Yesterday I spoke with an Adobe person and to the direct question "...
Did you disable SVG in Webkit for Apollo?" I got this direct
answer "... We did disable it but we're trying to put it back, although
it's difficult to keep everything" [citation].

I don't know what to think because it would seem easier to me to leave
evrything in place than to take things out. I was promised I would get
a definitive answer by mail. I don't know what to make of it since it
can be interpreted as positive or negative, but it surely proves the
door is not shut and maybe this is the right time for those who have
any influence to try to intercede in favor of keeping SVG.

Apollo with SVG is certainly bad news for Silverlight. BTW, I'm very
impressed by Apollo. It's proprietary but many of it's components are
Open standards. Webkit is Open source and perhaps the idea of taking
advantage and benefit from an Open source project while making
discriminatory cuts to it should be somewhat uncomfortable or even
embarassing. On the other end, leaving it intact would definitely be an
asset, competition wise. As a developer I would most certainly adopt
Apollo as a side kick if it really responds to the claim of
facilitating the coder/designer relationship, while still keeping SVG.
In case webkit is slaughtered just to get rid of SVG If wouldn't adopt
Apollo at least until SVG would be officially dead, knowing that Jazz
has been declared officially dead a number of times during the last
five decades. In the end not only it is alive and well but it has even
got academic status, which is a thing that SVG already has.

Domenico

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:50:15 +0200, Domenico Strazzullo
<nst@...> wrote:

> Yesterday I spoke with an Adobe person and to the direct question "...
> Did you disable SVG in Webkit for Apollo?" I got this direct
> answer "... We did disable it but we're trying to put it back, although
> it's difficult to keep everything" [citation].

In response to a direct question at Xtech someone from Adobe gave exactly
the opposite answer. Maybe testing it a bit would be more reliable than
asking the company?

cheers

Chaals

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Hi Paul

As I didn't find Renesis yet working properly, maybe
you should test Tinyline www.tinyline.com ones? Those
are Java applets and should work with any Java enabled
browser.

Veiko
http://veikoh.wordpress.com

--- Paul Wirdnam <yahoo@...> wrote:

> I work for a large multi-national corporation that
> has standardized on
> a IE-based desktop, so switching browers to one with
> native SVG
> support is not an option.
>
> But we also have to mitigate ourselves from the
> Adobe SVG Viewer going
> out of support from 1-Jan-2008.  We've looked at the
> Renesis plug-in,
> but what other options do we have if we want to stay
> with SVG and IE?
>
> BTW: we're generating SVG using client-side XML data
> islands...in case
> that makes any difference to available options.
>
> Please help!
>
>
>
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Hi, Chaals-

Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:50:15 +0200, Domenico Strazzullo
> <nst@...> wrote:
>
>> Yesterday I spoke with an Adobe person and to the direct question "...
>> Did you disable SVG in Webkit for Apollo?" I got this direct
>> answer "... We did disable it but we're trying to put it back, although
>> it's difficult to keep everything" [citation].
>
> In response to a direct question at Xtech someone from Adobe gave exactly
> the opposite answer.

What was the response at XTech?  That they didn't disable it, or that
they aren't trying to put it back?


> Maybe testing it a bit would be more reliable than
> asking the company?

Agreed.

Regards-
-Doug

Hi,

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "amsteve23" <xfrost_03@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi.. does anyone know of any websites or webapps out there that
> utilize SVG, besides Google spreadsheets?

I don't know what you had in mind.  My site has SVG comics, including a
large project.

Richard Pearman       http://www.pixelpalaces.com/
The next stage in the evolution of web comics:
http://www.onlinecomics.net/pages/details/listing.php?comicID=4415

Hi Amsteve,

You'll find many links for sites using svg for elearning purpose in
Andreas Neumann's article:

http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/articles/paper_use_of_svg_and_ecmascri
pt_for_elearning_isprs_workshop_potsdam_2005.pdf

Cheers, Samy


--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "amsteve23" <xfrost_03@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi.. does anyone know of any websites or webapps out there that
> utilize SVG, besides Google spreadsheets?
>

Veiko,

Chances are that this Paul Wirdnam will not reply. These posts are
probably the work of some marketing guys from Microsoft/others:
dramatic topic subject/question with self response, a "Please help!"
in place of signature from somebody who seems quite competent, etc.
They are tentatives of intoxication. I'll be more than happy to be
contradicted by Paul Wirdnam' reply. This list has often been exposed
to talent drainage but at this moment it seems that some would like
to give it a fatal blow. Again, I hope this is only paranoia, but
lately there has been a recrudescence of posts that try to undermine
SVG and there's no way that a member can check if the author of a
suspicious post is a genuine member since unfortunately he or she
doesn't have access anymore to the members' list. I wonder why? In
this circumstance there is too much burden on the moderators (Doug,
how many owners/moderators left?), while some members can take part
of the load. We can't remember the names of all the members so, can
we please gain back the access to the list's information?

Domenico


--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, veiko herne <veiko_h@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Paul
>
> As I didn't find Renesis yet working properly, maybe
> you should test Tinyline www.tinyline.com ones? Those
> are Java applets and should work with any Java enabled
> browser.
>
> Veiko
> http://veikoh.wordpress.com
>
> --- Paul Wirdnam <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> > I work for a large multi-national corporation that
> > has standardized on
> > a IE-based desktop, so switching browers to one with
> > native SVG
> > support is not an option.
> >
> > But we also have to mitigate ourselves from the
> > Adobe SVG Viewer going
> > out of support from 1-Jan-2008.  We've looked at the
> > Renesis plug-in,
> > but what other options do we have if we want to stay
> > with SVG and IE?
> >
> > BTW: we're generating SVG using client-side XML data
> > islands...in case
> > that makes any difference to available options.
> >
> > Please help!
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > To unsubscribe send a message to:
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> > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers
> > and click "edit my membership"
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Domenico,

I'm more than happy to reply...I have no connection with Microsoft
whatsoever; I'm an IT architect employed by one of the major
pharmaceutical companies...and I'm saddened by your response to my
request for help / advice.

