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RE: [svg-developers] Lots of SVG objects in IE (was Re: Inline SVG and CSS in IE)

> The script shouldn't work anyway because you can't append fallback
content elements to <embed>. HTML 5 doesn't allow that either, if I read
well. <

Let us agree that the script would not work (or even exist) in an ideal
world. However, in the actual world, we are working with browsers which
violate all sorts of important metaphysical principles (e.g. that
"ought" implies "can"). From the practical point of view, then, and
without passing any value judgments, it does appear that IE executes (or
not) its fallback logic on the object elements. If the decision is to
fall back, then it seems the object elements are ignored; otherwise, the
child elements (except param elements) are eliminated. So when the
script runs and the object elements are converted to embeds, all is in
fact well, except for the erratic loading of the object/fallback data.

> Jquery, Ext.js and others all add methods to the Array prototype, but
I'd be surprised if they added elements to arrays. If using jQuery one
cannot loop through array elements using 'for in' then that's really
scary! Maybe you mean objects, as class instances, where you get all
(almost) the enumerable properties... <

Well, I hereby surprise you. They do. And yes, the ability of javascript
frameworks to break the expected behaviour of native types IS scary.

> I just tried 8 <object> tags with SVGs (+ scripts and SMIL) and IE8
runs all of them fine for like 5 secs and then crashes. With no plugin
it loads the fallback png's fast. <

That's interesting. Try the example on my site, with 21 SVG objects:

http://smithies.org/cpks/test/

What was your score? I'll bet it wasn't 21! (This example does not use
the script at all. The sole purpose of the script was to get IE to
render the SVG backgrounds transparent.)

Regards,

Christopher S.




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Hi, I have to create a html file containing multiple svg objects. The html page should be displayed local on the pc using MS Internet Explorer 7. I tried the...
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Jul 1, 2009
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I have not attempted inline SVG with IE. However, I wanted to raise a related issue about multiple SVG objects in IE. My experience of including multiple SVG...
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Jul 2, 2009
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... Hi Christopher, I haven't had this problem. I haven't forced a test yet. but I've had 20-30 svg embeds in the past. Could you post a typical html segment...
Francis Hemsher
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Jul 2, 2009
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Greetings, Francis. This is the sort of thing that I'd be using, e.g. for a button icon: <object type="image/svg+xml" width="20" height="20" ...
CPK Smithies
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Hi CPK, I would love to get this code as a test case for the SVG Web project to test real world usage. Can I grab it from you? I would have to adapt it a bit...
Bradley Neuberg
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Hi Christopher, Three comments: IE is not happy unless the embed is sitting in the page at load,plus it tends to ingore a dynamic src, and also, in my...
Francis Hemsher
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Hi Christopher, The script cannot work because it tries to remove children from obs while working with its length, which is live for getElementsByTagName. ...
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... From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:svg-developers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Domenico Strazzullo Sent: 04 July 2009 12:59 ... obs while working...
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... True, I missed it. The script shouldn't work anyway because you can't append fallback content elements to <embed>. HTML 5 doesn't allow that either, if I...
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... content elements to <embed>. HTML 5 doesn't allow that either, if I read well. < Let us agree that the script would not work (or even exist) in an ideal ...
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Results from http://smithies.org/cpks/test/ IE = v:8.0.6001.18783 IE64 = v:8.0.6001.18783 64-bit Edition Testing both versions on a 64-bit system. IE64 With...
Domenico Strazzullo
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Can I get some test cases around this? I want to see if the SVG Web toolkit we are building suffers from this, and to find workarounds if necessary....
Bradley Neuberg
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Hi Alex, ... [...] ... [...] ... Yes, I haven't tested for sure but inline CSS should work. The problem here seems to be the CSS selector ("*"), which as far...
Helder Magalhães
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Hi Helder, thanks for answer. I tried simpler CSS but it seems that IE ignors any CSS classes. Regards, Alex...
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