Hello Pierre

We faced the same problem, ie, developping a web site using SVG which
can be seen on Windows (of course) and on Mac and Linux.
That's why we choose a fullSVG version. So we developped a graphical
  library  with checkboxes, listboxes and so.
And we do not use HTML anymore. So no problem of communication between
SVG and HTML.
You can see if at http://sigeure.logatique.fr/ouvre.asp   in french

Hope it helps

Jérôme

Pierre Bru a écrit:

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>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>The Adobe SVG viewer does not work well with Mozilla.
>>>
>>>
>>Why not? Adobe SVG viewer 3.01 should work well with Mozilla to render
>>SVG content embedded in a HTML page, the only thing not supported is
>>HTML<-->SVG script communication.
>>
>>
>
>that's quiete annoying... :( I tried this very simple example
>  http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/samples/canvas.shtml
>and the checkboxes do not work...
>
>that's what I call "does not work well" and why I'm searching for an
>alternative.
>
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Hi, All.

   I'm designing web interface using numerous svgs as controls. Some
times my interface explodes with stack overflow error.

  Through the debuging I've found out that calls inside controls were
placed into single stack.

   There is no recursion but simply too many svgs. How can I work
around this problem?

Hello,

I would like to run two servers.
One is serving svg pages and the other
is only used to upload and serve data (jpeg files
for instance).

Now I cannot use getURL on pages served from the
first server to download data from the second server.

Apprently this is impossible for security reasons.

Anyway work around for this ?????????????

Thanks
JD

good to hear.

Would be interested to see the application, but I guess it is
inhouse.

Andreas

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> As this is out of the ordinary,
> and most interesting.
> item at http://www.svgx.org
>
> South Carolina's Hurricane Evacuation Web System
> Enhanced with Intergraph's SVG-based Solution
> -from gisuser.com, Written by Intergraph
>  see; GIS, Mapping, and Geospatial Solutions by Intergraph
section; tools
> "Scalable Vector Graphics.. successfully met its first challenge"
>
>
>
> http://www.gisuser.com/content/view/3086/
> -press release from Intergraph;
> http://imgs.intergraph.com/newsroom/pressrelease.asp?id=481
>
> michael bolger

Hi,

with Adobe SVG viewer within a webbrowser it is not possible.

The same security limitations apply to webbrowsers and flash as
well.

you have to use the webserver you send the initial SVG from as a
proxy. You can still use another server for the data base or as a
geodata server.

Raster images can come from a different server, I don't know about
svg images ...

With Batik you could loosen the security settings in the preferences
and thus use different servers as well. Not entirely sure, but I
think it works with Batik.



--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jean-David Benamou
<jean-david.benamou@i...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I would like to run two servers.
> One is serving svg pages and the other
> is only used to upload and serve data (jpeg files
> for instance).
>
> Now I cannot use getURL on pages served from the
> first server to download data from the second server.
>
> Apprently this is impossible for security reasons.
>
> Anyway work around for this ?????????????
>
> Thanks
> JD

Andreas Neumann wrote:

>Hi,
>
>with Adobe SVG viewer within a webbrowser it is not possible.
>
>The same security limitations apply to webbrowsers and flash as
>well.
>
>you have to use the webserver you send the initial SVG from as a
>proxy. You can still use another server for the data base or as a
>geodata server.
>

Just to be sure :

The Webserver which serves the svg that makes a javascript GetURL call
must be a proxy server of the server that serves files fetched with
getURL ??


why would that work with jpeg and not svg file ???

Thanks
JD


>Raster images can come from a different server, I don't know about
>svg images ...
>
>With Batik you could loosen the security settings in the preferences
>and thus use different servers as well. Not entirely sure, but I
>think it works with Batik.
>
>
>
>--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jean-David Benamou
><jean-david.benamou@i...> wrote:
>
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I would like to run two servers.
>>One is serving svg pages and the other
>>is only used to upload and serve data (jpeg files
>>for instance).
>>
>>Now I cannot use getURL on pages served from the
>>first server to download data from the second server.
>>
>>Apprently this is impossible for security reasons.
>>
>>Anyway work around for this ?????????????
>>
>>Thanks
>>JD
>>
>>
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:44:27 +0200
    From: "Bru, Pierre" <pierre.bru@...>

> The Adobe SVG viewer does not work well with Mozilla. Is it possible to
> encapsulate the batik SVG engine in an applet that would act as an SVG
> viewer ? If so, does one of you know such an applet ?