Sure, we have one in-house developer who is very competent in SVG
programming...to the extend that we adopted SVG back in 2002 for
delivering XML-based graphics on the web.  At the time, and like many
others, we standardized on the ASV for rendering in IE.

With 2008 fast approaching, and with support for ASV being dropped, I
have a responsibility to find alternative ways to render SVG in IE, so
that our existing SVG applications can continue running in a
supportable environment.

I was hoping that this forum might suggest some options so that we may
continue to use SVG with IE, and I'd like to thank Veiko for his.
Based on your response, I'm beginning to wish I hadn't come here at all...

Paul Wirdnam
UK


--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Domenico Strazzullo" <nst@...>
wrote:
>
> Veiko,
>
> Chances are that this Paul Wirdnam will not reply. These posts are
> probably the work of some marketing guys from Microsoft/others:
> dramatic topic subject/question with self response, a "Please help!"
> in place of signature from somebody who seems quite competent, etc.
> They are tentatives of intoxication. I'll be more than happy to be
> contradicted by Paul Wirdnam' reply. This list has often been exposed
> to talent drainage but at this moment it seems that some would like
> to give it a fatal blow. Again, I hope this is only paranoia, but
> lately there has been a recrudescence of posts that try to undermine
> SVG and there's no way that a member can check if the author of a
> suspicious post is a genuine member since unfortunately he or she
> doesn't have access anymore to the members' list. I wonder why? In
> this circumstance there is too much burden on the moderators (Doug,
> how many owners/moderators left?), while some members can take part
> of the load. We can't remember the names of all the members so, can
> we please gain back the access to the list's information?
>
> Domenico
>
>
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, veiko herne <veiko_h@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Paul
> >
> > As I didn't find Renesis yet working properly, maybe
> > you should test Tinyline www.tinyline.com ones? Those
> > are Java applets and should work with any Java enabled
> > browser.
> >
> > Veiko
> > http://veikoh.wordpress.com
> >
> > --- Paul Wirdnam <yahoo@> wrote:
> >
> > > I work for a large multi-national corporation that
> > > has standardized on
> > > a IE-based desktop, so switching browers to one with
> > > native SVG
> > > support is not an option.
> > >
> > > But we also have to mitigate ourselves from the
> > > Adobe SVG Viewer going
> > > out of support from 1-Jan-2008.  We've looked at the
> > > Renesis plug-in,
> > > but what other options do we have if we want to stay
> > > with SVG and IE?
> > >
> > > BTW: we're generating SVG using client-side XML data
> > > islands...in case
> > > that makes any difference to available options.
> > >
> > > Please help!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > To unsubscribe send a message to:
> > > svg-developers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > -or-
> > > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers
> > > and click "edit my membership"
> > > ----
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >     (Yahoo! ID required)
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Hi Veiko,

Many thaanks for the suggestion...I hadn't considered a Java
applet...however, because our SVG is generated on the client-side
using XML data islands and JavaScript, I'm going to assume that would
require quite a lot of re-work for our existing SVG-based applications.

I guess what I'm looking / hoping for was a straight plugin
switch...from ASV to some other.  But maybe there really isn't a
viable alternative.

Thanks

Paul
UK

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, veiko herne <veiko_h@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul
>
> As I didn't find Renesis yet working properly, maybe
> you should test Tinyline www.tinyline.com ones? Those
> are Java applets and should work with any Java enabled
> browser.
>
> Veiko
> http://veikoh.wordpress.com
>
> --- Paul Wirdnam <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> > I work for a large multi-national corporation that
> > has standardized on
> > a IE-based desktop, so switching browers to one with
> > native SVG
> > support is not an option.
> >
> > But we also have to mitigate ourselves from the
> > Adobe SVG Viewer going
> > out of support from 1-Jan-2008.  We've looked at the
> > Renesis plug-in,
> > but what other options do we have if we want to stay
> > with SVG and IE?
> >
> > BTW: we're generating SVG using client-side XML data
> > islands...in case
> > that makes any difference to available options.
> >
> > Please help!
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > To unsubscribe send a message to:
> > svg-developers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > -or-
> > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers
> > and click "edit my membership"
> > ----
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >     (Yahoo! ID required)
> >
> > mailto:svg-developers-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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And I'm happy as I said I would, Paul, of your reply.

You're right that in the immediate there's no equal replacement for
ASV in IE7.

I hope you do understand that it was not your physical person who was
in cause.

