existence?
A: Nothing (Acts 17:25)

In the above examples, I'm looking to know the answer to the question, and the
Scripture reference(s) that support the answer. I'm not sure how to set this up.
I know the structure of the questions is very
important, so any tips would be helpful.

>What versions do you use?
>
I just downloaded the freeware version ( ver. 7)

In Christ,
Keith Gardner
kgard@...

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Hi folks,

as I had just mentioned I'm learning to use incremental reading. That's a
blaze, though so far I am only on short articles. I scanned the text book
problems with the solutions and each article consists of the problem and its
solution.

That's great since I got my scanner to work and one can work a lot better
then in the text book. You only need a reliable OCR program. But there are
lots of good programs out there.

Now what I just discovered is, that one can go back with that link to the
word processor, in most cases word to correct any possible errors from the
scanning. These errors can be spelling (thus using the dictionary) or more
probable formatting. And that is where the programs work really well
together. Especially while in word, SM blocks the process, so you can't mess
up. I think that's neat.
All the best

Reinhard K. Köhler

Hi folks,

I just looked over the posts, most are from me. That's fine with me. I'm
trying to get life into the young group. I hope you don't think I would like
to make myself important.

I'm simply writing about SM since I'm using it almost all day everyday
(preparing for an important professional exam). I write about the stuff of
which I hope is of interest to you, especially since I am learning to use
its wide possibilities. This is always a step by step process, documentation
isn't very good though help by SM is!!! Anyway I do struggle with the
documentation, so I think sharing our experiences would help a lot.

So please share, I'm eager to learn from you, like is someone using scripts,
sounds, pronunciation, task lists, mulitple choice?

like how does one prioritisize (does this word exist like that?) tasks
effectively? Does anyone use the plans for your organisizing your day?

Do you use this article function? What are your experiences?

What do you use supermemo for? Do you use it often?

What versions do you use?

So please enkindle life to the list!

All the best and have fun using supermemo!

Reinhard K. Köhler

WOWWWW That's great:

one can do gap texts from the articles, by using the (light blue or green
Ts) and thus create learning elements, they can even be set on deadline.

Just wanted to share.

Reinhard K. Köhler

Hi,
now I am starting to learn the reading lists. Seems to be helpful as I
solved the problem with my scanner so I can get the material into SM.

However, is this is bug that new reading elements are not introduced as
article but as a task? Ok, that way it could be priotizied.

But is it ok, that this task is always put as a top knot right underneath
the top collection knot?
I'd like to have it in a drawer together with the other stuff, so it's
neatly arranged according to it's topic.

But I can define the knot as current hook as much as I want, the effect is
only on the elements but not on the reading tasks. I doubt that this was
your purpose. Can you help?
Thanks a lot.


Reinhard K. Köhler

Hello Reinhard,

that was a good idea to start a discussion group about supermemo.

The supermemo group in Germany is not very active.

Perhaps some short infos for the other members of this group.

I myself use supermemo quite actively now for about half a year.  At the
moment I use it  only to learn languages.

In february this year I started with french and have now learnt about 2300
words with a retention rate of over 85%.  Next step is to train the important
grammar and increase the vocabulary to about 4000 words.

Parallel I also started to learn Spanish and Turkish and to repeat Latin. But
with these languages I go on much slower.

Turkish is of course quite difficulty to learn, because one can form no
associations at first. But now it gets easier.

The main problem in using SuperMemo is to prepare all the stuff, which one
wants to learn, because this is quite time consuming.

Reinhard, I wish you much success with this group and will do my best, to
take active part in discusssions.

Regards

Claus

Another dialog with supermemo possibly of interest to you
All the best
Reinhard


>>> And though I'm leanrning something about 10hrs a day I'm still at the
>>> beginnings of Abgabenordnung.
>>> Is there a way to prioritize or better organize

probably plain incremental reading would do best (there will be an article
by Mariusz Zmuda on this subject at supermemo.com soon - learning law with
incremental reading).
Unfortunately, good incremental reading requires lots of training and
practice and if your exam comes soon, you would probably better combine
traditional learning with SuperMemo instead of relying 100% on SuperMemo.
(remember about backups!)