It is possible. One of our large corporate clients used Batik as the SVG viewer
inside a Java applet to serve financial reports from Oracle of up to 50 pages to
the user's browser in real-time. Our ps2vector software generated the SVG pages
on the server from PostScript data streams generated out of Oracle upon the
user's request.

The applet was a proprietary solution and part of a large enterprise application
they sell to the financial industry, so I can't point you to any code or
anything. But the example illustrates that it is possible, good enough for a
mission-critical application like this! I'm not sure how Batik would deal with
interactivity, animation and the like.

Regards,

Jeroen Dekker
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Hi.
there is no reason why a server side script cannot access a second
server to obtain information, then return this to the client.

so instead of attepting getURL("www.remoteserver.com\data.xml) which
will not work.
try
getURL("myserver\getdata.php?data=www.remoteserver.com\data.xml")

the getdata.php script would then do the accessing of the remote data.

for example the php function 'file' which reads a file from any url into
an array. you can then step through the array and 'write' back to the
client the content that you like. as far as the svg browser is concerned
you  have not left the domain.

i'm sure the same is possible with asp, et al.

r,
James


Andreas Neumann wrote:

>Hi,
>
>with Adobe SVG viewer within a webbrowser it is not possible.
>
>The same security limitations apply to webbrowsers and flash as
>well.
>
>you have to use the webserver you send the initial SVG from as a
>proxy. You can still use another server for the data base or as a
>geodata server.
>
>Raster images can come from a different server, I don't know about
>svg images ...
>
>With Batik you could loosen the security settings in the preferences
>and thus use different servers as well. Not entirely sure, but I
>think it works with Batik.
>
>
>
>--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jean-David Benamou
><jean-david.benamou@i...> wrote:
>
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I would like to run two servers.
>>One is serving svg pages and the other
>>is only used to upload and serve data (jpeg files
>>for instance).
>>
>>Now I cannot use getURL on pages served from the
>>first server to download data from the second server.
>>
>>Apprently this is impossible for security reasons.
>>
>>Anyway work around for this ?????????????
>>
>>Thanks
>>JD
>>
>>
>
>
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wrote:
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Honnen"
> <honnen_martin@y...> wrote:
> > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Bru, Pierre" <pierre.bru@s...>
> > wrote:
> >

> > Adobe SVG viewer 3.01 should work well with Mozilla to render
> > SVG content embedded in a HTML page, the only thing not supported is
> > HTML<-->SVG script communication.
>
> that's quiete annoying... :( I tried this very simple example
>   http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/samples/canvas.shtml
> and the checkboxes do not work...
>
> that's what I call "does not work well" and why I'm searching for an
> alternative.


I see, but if you stuff Batik into an applet and embed that in an HTML
page you are first of all getting an SVG viewer that is not connected
with the browser/HTML page and are then faced with the task to get
script communication between HTML<-->Applet<-->Batik to work where I
have doubts that you end up with more working combinations of
browser/SVG viewer/OS than the Adobe SVG viewer offers.
And Batik as far as I know doesn't support SMIL animation in SVG graphics.

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jean-David Benamou <jean-
david.benamou@i...> wrote:
> Andreas Neumann wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >with Adobe SVG viewer within a webbrowser it is not possible.
> >
> >The same security limitations apply to webbrowsers and flash as
> >well.
> >
> >you have to use the webserver you send the initial SVG from as a
> >proxy. You can still use another server for the data base or as a
> >geodata server.
> >
>
> Just to be sure :
>
> The Webserver which serves the svg that makes a javascript GetURL call
> must be a proxy server of the server that serves files fetched with
> getURL ??

you would have to do the getUrl to the server that served the initial SVG file.
And a
serverside script on the first server would request the data from the other
server serving
the data. Just as James described it in his mail.