Best regards,

Domenico


--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Wirdnam" <yahoo@...>
wrote:
>
> Domenico,
>
> I'm more than happy to reply...I have no connection with Microsoft
> whatsoever; I'm an IT architect employed by one of the major
> pharmaceutical companies...and I'm saddened by your response to my
> request for help / advice.
>
> Sure, we have one in-house developer who is very competent in SVG
> programming...to the extend that we adopted SVG back in 2002 for
> delivering XML-based graphics on the web.  At the time, and like
many
> others, we standardized on the ASV for rendering in IE.
>
> With 2008 fast approaching, and with support for ASV being dropped,
I
> have a responsibility to find alternative ways to render SVG in IE,
so
> that our existing SVG applications can continue running in a
> supportable environment.
>
> I was hoping that this forum might suggest some options so that we
may
> continue to use SVG with IE, and I'd like to thank Veiko for his.
> Based on your response, I'm beginning to wish I hadn't come here at
all...
>
> Paul Wirdnam
> UK
>
>
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Domenico Strazzullo" <nst@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Veiko,
> >
> > Chances are that this Paul Wirdnam will not reply. These posts
are
> > probably the work of some marketing guys from Microsoft/others:
> > dramatic topic subject/question with self response, a "Please
help!"
> > in place of signature from somebody who seems quite competent,
etc.
> > They are tentatives of intoxication. I'll be more than happy to
be
> > contradicted by Paul Wirdnam' reply. This list has often been
exposed
> > to talent drainage but at this moment it seems that some would
like
> > to give it a fatal blow. Again, I hope this is only paranoia, but
> > lately there has been a recrudescence of posts that try to
undermine
> > SVG and there's no way that a member can check if the author of a
> > suspicious post is a genuine member since unfortunately he or she
> > doesn't have access anymore to the members' list. I wonder why?
In
> > this circumstance there is too much burden on the moderators
(Doug,
> > how many owners/moderators left?), while some members can take
part
> > of the load. We can't remember the names of all the members so,
can
> > we please gain back the access to the list's information?
> >
> > Domenico
> >
> >
> > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, veiko herne <veiko_h@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Paul
> > >
> > > As I didn't find Renesis yet working properly, maybe
> > > you should test Tinyline www.tinyline.com ones? Those
> > > are Java applets and should work with any Java enabled
> > > browser.
> > >
> > > Veiko
> > > http://veikoh.wordpress.com
> > >
> > > --- Paul Wirdnam <yahoo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I work for a large multi-national corporation that
> > > > has standardized on
> > > > a IE-based desktop, so switching browers to one with
> > > > native SVG
> > > > support is not an option.
> > > >
> > > > But we also have to mitigate ourselves from the
> > > > Adobe SVG Viewer going
> > > > out of support from 1-Jan-2008.  We've looked at the
> > > > Renesis plug-in,
> > > > but what other options do we have if we want to stay
> > > > with SVG and IE?
> > > >
> > > > BTW: we're generating SVG using client-side XML data
> > > > islands...in case
> > > > that makes any difference to available options.
> > > >
> > > > Please help!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > > To unsubscribe send a message to:
> > > > svg-developers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > > -or-
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> > > > ----
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> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Hi Veiko,

svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote on 06/08/2007 02:42:34 PM:

> Many thaanks for the suggestion...I hadn't considered a Java
> applet...however, because our SVG is generated on the client-side
> using XML data islands and JavaScript, I'm going to assume that would
> require quite a lot of re-work for our existing SVG-based applications.

    How do your SVG applications access the local XML?  Are they
local SVG files?

> I guess what I'm looking / hoping for was a straight plugin
> switch...from ASV to some other. But maybe there really isn't a
> viable alternative.

    If you just need a container to run the SVG with JavaScript,
Batik (also Java) might be considered.  It wouldn't run in a
Browser it would be a separate app (you actually could run
Batik in a browser as an applet but it's a bit big for that).

    Batik is a bit stricter on what it accepts for SVG/EcmaScript
but I think it implements just about everything ASV did.

> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, veiko herne <veiko_h@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Paul
> >
> > As I didn't find Renesis yet working properly, maybe
> > you should test Tinyline www.tinyline.com ones? Those
> > are Java applets and should work with any Java enabled
> > browser.
> >
> > Veiko
> > http://veikoh.wordpress.com
> >
> > --- Paul Wirdnam <yahoo@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I work for a large multi-national corporation that
> > > has standardized on
> > > a IE-based desktop, so switching browers to one with
> > > native SVG
> > > support is not an option.
> > >
> > > But we also have to mitigate ourselves from the
> > > Adobe SVG Viewer going
> > > out of support from 1-Jan-2008. We've looked at the
> > > Renesis plug-in,
> > > but what other options do we have if we want to stay
> > > with SVG and IE?
> > >
> > > BTW: we're generating SVG using client-side XML data
> > > islands...in case
> > > that makes any difference to available options.
> > >
> > > Please help!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > To unsubscribe send a message to:
> > > svg-developers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > -or-
> > > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers
> > > and click "edit my membership"
> > > ----
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > > (Yahoo! ID required)
> > >
> > > mailto:svg-developers-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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>

This site, my work, which uses SVG as a 2D CAD system for assembling and
laying out components.

http://www.millipe.de

It's beta.

LAMP + AJAX + SVG + X3D

Stephen



On 6/8/07, Richard Pearman <richard@...> wrote:
>
>   Hi,
>
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com <svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "amsteve23" <xfrost_03@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi.. does anyone know of any websites or webapps out there that
> > utilize SVG, besides Google spreadsheets?
>
> I don't know what you had in mind. My site has SVG comics, including a
> large project.
>
> Richard Pearman http://www.pixelpalaces.com/
> The next stage in the evolution of web comics:
> http://www.onlinecomics.net/pages/details/listing.php?comicID=4415
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A bit of searching will yield several useful examples, such as this one:

http://alzt.tau.ac.il/~dagan/tools/panZoom.svg

Stephen



On 6/7/07, yassinezt <yassinezt@...> wrote:
>
>   hi all im new in this groups please helpme i wanna make a programme
> that make zoom in svg thanx a lot
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi All,

First, while support for ASV will end as of 2008, I understand the existing
plug-in will continue to be supplied by Adobe indefinitely.  Also, the
current stable release of ASV seems (to me) as good or better than the
developing native support.  So you may be in less of a crunch than you
think.  Unless you are pushing the limits of the SVG implementation in ASV.