Hi,
I just got an interesting article from Supermemo you might be interested in:
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article by Mariusz Zmuda (this is incompletely reviewed article and may
include minor errors) - it will be published in a week or two

-------------------------

Case study: Studying Law with SuperMemo | Mariusz Zmuda, Poland, June 2001
|

Mariusz Zmuda  is a 23-year-old student of the last year of law school at
the Adam Mickiewicz University in Poland. He wrote this article in response
to a request for help from a new American user of SuperMemo studying law and
wondering how effective SuperMemo could be in his field. This text has been
reviewed courtesy of Trish Maguder Ward and Monika Morawska  |
Learning at the university
This article will show you how you can excel at your university with some
help from SuperMemo. Even though I am student of law my tips are relevant to
all students. I do not subscribe to the CPD idea of "cram, pass or dump"
(i.e. cram for exams and forget as soon as you pass). It seems to me that
the main problem of students around the world is that they are required to
learn more material that it is physically possible. Somehow, this simple
fact cannot be understood by our teachers. Over the last couple of years I
met many lecturers and almost everyone told students: "You may study many
different subjects at school, but remember: the most important subject of
all is ... (here comes the lecturer's specialty) ... because ... (here comes
a few dozen reasons)", etc. etc. Has not anybody ever measured how much time
there is in a day, how much is needed to learn a given book, and how many
books we got in each given year? You as a student will have to go through
this paranoia. You got to learn to live with it!
Time limitations and your majors
The problem of excess learning material is huge in global terms. SuperMemo
may maximize the speed of learning, but it does not solve the problem of the
teachers' perceptions. You will be bogged down by tons of books and notes to
comply with your teacher's demands. You will have to spend days cramming
things that are not only too much but often useless and boring. A year after
exams, naturally, you will not remember a fraction of thus mangled material.
Pure waste of time and human resources. No wonder you searched the net for
something like SuperMemo. SuperMemo will help you but it is not a panacea.
Prioritize your knowledge
It does not take long to realize that even SuperMemo cannot resolve the
problem of material excess. Conclusion: You need to prioritize! I had to
prioritize my study notes in my law collections (i.e. SuperMemo databases
that store learning material). To be honest, I would want to put all my
books into SuperMemo, but this is obviously impossible. Luckily for me, my
girlfriend Magda studies the same program with me. Helping each other cuts
down some of the tedious jobs in half. However, even with doubled output, we
could not introduce enough material to SuperMemo.
The next skill we needed to develop was time-management. Our observation was
that, strangely, most of our lecturers would test us in knowledge of the
last few pages of lecture books. This helped in targeting the material we
needed to study. Besides, we chose the material that we could use even in a
distant future: civil law. Civil law makes the largest part of our
collections (ca 4,500 items).
Finally we decided to learn codes paragraphs and some excerpts from notes
and textbooks using Q&As, cloze deletions, and simple enumeration (see
below).
Example of an enumeration:
Question: Roman law was based on the following rules: ...
Answer: - bonum - aequitas - humanitas
Today, I have separated my learning material into two collections: The first
collection includes the courses that will soon end with an exam. The other
collection includes only the material that I have already taken the exam
for. This dramatically improves optimization of my work. On one hand I can
cram some less useful stuff for exam. On the other, I can weed old material
from things that seem useless. For my exams this June, I used incremental
reading for the first time.
Searching for materials and the problem of obsolescence
The greatest problem in learning law is that your study material may quickly
become outdated. Law is like a living body that is always in the process of
change. Luckily, I was in a good situation because the Polish parliament
approved wide reforms of the law, including the new constitution, new penal
codes, new commercial codes, etc. So I have already learnt the new laws.
Also, the Internet helps me find codes and save invaluable hours. This way,
I did not have to write down things by myself. I could import them to
SuperMemo directly from the net. Of course, you can memorize only facts and
rules that never change, for example, definitions from the law of
succession, etc. It is entirely up to you.
If you are a student of natural sciences, the question of obsolescence is
certainly less painful. You can use the Internet to find your materials and
commit them to memory almost without change and without worrying that it all