> why would that work with jpeg and not svg file ???

maybe it works - I just did not try it - I tried it for jpegs und pngs

Andreas

Actually, there are many easy ways to get HTML<->Applet<->Batik
communications working reliably, across many browsers.  In actuality, what
you want is ECMAScript<->Applet<->Batik communications.  All major browsers
that we've worked with support LiveConnect for JavaScript<->Java
communications (bi-directionally).

Rick Bullotta
CTO
Lighthammer Software (http://www.lighthammer.com)

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To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Batik in an applet as an SVG viewer

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre Bru" <pierre.bru@s...>
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> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Honnen"
> <honnen_martin@y...> wrote:
> > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Bru, Pierre" <pierre.bru@s...>
> > wrote:
> >

> > Adobe SVG viewer 3.01 should work well with Mozilla to render
> > SVG content embedded in a HTML page, the only thing not supported is
> > HTML<-->SVG script communication.
>
> that's quiete annoying... :( I tried this very simple example
>   http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/samples/canvas.shtml
> and the checkboxes do not work...
>
> that's what I call "does not work well" and why I'm searching for an
> alternative.


I see, but if you stuff Batik into an applet and embed that in an HTML
page you are first of all getting an SVG viewer that is not connected
with the browser/HTML page and are then faced with the task to get
script communication between HTML<-->Applet<-->Batik to work where I
have doubts that you end up with more working combinations of
browser/SVG viewer/OS than the Adobe SVG viewer offers.
And Batik as far as I know doesn't support SMIL animation in SVG graphics.






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Hi,

  I am using the  function printNode on IE using ASV 3.

alert(printNode(SVGDocument));

But i get an error -> Object Expected.

Please let me know the problem.

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>  I am using the  function printNode on IE using ASV 3.
>
> alert(printNode(SVGDocument));
>
> But i get an error -> Object Expected.
> Please let me know the problem.

It looks like your "SVGDocument" object is not defined.

--
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While checking/ implementing SVG Tiny 1.2 DOM
  I got several questions:

1. THE COLOR TRAITS
In the A.2.6 Attribute and Property Access is written "Trait is the
typed value (e.g., a number, not just a string) that gets assigned
through an XML attribute"

The set trait for color uses two functions instead of one:

setRGBColorTrait [null | SVGRGBColor]
setTrait(none | currentColor | inherit)

I see here a problem for application programmers who are not experts
in SVG. Why there are two functions for the same type?

The get trait for color uses just one function: getRGBColorTrait.
So, there is no way to know that the given PathElement, for example,
uses the `currentColor' of the parent GroupElement.

The get trait also does not allow to know that the PathElement fill
attribute is inherited from the parent GroupElement.

If the getRGBColorTrait returns null. What it is suppose to mean:
none, currentColor or inherit?

The set and get traits must be consistent. If the program sets the
fill attribute to `currentColor' it must be a way later on to check
if this attribute equals to the `currentColor'.
As I understand the whole idea behind traits is to provide strongly
typed access to SVG attributes. In a case of color we have two types
instead of one!

2. SVGSVGElement

In the SVGSVGElement there is a new attribute that could not be found
in the previous versions of SVG DOM.

attribute float currentRotate; // raises (DOMException) on setting

The question is how this parameter applied to the current
transformation matrix?
Does it go after the currentTranslate of before? What are the order
of operations now for the current transform? Do we need this at all?
I mean that there is no explanation why it is in the DOM now.

3. Fixed Points vs Float Points
Most mobile devices on the market use CLDC Java that does not have
floating point numbers. What do you think about to have also the same
SVG Tiny 1.2 DOM API with fixed-point numbers?


That's all for now I will keep checking….;)
Andrew Girow
www.tinyline.com

I have not been able to find a schema (.xsd) for SVG.

The 1.1 spec has a DTD, and 1.2 seems to use RelaxNG...Was .xsd just
skipped?  If not, does anyone have one?

Thanks,
Leonard

hi guys,
i was wondering if there is anyway i could creating a SVG document using
JavaScript similar to how you can create an xml document using JSP.

thanks


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Leonard Rosenthol wrote:
> The 1.1 spec has a DTD, and 1.2 seems to use RelaxNG...Was .xsd just
> skipped?  If not, does anyone have one?