It looks as if the browser vector graphics market is up in the air.  SVG or
Flash or SilverLight or whatnext.  What basket do you put your eggs in?
Since you already have a mature application in SVG, you might wait to see
how it all shakes out.

I also would like to see Renesis mature.  I tried it on my app, which runs
happily under ASV and Firefox, but it was confused.  Or maybe I am!

Stephen



On 6/8/07, Domenico Strazzullo <nst@...> wrote:
>
>   And I'm happy as I said I would, Paul, of your reply.
>
> You're right that in the immediate there's no equal replacement for
> ASV in IE7.
>
> I hope you do understand that it was not your physical person who was
> in cause.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Domenico
>
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com <svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Paul Wirdnam" <yahoo@...>
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Domenico,
> >
> > I'm more than happy to reply...I have no connection with Microsoft
> > whatsoever; I'm an IT architect employed by one of the major
> > pharmaceutical companies...and I'm saddened by your response to my
> > request for help / advice.
> >
> > Sure, we have one in-house developer who is very competent in SVG
> > programming...to the extend that we adopted SVG back in 2002 for
> > delivering XML-based graphics on the web. At the time, and like
> many
> > others, we standardized on the ASV for rendering in IE.
> >
> > With 2008 fast approaching, and with support for ASV being dropped,
> I
> > have a responsibility to find alternative ways to render SVG in IE,
> so
> > that our existing SVG applications can continue running in a
> > supportable environment.
> >
> > I was hoping that this forum might suggest some options so that we
> may
> > continue to use SVG with IE, and I'd like to thank Veiko for his.
> > Based on your response, I'm beginning to wish I hadn't come here at
> all...
> >
> > Paul Wirdnam
> > UK
> >
> >
> > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com <svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Domenico Strazzullo" <nst@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Veiko,
> > >
> > > Chances are that this Paul Wirdnam will not reply. These posts
> are
> > > probably the work of some marketing guys from Microsoft/others:
> > > dramatic topic subject/question with self response, a "Please
> help!"
> > > in place of signature from somebody who seems quite competent,
> etc.
> > > They are tentatives of intoxication. I'll be more than happy to
> be
> > > contradicted by Paul Wirdnam' reply. This list has often been
> exposed
> > > to talent drainage but at this moment it seems that some would
> like
> > > to give it a fatal blow. Again, I hope this is only paranoia, but
> > > lately there has been a recrudescence of posts that try to
> undermine
> > > SVG and there's no way that a member can check if the author of a
> > > suspicious post is a genuine member since unfortunately he or she
> > > doesn't have access anymore to the members' list. I wonder why?
> In
> > > this circumstance there is too much burden on the moderators
> (Doug,
> > > how many owners/moderators left?), while some members can take
> part
> > > of the load. We can't remember the names of all the members so,
> can
> > > we please gain back the access to the list's information?
> > >
> > > Domenico
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com<svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com>,
> veiko herne <veiko_h@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Paul
> > > >
> > > > As I didn't find Renesis yet working properly, maybe
> > > > you should test Tinyline www.tinyline.com ones? Those
> > > > are Java applets and should work with any Java enabled
> > > > browser.
> > > >
> > > > Veiko
> > > > http://veikoh.wordpress.com
> > > >
> > > > --- Paul Wirdnam <yahoo@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I work for a large multi-national corporation that
> > > > > has standardized on
> > > > > a IE-based desktop, so switching browers to one with
> > > > > native SVG
> > > > > support is not an option.
> > > > >
> > > > > But we also have to mitigate ourselves from the
> > > > > Adobe SVG Viewer going
> > > > > out of support from 1-Jan-2008. We've looked at the
> > > > > Renesis plug-in,
> > > > > but what other options do we have if we want to stay
> > > > > with SVG and IE?
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW: we're generating SVG using client-side XML data
> > > > > islands...in case
> > > > > that makes any difference to available options.
> > > > >
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Whoah there, Turbo!  You seem to be racing to some really strange
reactions.  Enough with the conspiracy theories and ad hominem attacks.

Paul asked a pretty straightforward question.  With Microsoft, Adobe,
and Sun have all stepping up their efforts in similar spaces to SVG, and
Adobe strategically backing down on their support for SVG, there's some
natural uncertainty among people using SVG commercially.  I doubt
ranting will resolve their concerns, or add any credibility to SVG.

As to memberships, you let the moderators take care of that.  Sheesh.

Regards-
-Doug

Domenico Strazzullo wrote:
> Veiko,
>
> Chances are that this Paul Wirdnam will not reply. These posts are
> probably the work of some marketing guys from Microsoft/others:
> dramatic topic subject/question with self response, a "Please help!"
> in place of signature from somebody who seems quite competent, etc.
> They are tentatives of intoxication. I'll be more than happy to be
> contradicted by Paul Wirdnam' reply. This list has often been exposed
> to talent drainage but at this moment it seems that some would like
> to give it a fatal blow. Again, I hope this is only paranoia, but
> lately there has been a recrudescence of posts that try to undermine
> SVG and there's no way that a member can check if the author of a
> suspicious post is a genuine member since unfortunately he or she
> doesn't have access anymore to the members' list. I wonder why? In
> this circumstance there is too much burden on the moderators (Doug,
> how many owners/moderators left?), while some members can take part
> of the load. We can't remember the names of all the members so, can
> we please gain back the access to the list's information?

H, Paul-

I think Steven's got a pretty sane assessment here.  In reality, Adobe
haven't truly "supported" ASV for years.  As I've said before on this
list, Renesis is gearing up to be the active replacement for ASV, and
while it still has a way to go, it is making good progress.