will do more damage than good in three years. With things memorized with
SuperMemo, you may be tempted not to bother to consult the most recent
changes in the law. This way, instead of being a wiser lawyer, you are a
"too smart" lawyer.
I found some materials ready for learning on SuperMemo MegaMix (both in
Polish and in English). Naturally, I study many things apart from the law.
This made me think that sometimes it is better to search for someone who
could have already developed a relevant learning material than to bother by
oneself . An example of a web page with free collections is  (unfortunately
this is all in Polish).
Incremental reading
Try to use incremental reading with SuperMemo 2000. It helps you collect and
organize articles or texts that you are interested in. For text from your
textbooks use a scanner and OCR software. Import your articles to SM2000.
Use incremental reading to read and review articles and excerpts. SuperMemo
will automatically determine optimum intervals for material review.
Incremental reading is the method that falls between the SuperMemo method
and traditional learning. Nothing special you say? If you are hungry for
knowledge, it will speed up absorbing it. It is like sex: just try it, and
you will never stop.
Remember! I made lots of mistakes during my first four years of learning
with SuperMemo. By reading about my mistakes, I hope you will avoid your
own.
These are my Top Ten Hints to combine your college learning with SuperMemo:
Choose majors which can be really useful in your future career or life. Let
your collections reflect your priorities
Introduce to SuperMemo as many items from your majors as you can. Do it
before exams. If you say "I will complete my collection in this field
later". You will certainly never do it
Estimate the daily time you are able to spend with SuperMemo (e.g. 2-6
hours), and the number of items that you are to memorize each day. Do not
exaggerate! If you strictly observe your limits, your knowledge will swell
greatly over months and years
Don't stop learning with SuperMemo before exams! I must admit that sometimes
I didn't stick to this rule (7-10 days before exams, I gave up to resume
SuperMemo learning upon passing exams). SuperMemo 2000 lets you read your
university textbooks with incremental reading  which makes it easier to
reduce the loads in critical time
Find a friend or friends with who you can add new items to SuperMemo and
then exchange them. It will save you lots of time
Set a low forgetting index  before exams. I set the forgetting index to 3%,
and then, after passing exams, I change it to 8-12%. Don't say "I must
remember everything". It will result in over-scheduling and ... you will
stop learn older collections or branches when new exams increase the
pressure. I such mistakes in the past, and now I am a bit wiser
Learn leech management . Leeches can damage your learning process and
discourage you from learning with SuperMemo!
Learn how to formulate your learning material. See: 20 rules of formulating
knowledge
Use mnemonic methods to memorized leeches. For example: "Which are the
richest countries in Europe?". If these were "Austria, Sweden, Slovakia"
(which is naturally not true), you could just remember the initials (check
it out). I bet you will remember this acronym. Using SuperMemo with mnemonic
methods will greatly ease the pain of leeches which are inevitable
Do not learn when you are sleepy. This is a total waste of time. Try free
running sleep
My Decalogue is slightly different from the one at supermemo.com

Here an anwer I got to a question I asked Supermemo, which might be
interesting to you:

Reinhard
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You mention the value of tasks. How do I know how much a task is worth?

---------- SuperMemo Support responded:

Estimating value of tasks is entirely up to you. The simplest approach is to
ask yourself a question: How much would I be ready to pay for having this
task done? For example, how much would I be ready to pay to have this
article read and processed? Value estimation is a skill that is worth
developing independent of SuperMemo. Is your time valuable enough not to
pick up a nickel? Or perhaps not? Is the value of comfort high enough to
justify a bus fare or should you just walk two bus stops? Or perhaps the
walk has an added health value? We must make those estimations on a daily
basis to function efficiently. This is why a little training with SuperMemo
will probably not be wasted time. See also:
http://www.supermemo.com/articles/tasklists.htm

Hi, so far not many members in Supermemo.

Any ideas how we can improve member turnout, who to invite?

Now I am the owner of the list. Who am I a part of that?

Well I'm guy from Duesseldorf in Germany. I currently am preparing
for my tax consultant exam. I do this extensively with supermemo, I
already couldn't imagine without it.

If you have some other ideas where to put SM to use just post.
Or if you special experiences do so too,
if you find errors or solutions do so...

Especially have fun.
Reinhard