The RNG in the 1.2 draft isn't complete and has some bugs but you should
be able to use Trang to convert it to XSD. The final spec will have XSD
but not before, they are too painful to produce and not expressive enough.

--
Robin Berjon

On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 5:27:55 PM, Leonard wrote:

LR> I have not been able to find a schema (.xsd) for SVG.

LR> The 1.1 spec has a DTD, and 1.2 seems to use RelaxNG...Was .xsd just
LR> skipped?  If not, does anyone have one?

It wasn't "just" skipped. W3C XML Schema (RelaxNG) was carefully
evaluated, including discussions with the Schema WG, and it was found
that the features for modular schema design were not sufficient (and the
features that it does have were not so well implemented). In addition,
it does not offer the facility to have contextual content models (for
example, it is not possible to have the content model for a 'g' element
inside a 'text' element be the same as the content model for a 'text'
element).

So, a conscious decision to develop in RelaxNG and not in XSD was taken.

I expect that we will produce a .xsd schema by conversion with trang [1]
(see James Clark's discussion of this from the XML 2003 conference[2]).
The resulting schema will be looser than the RelaxNG schema - it will
accept as valid some things that the RelaxNG will catch.

Ideally we would add a type library so that for example attribute values
with units (width="12.4cm") would validate as a real number followed by
an accepted unit, rather than as a string or as a string that follows
some complex regexp. Depending on available time and whether this is
seen as useful.

Meanwhile I encourage you, if you need a .xsd schema, to try converting
the SVG 1.2 Tiny schema to .xsd (with trang, or with any other method
you find suitable), and post your impressions of the suitability of the
resulting schema to your needs. You might find the Sun Multi-Schema XML
Validator [3] useful for this evaluation. On Linux (and cygwin), Daniel
Veillard's libxml2[4] has useful RelaxNG support as well. Oh! I see that
there are binaries for MacOS X as well.

Are you using the schema for validation, or to assist document creation
in a syntax-aware editor?

People using it for the latter might be interested to evaluate the
oXygen XML editor [5] which has RelaxNG supported editing. I would be
interested to hear of other editors that people find useful on various
platforms.

[1] http://www.thaiopensource.com/relaxng/trang.html
[2] http://www.thaiopensource.com/relaxng/convert-to-xsd-talk.html
[3] http://wwws.sun.com/software/xml/developers/multischema/index.html
[4] http://www.xmlsoft.org/
[5] http://www.oxygenxml.com/


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  Member, W3C Technical Architecture Group

> hi guys,
> i was wondering if there is anyway i could creating a SVG
> document using JavaScript similar to how you can create an
> xml document using JSP.

You mean, JavaScript client side ou server side ? an SVG document is
nothing more than an XML document...

> thanks

Pierre.

Hi,

Is it possible to "document.write" text into an SVG element in order to
dynamically modify its content from a javascript script running on the
client (browser) ? Or maybe using the DOM API ?

Pierre.


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Bru, Pierre wrote:
> Is it possible to "document.write" text into an SVG element in order to
> dynamically modify its content from a javascript script running on the
> client (browser) ? Or maybe using the DOM API ?

Yes, you have to use the DOM. document.write is not available.

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> It wasn't "just" skipped. W3C XML Schema (RelaxNG) was carefully
> evaluated, including discussions with the Schema WG, and it was found
> that the features for modular schema design were not sufficient (and the
> features that it does have were not so well implemented). In addition,
> it does not offer the facility to have contextual content models (for
> example, it is not possible to have the content model for a 'g' element
> inside a 'text' element be the same as the content model for a 'text'
> element).
>
	 Funny you should use that as an example - as that was EXACTLY the reason
that I was looking for the SVG Schema ;).

	 I am working on writing some proposals for JDF extensions and modelling
them on SVG (so as to be able to leverage existing work/tools/etc).  In
writing up the Schema for <use>, I realized that I couldn't figure out how
to define it - so I thought I'd just lift it from the SVG one.