Because you're using "inline SVG" (via data islands), your options are a
little limited if you want to stay in IE.  None of the Java players will
do that.  As Steven says, ASV isn't going away, so until Renesis works
for you (which bug reports would help), I think ASV is still a safe bet.

Stephen Quintero wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> First, while support for ASV will end as of 2008, I understand the existing
> plug-in will continue to be supplied by Adobe indefinitely.  Also, the
> current stable release of ASV seems (to me) as good or better than the
> developing native support.  So you may be in less of a crunch than you
> think.  Unless you are pushing the limits of the SVG implementation in ASV.
>
> It looks as if the browser vector graphics market is up in the air.  SVG or
> Flash or SilverLight or whatnext.  What basket do you put your eggs in?
> Since you already have a mature application in SVG, you might wait to see
> how it all shakes out.
>
> I also would like to see Renesis mature.  I tried it on my app, which runs
> happily under ASV and Firefox, but it was confused.  Or maybe I am!

Regards-
-Doug

I said "I hope this is only paranoia", and it turned out to be. I
apologized with Paul in some way. It's easy for you to make comments
after you see the direction of the wind.

> As to memberships, you let the moderators take care of that. Sheesh.

This is very cheap. But I don't think the members are interested in
knowing why so, sheesh yourself.


--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers <doug@...> wrote:
>
> Whoah there, Turbo!  You seem to be racing to some really strange
> reactions.  Enough with the conspiracy theories and ad hominem
attacks.
>
> Paul asked a pretty straightforward question.  With Microsoft,
Adobe,
> and Sun have all stepping up their efforts in similar spaces to
SVG, and
> Adobe strategically backing down on their support for SVG, there's
some
> natural uncertainty among people using SVG commercially.  I doubt
> ranting will resolve their concerns, or add any credibility to SVG.
>
> As to memberships, you let the moderators take care of that.
Sheesh.
>
> Regards-
> -Doug
>
> Domenico Strazzullo wrote:
> > Veiko,
> >
> > Chances are that this Paul Wirdnam will not reply. These posts
are
> > probably the work of some marketing guys from Microsoft/others:
> > dramatic topic subject/question with self response, a "Please
help!"
> > in place of signature from somebody who seems quite competent,
etc.
> > They are tentatives of intoxication. I'll be more than happy to
be
> > contradicted by Paul Wirdnam' reply. This list has often been
exposed
> > to talent drainage but at this moment it seems that some would
like
> > to give it a fatal blow. Again, I hope this is only paranoia, but
> > lately there has been a recrudescence of posts that try to
undermine
> > SVG and there's no way that a member can check if the author of a
> > suspicious post is a genuine member since unfortunately he or she
> > doesn't have access anymore to the members' list. I wonder why?
In
> > this circumstance there is too much burden on the moderators
(Doug,
> > how many owners/moderators left?), while some members can take
part
> > of the load. We can't remember the names of all the members so,
can
> > we please gain back the access to the list's information?
>

I have found many sites which utilize SVG for the purpose of
demonstrating SVG's capabilities or teaching others SVG. In fact, the
number of resources available online for SVG is, in my opinion, very
plentiful.

Sorry, I realize now that I was not very clear, but I was looking for
what I would call "real-world" sites. By that, I mean sites (either
big or small) which have decided that SVG (or, understandably, a
combination of SVG and VML) was the best solution to use in lieu of
some other technology.

The reason I post this is because I am at a crossroads in my project
where I could use either the PHP GD library, Flash, Java applets, or
SVG. I am curious how many websites have gone the SVG route, and what
they have done with it.

Thanks for your responses so far, however. I did find a couple
interesting sites that I had not yet run across in my research of SVG.
Mr. Quintero's website was very impressive.

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Samuel Dagan" <dagan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Amsteve,
>
> You'll find many links for sites using svg for elearning purpose in
> Andreas Neumann's article:
>
> http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/articles/paper_use_of_svg_and_ecmascri
> pt_for_elearning_isprs_workshop_potsdam_2005.pdf
>
> Cheers, Samy
>
>
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "amsteve23" <stephen425@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi.. does anyone know of any websites or webapps out there that
> > utilize SVG, besides Google spreadsheets?
> >
>

Paul,

Check out the possibility of using the Mozilla ActiveX control in IE
to display SVG. The ActiveX control uses the full Mozilla/Firefox
rendering engine, so it supports the same level of SVG as Firefox does.

The control is packaged as part of the Mozilla XUL Runner project and
can be downloaded from here:
http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/xulrunner/releases/1.8.1.3/contrib/w\
in32/

Note, that currently, the control is not enabled to work
"out-of-the-box" with IE, but I have a small patch on my website that
enables it:
http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2006/12/xule-what-if/

More here:
http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2007/01/mozilla-activex-control/

In the Firefox3 timeframe, the ActiveX control will be enabled for use
in IE by default and, if registered, will automatically handle
displaying SVG resources in IE. Just click on an SVG link or navigate
to an SVG URL and the Mozilla control will take over rendering the
content.

XULRunner Alpha6 (end of June 07) should be the first version with the
IE/SVG support turned on (no patches needed).

