Hi, Brad- This seems like a big issue, so we should definitely try to find someone who could help carve it down. If there were a financial incentive, it might...
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Guy Morton
guy_mmmmmm
Jun 11, 2009 10:56 pm
is it? Mobile devices are gaining huge amounts of storage these days. Memory is cheap....
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Bradley Neuberg
bradneuberg
Jun 12, 2009 4:31 am
I think until we can get Webkits SVG impl down we won't be able to convince the Android folks; I'm sure of that. This sounds like a _perfect_ summer of code...
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veiko herne
veiko_h
Jun 12, 2009 10:21 am
Im still surprised that everyone is relying here what WebKit does. We are here talking about mobile devices where Ikivo provides decent and optimized SVG...
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Jake B
otakuj462
Jun 12, 2009 12:33 pm
... +1 Jake...
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Bradley Neuberg
bradneuberg
Jun 12, 2009 7:33 pm
I'm not speaking for Google here, but the entire Android stack is open source; licensing a specific module that isn't open source isn't something I'd imagine...
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Jake B
otakuj462
Jun 12, 2009 8:10 pm
You could also almost say that Webkit is becoming a standard in its own right. You see it embedded in numerous browsers and application frameworks: Safari,...
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Andreas Neumann
neumannandreas
Jun 13, 2009 2:11 pm
hm - I am not very experienced with mobile devices. But in days where one can buy a multi-gig sd-ram card for a few bucks, I just cannot believe that 500k is a...
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Veiko Herne
veiko_h
Jun 13, 2009 2:47 pm
So are you recommending that we should take the initiative and write proper SVG drivers for Google free of charge? As far I remember, Ikivo media player...
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Jeff Schiller
jeff_schiller
Jun 14, 2009 3:36 am
... I don't mean to offend you, Veiko - but "Forget the WebKit" has to be one of the more jaw-dropping statements I've heard in awhile. As far as I'm...
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Jeff Schiller
jeff_schiller
Jun 14, 2009 3:50 am
... I am in no way trying to insult the other mobile browsers or plugins either. As we all know there is a distinct advantage to being the default browser on...
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veiko herne
veiko_h
Jun 15, 2009 11:13 am
Hi Jeff The problem with WebKit is that it's open source. When no-one takes the responsibility to write proper code, it cannot be most elegant solution!!! If...
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Jeff Schiller
jeff_schiller
Jun 15, 2009 1:31 pm
... I agree that this can be true in the general open source case. However, I contend that WebKit is VERY different: There are several big companies that are...
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Jake B
otakuj462
Jun 15, 2009 1:35 pm
Hi Veiko, Replies below: ... I feel quite strongly, and I think a lot of people on this list would agree with me, that a piece of software being open source...
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Veiko Herne
veiko_h
Jun 15, 2009 4:46 pm
It's not a question being open source or not. It's more going to be management issues. I can't get decent programmers to write for free to me and without a...
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Andreas Neumann
neumannandreas
Jun 16, 2009 12:11 pm
the other idea besided SVG-enabling Webkit by default, to give the user the choice to install an SVG-enable webkit for their mobile phone in the Google...
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veiko herne
veiko_h
Jun 16, 2009 4:09 pm
The Question is more than WebKit SVG does not work!!! It does not support SMIL and it has several other bugs besides being inefficently written code. So we...
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Veiko Herne
veiko_h
Jun 16, 2009 4:23 pm
... Im sorting here old posts and find this one. Here is the list of models where SVG works perfectly with SMIL - http://www.ikivo.com/02player_phones.html So,...
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Veiko Herne
veiko_h
Jun 16, 2009 4:27 pm
Actually this list is much better - http://svg.org/special/svg_phones...
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Domenico Strazzullo
domenico_str...
Jun 16, 2009 4:40 pm
Veiko, I'm sensitive to your preoccupations, although your posts do have some contradictions. But there again, your statements and their contradictions are...
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Domenico Strazzullo
domenico_str...
Jun 16, 2009 4:51 pm
... Isn't it sad that we have to pray for mercy? Does that still work?...
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Jeff Schiller
jeff_schiller
Jun 16, 2009 6:09 pm
You understand that companies are made of lots of people who make decisions at different levels and on different products, right? You also understand that...
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Bradley Neuberg
bradneuberg
Jun 16, 2009 6:15 pm
I'm not speaking for Google but I'll give this a try.... :) Google is a diverse collection of individuals and teams. Google has literally paid and supported me...
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Jeff Schiller
jeff_schiller
Jun 16, 2009 6:17 pm
... Actually, thanks to Acid 3, WebKit DOES support a decent amount of SMIL (not all of it, but enough to get excited about, in my opinion). The following...
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Guy Morton
guy_mmmmmm
Jun 16, 2009 9:59 pm
So how is it that the iPhone has SVG support in its webkit-based browser? Are the android-based phones running on inferior hardware, relatively speaking? I'd...
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Domenico Strazzullo
domenico_str...
Jun 17, 2009 8:54 am
... I'm sorry, you're trying to transform arbitrary views into axioms. Instead, this kind of scenario is what I call a dysfunction. You have the right to be...
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veiko herne
veiko_h
Jun 17, 2009 10:37 am
If you would see my situation living with my backbag currently in Barcelona without any income, you would be pissed of as me because: 1. Asking money from a...
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Andreas Neumann
neumannandreas
Jun 17, 2009 12:38 pm
Domenico and Veiko, I can share and feel your anger about missing/incomplete SVG support. I also suffer from this. But, as a friend and admirer of your cool...
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Domenico Strazzullo
domenico_str...
Jun 17, 2009 1:24 pm
Veiko having been an awarded finalist on word championship of programming, I have no reason to doubt of his gifts as a coder. On one side I see that, and on...