> So, a conscious decision to develop in RelaxNG and not in XSD was taken.
>
	 Then I will go spend some time looking at/learning RelaxNG and then use
that to define my grammar.


> Ideally we would add a type library so that for example attribute values
> with units (width="12.4cm") would validate as a real number followed by
> an accepted unit, rather than as a string or as a string that follows
> some complex regexp.
>
	 This is also an issue for me as well - since not only does my grammar
support units such as this, but also allows mathematical expressions for any
coordinate value.  This is to allow coordinate specifications relative to
other objects or "print elements" (like page boxes).


> People using it for the latter might be interested to evaluate the
> oXygen XML editor [5] which has RelaxNG supported editing.
>
	 I've been using XMLSpy - but it does look like I need to check out oXygen
as well...


Thanks Chris!

Leonard

Hi,

  Is there any way i can debug my javascript+svg at
Runtime as  it is rendered on the browser.

Please let me know

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> Bru, Pierre wrote:
> > Is it possible to "document.write" text into an SVG element
> > in order to dynamically modify its content from a javascript
> > script running on the client (browser) ? Or maybe using the DOM API
?
>
> Yes, you have to use the DOM. document.write is not available.

Maybe you have a (small) exemple ? :)

> --
> Robin Berjon

Pierre.

Pierre,

Yes, it is very possible.   There are some sticky points to consider though as
most browsers do not support inline SVG and rely on third party helper apps to
render content.   If you are using ASV (Adobe) then you can use ASV's internal
JavaScript engine to access the DOM.   You can also use the native browser
JavaScript engine, but there are some minor problems with bridging the gap
between browser and plug-in objects.   To make changes you modify the DOM tree
directly by creating and destroying nodes; "document.write" will not work.

-Scott Naef

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Hi,

Is it possible to "document.write" text into an SVG element in order to
dynamically modify its content from a javascript script running on the
client (browser) ? Or maybe using the DOM API ?

Pierre.


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> Hi,
>
>  Is there any way i can debug my javascript+svg at
> Runtime as  it is rendered on the browser.
>
> Please let me know

Maybe with a javascript debugger ?
http://gemal.dk/mozilla/mozdev.html

> S.Pavan Kumar

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hey,
i need some help.

so I can modify the Adobe SVG Viewer Menu,
but how can I execute the funktions in the Viewer?
like 'save as'??
I want a JavaScript that save my SVG when I click on the picture
or automatic.
Is this possible? Nevermind the Adobe Engine is written in JavaScript
so maybe it is possible to change the Java-DOM

thx you for everything

Hello,

The first working draft of SVG's XML Binding Language (sXBL) has been
released today. This replaces RCC, and has been split off into a
separate specification.

http://www.w3.org/TR/sXBL/

Oh, don't skip over the abstract and the status of this document, they
do say useful things as well as the usual legalese.

We are sorry it took so long to get a consensus draft that could be
published, and hope it is worth the wait. Comments are very much
encouraged, and should be sent to www-svg@.... There are specific
requests for feedback at various places in the specification;comments on
all the rest of it are of course welcome too, but we want to get thos
especific areas settled for the next draft.

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  Member, W3C Technical Architecture Group

>> The Adobe SVG viewer does not work well with Mozilla.

>Why not? Adobe SVG viewer 3.01 should work well with Mozilla to
>render SVG content embedded in a HTML page, the only thing not
>supported is HTML<-->SVG script communication.

For me, HTML<-->SVG script communication is essential.  It works fine
in ASV3/IE, but does anyone know of plans for it to be implemented in
ASV3 with Netscape/Mozilla/Firefox/Safari?


>FYI - the Mozilla build with native SVG support looks promising.  It
>has script support within SVG and from SVG to the owning document
>(still need to test invoking routines within SVG from the HTML side).

Sounds great!  (Native SVG has to be the future, but how soon does the
future come to all the browsers? :) )

>I've been able to overcome most differences so far between IE+ASV and
>Mozilla+native SVG which is good news.

Do you do this by serving two versions of the 'same' page (ie, one
version for Mozilla with native SVG, and one version for IE with ASV
and <embed>), or can you 'hide' content from the browsers, and use a
single html page?  I would be very interested in more details.