If you decide to take a look, let me know how things go,

Mark Finkle

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Wirdnam" <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> I work for a large multi-national corporation that has standardized on
> a IE-based desktop, so switching browers to one with native SVG
> support is not an option.
>
> But we also have to mitigate ourselves from the Adobe SVG Viewer going
> out of support from 1-Jan-2008.  We've looked at the Renesis plug-in,
> but what other options do we have if we want to stay with SVG and IE?
>
> BTW: we're generating SVG using client-side XML data islands...in case
> that makes any difference to available options.
>
> Please help!
>

Hi

With TinyLine to web, you will define your website to
use TinyLine applet when showing the SVG. The sample
code is here:
<!-- Start of the TinyLine Applet declaration -->
       <!-- Here is the TinyLine Applet goes:
          code             - the main class to run
          archive          - the archive that holds the
applet.
          width and height - the area occupied by the
applet
          svgfile          - the name of the applet
parameter
          svg/tman.svg     - the value of the applet
parameter that says what an SVG file to load
       -->
       <applet code="com.tinyline.app.TinyLineApplet"
archive="tinyline4web.zip"  width="546" height="728" >
          <param name="svgfile" value="test29.svg" />
       </applet>
   <!-- End of the TinyLine Applet declaration -->

I found it most easyest way to deliver SVG content
over the web. On mobiles, it's will be more
complicated. My problem was, that most of the SVG
players didn't played my animation clips anyway. Even
TinyLine ones, but Andrew finally fixed the bug in
positioning and sizing calculations for me, so I'm
ready to go with his drivers.
My actual article about my experiences testing my
animations against different players:
http://veikoh.wordpress.com/2007/04/21/svg-animated-movies/

Veiko

--- thomas.deweese@... wrote:

> Hi Veiko,
>
> svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote on 06/08/2007
> 02:42:34 PM:
>
> > Many thaanks for the suggestion...I hadn't
> considered a Java
> > applet...however, because our SVG is generated on
> the client-side
> > using XML data islands and JavaScript, I'm going
> to assume that would
> > require quite a lot of re-work for our existing
> SVG-based applications.
>
>    How do your SVG applications access the local
> XML?  Are they
> local SVG files?
>
> > I guess what I'm looking / hoping for was a
> straight plugin
> > switch...from ASV to some other. But maybe there
> really isn't a
> > viable alternative.
>
>    If you just need a container to run the SVG with
> JavaScript,
> Batik (also Java) might be considered.  It wouldn't
> run in a
> Browser it would be a separate app (you actually
> could run
> Batik in a browser as an applet but it's a bit big
> for that).
>
>    Batik is a bit stricter on what it accepts for
> SVG/EcmaScript
> but I think it implements just about everything ASV
> did.
>
> > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, veiko herne
> <veiko_h@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Paul
> > >
> > > As I didn't find Renesis yet working properly,
> maybe
> > > you should test Tinyline www.tinyline.com ones?
> Those
> > > are Java applets and should work with any Java
> enabled
> > > browser.
> > >
> > > Veiko
> > > http://veikoh.wordpress.com
> > >
> > > --- Paul Wirdnam <yahoo@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I work for a large multi-national corporation
> that
> > > > has standardized on
> > > > a IE-based desktop, so switching browers to
> one with
> > > > native SVG
> > > > support is not an option.
> > > >
> > > > But we also have to mitigate ourselves from
> the
> > > > Adobe SVG Viewer going
> > > > out of support from 1-Jan-2008. We've looked
> at the
> > > > Renesis plug-in,
> > > > but what other options do we have if we want
> to stay
> > > > with SVG and IE?
> > > >
> > > > BTW: we're generating SVG using client-side
> XML data
> > > > islands...in case
> > > > that makes any difference to available
> options.
> > > >
> > > > Please help!
> > > >
> > > >
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I am new to SVG and although my needs are fairly simple I can't seem
to get started.  I have an SVG file on disk (it's a map of countries
in Africa).  I need to change the fill colors of some shapes/countries
from a VFP application (don't worry if you are not familiar with
Foxpro - a solution that will work with VB can be adapted for FP).

So, presumably, I need to load the document from disk, get a reference
to the SVG Document object and manipulate the shapes using the
properties and methods of the DOM.  Is that right ?

OK, so how do I go about this ?  What SVG software/tools etc do I need
to get started ?

I hope somebody can give me some ideas because I have been really
struggling with this

Thanks.

Check out this very extensive article using SVG with VFP by Lauren
Clarke:  http://cornerstonenw.com/article.htm


--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "foxpertise" <paul@...> wrote:
>
> I am new to SVG and although my needs are fairly simple I can't seem
> to get started.  I have an SVG file on disk (it's a map of countries
> in Africa).  I need to change the fill colors of some
shapes/countries
> from a VFP application (don't worry if you are not familiar with
> Foxpro - a solution that will work with VB can be adapted for FP).
>
> So, presumably, I need to load the document from disk, get a
reference
> to the SVG Document object and manipulate the shapes using the
> properties and methods of the DOM.  Is that right ?
>
> OK, so how do I go about this ?  What SVG software/tools etc do I
need
> to get started ?
>
> I hope somebody can give me some ideas because I have been really
> struggling with this
>
> Thanks.
>

accessibility guidelines advise against using javascript.

it's not needed for your use case....

http://www.peepo.co.uk should go someway to developing your
understanding.
it scales to the window size.

also

http://tinyurl.com/24ht5p is well laid out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics#Tutorials
http://www.kevlindev.com

~:"

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 5 Jun 2007, at 23:41, vanjurs wrote:

Hello,

I have an SVG window on my screen that allows 800 x 600 viewing area.

However, I may have SVG documents that are 1000 x 800, 1200 x 1000 and
so on.

How do I scale the SVG through javascript to fit in the 800 x 600 area
regardless of the size?

Also, how do I center an SVG image in the viewing window?

I am looking where to get started as I am new to SVG.

Cheers,

Chris

Thank you for your reply - I had already looked at that article (and
many many others).  It deals with generating SVP from FP and, sadly,
is of no help in relation to the question I asked.

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "tbone58x" <tbellmer@...> wrote:
>
> Check out this very extensive article using SVG with VFP by Lauren
> Clarke:  http://cornerstonenw.com/article.htm
>
>
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "foxpertise" <paul@> wrote:
> >
> > I am new to SVG and although my needs are fairly simple I can't seem
> > to get started.  I have an SVG file on disk (it's a map of countries
> > in Africa).  I need to change the fill colors of some
> shapes/countries
> > from a VFP application (don't worry if you are not familiar with
> > Foxpro - a solution that will work with VB can be adapted for FP).
> >
> > So, presumably, I need to load the document from disk, get a
> reference
> > to the SVG Document object and manipulate the shapes using the
> > properties and methods of the DOM.  Is that right ?
> >
> > OK, so how do I go about this ?  What SVG software/tools etc do I
> need
> > to get started ?
> >
> > I hope somebody can give me some ideas because I have been really
> > struggling with this
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>

Hi,

On http://www.eure.pref.gouv.fr/sig/ouvre.asp, you will have a website I've done
for an local government administration.
I left the company where I developed it, so it is not really up-to-date : it
works only with ASV.

Jerome


---------------------------------------
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Chef de projet
ISAGRI Ing�ni�rie
E-mail : jdelagoutte@...
Site web : www.terre-net.fr & www.isagri.fr
tel: 03 44 06 84 71
fax: 03 44 06 55 61

>>> stephen425@... 09/06/2007 05:29:55 >>>

I have found many sites which utilize SVG for the purpose of
demonstrating SVG's capabilities or teaching others SVG. In fact, the
number of resources available online for SVG is, in my opinion, very
plentiful.

Sorry, I realize now that I was not very clear, but I was looking for
what I would call "real-world" sites. By that, I mean sites (either
big or small) which have decided that SVG (or, understandably, a
combination of SVG and VML) was the best solution to use in lieu of
some other technology.

The reason I post this is because I am at a crossroads in my project
where I could use either the PHP GD library, Flash, Java applets, or
SVG. I am curious how many websites have gone the SVG route, and what
they have done with it.

Thanks for your responses so far, however. I did find a couple
interesting sites that I had not yet run across in my research of SVG.
Mr. Quintero's website was very impressive.

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Samuel Dagan" <dagan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Amsteve,
>
> You'll find many links for sites using svg for elearning purpose in
> Andreas Neumann's article:
>
> http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/articles/paper_use_of_svg_and_ecmascri
> pt_for_elearning_isprs_workshop_potsdam_2005.pdf
>
> Cheers, Samy
>
>
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "amsteve23" <stephen425@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi.. does anyone know of any websites or webapps out there that
> > utilize SVG, besides Google spreadsheets?
> >
>





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Hi Paul,

As far as I understand, you have a SVG file. SVG is open source, so
you can open it with any editor and look at his content. The changes
you want to make can be done in different ways: by hand, by
scripting, etc. Why do you need a Microsoft tool, while MS does not
support SVG?
Cheers, Samy

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "foxpertise" <paul@...> wrote:
>
> I am new to SVG and although my needs are fairly simple I can't seem
> to get started.  I have an SVG file on disk (it's a map of countries
> in Africa).  I need to change the fill colors of some
shapes/countries
> from a VFP application (don't worry if you are not familiar with
> Foxpro - a solution that will work with VB can be adapted for FP).
>
> So, presumably, I need to load the document from disk, get a
reference
> to the SVG Document object and manipulate the shapes using the
> properties and methods of the DOM.  Is that right ?
>
> OK, so how do I go about this ?  What SVG software/tools etc do I
need
> to get started ?
>
> I hope somebody can give me some ideas because I have been really
> struggling with this
>
> Thanks.
>

Hi Samuel

Perhaps if I expplain what I am trying to do it might help you and other
to help me !

The SVG file on disk is a map of African countries (each country has an
ID in the SVG document which is the name of the country).  I want to
display this drawing on a form in a VFP application and enable the
application to change the fill colors of various countries according to
data kept in a VFP table.  So I need to know what I need to do/need to
have in order to manipulate the drawing elements from VFP (or VB for
that matter).

Cheers

Paul

Samuel Dagan wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> As far as I understand, you have a SVG file. SVG is open source, so
> you can open it with any editor and look at his content. The changes
> you want to make can be done in different ways: by hand, by
> scripting, etc. Why do you need a Microsoft tool, while MS does not
> support SVG?
> Cheers, Samy
>
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com>, "foxpertise" <paul@...> wrote:
> >
> > I am new to SVG and although my needs are fairly simple I can't seem
> > to get started. I have an SVG file on disk (it's a map of countries
> > in Africa). I need to change the fill colors of some
> shapes/countries
> > from a VFP application (don't worry if you are not familiar with
> > Foxpro - a solution that will work with VB can be adapted for FP).
> >
> > So, presumably, I need to load the document from disk, get a
> reference
> > to the SVG Document object and manipulate the shapes using the
> > properties and methods of the DOM. Is that right ?
> >
> > OK, so how do I go about this ? What SVG software/tools etc do I
> need
> > to get started ?
> >
> > I hope somebody can give me some ideas because I have been really
> > struggling with this
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>
>
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Hi

I have a site that does i little of what you want to do.

http://www.mapper.se/minegenkarta/main.asp?lang=langEN

If you make a map there and then view the source in the left frame
you will se the scripts that i use to change colors in the map.

Regards Kristian

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Paul Newton <paul@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Samuel
>
> Perhaps if I expplain what I am trying to do it might help you and
other
> to help me !
>
> The SVG file on disk is a map of African countries (each country
has an
> ID in the SVG document which is the name of the country).  I want
to
> display this drawing on a form in a VFP application and enable the
> application to change the fill colors of various countries
according to
> data kept in a VFP table.  So I need to know what I need to
do/need to
> have in order to manipulate the drawing elements from VFP (or VB
for
> that matter).
>
> Cheers
>
> Paul
>
> Samuel Dagan wrote:
> >
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > As far as I understand, you have a SVG file. SVG is open source,
so
> > you can open it with any editor and look at his content. The
changes
> > you want to make can be done in different ways: by hand, by
> > scripting, etc. Why do you need a Microsoft tool, while MS does
not
> > support SVG?
> > Cheers, Samy
> >
> > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com>, "foxpertise" <paul@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > I am new to SVG and although my needs are fairly simple I
can't seem
> > > to get started. I have an SVG file on disk (it's a map of
countries
> > > in Africa). I need to change the fill colors of some
> > shapes/countries
> > > from a VFP application (don't worry if you are not familiar
with
> > > Foxpro - a solution that will work with VB can be adapted for
FP).
> > >
> > > So, presumably, I need to load the document from disk, get a
> > reference
> > > to the SVG Document object and manipulate the shapes using the
> > > properties and methods of the DOM. Is that right ?
> > >
> > > OK, so how do I go about this ? What SVG software/tools etc do
I
> > need
> > > to get started ?
> > >
> > > I hope somebody can give me some ideas because I have been
really
> > > struggling with this
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> >
> >
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>
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>

Hi Kristian

That is brilliant !  In fact it has a lot in common with what I am
trying to do in Visual FoxPro.  My problem is that I can't see what I
need to do in VFP in order to reference SVGDocument() when all I have at
the moment is the SVG file on disk.  It is getting to this starting
point that is a hurdle I have yet to clear


kristianpalm wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I have a site that does i little of what you want to do.
>
> http://www.mapper.se/minegenkarta/main.asp?lang=langEN
> <http://www.mapper.se/minegenkarta/main.asp?lang=langEN>
>
> If you make a map there and then view the source in the left frame
> you will se the scripts that i use to change colors in the map.
>
> Regards Kristian
>
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com>, Paul Newton <paul@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Samuel
> >
> > Perhaps if I expplain what I am trying to do it might help you and
> other
> > to help me !
> >
> > The SVG file on disk is a map of African countries (each country
> has an
> > ID in the SVG document which is the name of the country). I want
> to
> > display this drawing on a form in a VFP application and enable the
> > application to change the fill colors of various countries
> according to
> > data kept in a VFP table. So I need to know what I need to
> do/need to
> > have in order to manipulate the drawing elements from VFP (or VB
> for
> > that matter).
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Samuel Dagan wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Paul,
> > >
> > > As far as I understand, you have a SVG file. SVG is open source,
> so
> > > you can open it with any editor and look at his content. The
> changes
> > > you want to make can be done in different ways: by hand, by
> > > scripting, etc. Why do you need a Microsoft tool, while MS does
> not
> > > support SVG?
> > > Cheers, Samy
> > >
> > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com>, "foxpertise" <paul@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am new to SVG and although my needs are fairly simple I
> can't seem
> > > > to get started. I have an SVG file on disk (it's a map of
> countries
> > > > in Africa). I need to change the fill colors of some
> > > shapes/countries
> > > > from a VFP application (don't worry if you are not familiar
> with
> > > > Foxpro - a solution that will work with VB can be adapted for
> FP).
> > > >
> > > > So, presumably, I need to load the document from disk, get a
> > > reference
> > > > to the SVG Document object and manipulate the shapes using the
> > > > properties and methods of the DOM. Is that right ?
> > > >
> > > > OK, so how do I go about this ? What SVG software/tools etc do
> I
> > > need
> > > > to get started ?
> > > >
> > > > I hope somebody can give me some ideas because I have been
> really
> > > > struggling with this
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> -------
> > >
> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release Date:
> 10/06/2007 13:39
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
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>
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> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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13:39
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It is hardly fair that someone can respond to Silverlight post with a
hostile but not altogether factual response, so I am going to try one more
time to get a word in.

Quote:
"That is the
eternal promise that we are going to be smashed by the
next
compelling experience brought to us by so and so. The reality is
different, those packages really act as constrictors of the
imagination, being based on the principle of tool and object
libraries."

Silverlight is hardly any different
than SVG. It uses XML data to define graphic objects, which can be
scripted and created using Javascript on a web page. So this�critique
of�Silverlight is hardly applicable whatsoever.

The syntax
is somewhat different, of course, and SVG still has a few things that
Silverlight lacks. But Silverlight is actually making rapid�progress
and already�works very reliably on far more computers / browsers
without a lot of gotchas than SVG does.�At least 90% of the installed
base can run the Silverlight plugin right now�vs. about 30% (at best)
with SVG and even then you would have to have detection code to handle the
various bugs in the flavor of SVG available on the user's browser and a
huge amount of very flakey behaviour.

There is about a six
month window where SVG is going to have to do some serious catchup and
come up with a version that works as widely (and as identically on various
browsers) as Silverlight already�does, or�SVG won't�EVER
get�widespread adoption. Ignoring this fact is not going to make the
problem go away.

Trying to say that this is not an acceptable
topic here�won't save SVG. Doing something about it will. I don't
want M$ to win on this one, but they�will succeed at
imposing�the�new graphic standard�if the SVG progress
continues at the same glacial rate of the past few years. There are too
many people with projects that need to be done now, rather than waiting
for a more politically correct technology.


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