Since we received 45 paper or abstracts I think it is our duty to

personally inform the authors of these papers or abstracts that the

conference won't take place at the envisaged time.



Did someone do this already? If not, could you send me a list with

papers and contact information so I (or someone else) can inform the

authors?



Someone at the yahoogroups suggested to post the papers for 2006 anyway.

I personally, as an author, would like to resubmit the paper to another

conference or for 2007 if that happens. Should we ask authors whether

they would like to publish their paper now at the svgopen2006 website?



What do you think?



Andreas



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Absolutely, we need to contact them.



Do you want to share that load?



If so, send me some abstracts and email/phonecontacts, and I can deal with

them.



As far as publishing the papers to the 2006 site goes, this is a difficult

question. It can go both ways.



I do not think that it is fair to ask authors to publish to a nonexistant

conference. Papers are a valuable product that authors build and propose to a

conference in order to get a valuable currency back: notoriety and exposure.

Offering to authors to publish their papers on svgopen2006 is a bit like

bait-and-switch.



In my opinion, even though it is a well-meaning gesture, it is a somewhat

poisoned one and the author may feel pressured to publish.



Also, we REALLY ABSOLUTELY need to notify the community outside of

svg-developers and the web page. We need to get it on svg.org AT LEAST to get

the news out.



People are asking for budgets to go to the conference, and to be frank,

svg-developers has fallen into the background as far as I can see.



I considered putting a story on svg.org over the weekend pointing to Kurt's

message, but having been criticised for being a thorn in this list's side, I

feel that it would be better if someone else would do this.



Ronan



On Tuesday 29 August 2006 09:44, Andreas Neumann wrote:

> Since we received 45 paper or abstracts I think it is our duty to

> personally inform the authors of these papers or abstracts that the

> conference won't take place at the envisaged time.

>

> Did someone do this already? If not, could you send me a list with

> papers and contact information so I (or someone else) can inform the

> authors?

>

> Someone at the yahoogroups suggested to post the papers for 2006 anyway.

> I personally, as an author, would like to resubmit the paper to another

> conference or for 2007 if that happens. Should we ask authors whether

> they would like to publish their paper now at the svgopen2006 website?

>

> What do you think?

>

> Andreas



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	 ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001



http://www.roitsystems.com

I agree with Ronan that we simply should not publish the papers.  It would

not be fair to the authors, and for that matter, we have not reviewed the

papers at all, and so we don't know what the quality of the papers is.  We

would have to review them needlessly.



In fact, none of us have seen these papers at all, other than Kurt.  We need

to contact the authors and ask if they want to resubmit the papers for 2007.

If anyone does, we should begin setting up a review board and review the

papers in a timely fashion.



I also agree that we should publicize the cancellation (not "postponement")

of the SVG 2006 conference.



Regards-

Doug





Ronan Oger wrote:

|

| Absolutely, we need to contact them.

|

| Do you want to share that load?

|

| If so, send me some abstracts and email/phonecontacts, and I

| can deal with

| them.

|

| As far as publishing the papers to the 2006 site goes, this

| is a difficult

| question. It can go both ways.

|

| I do not think that it is fair to ask authors to publish to a

| nonexistant

| conference. Papers are a valuable product that authors build

| and propose to a

| conference in order to get a valuable currency back:

| notoriety and exposure.

| Offering to authors to publish their papers on svgopen2006 is

| a bit like

| bait-and-switch.

|

| In my opinion, even though it is a well-meaning gesture, it

| is a somewhat

| poisoned one and the author may feel pressured to publish.

|

| Also, we REALLY ABSOLUTELY need to notify the community outside of

| svg-developers and the web page. We need to get it on svg.org

| AT LEAST to get

| the news out.

|

| People are asking for budgets to go to the conference, and to

| be frank,

| svg-developers has fallen into the background as far as I can see.

|

| I considered putting a story on svg.org over the weekend

| pointing to Kurt's

| message, but having been criticised for being a thorn in this

| list's side, I

| feel that it would be better if someone else would do this.

|

| Ronan

|

| On Tuesday 29 August 2006 09:44, Andreas Neumann wrote:

| > Since we received 45 paper or abstracts I think it is our duty to

| > personally inform the authors of these papers or abstracts that the

| > conference won't take place at the envisaged time.

| >

| > Did someone do this already? If not, could you send me a list with

| > papers and contact information so I (or someone else) can inform the

| > authors?

| >

| > Someone at the yahoogroups suggested to post the papers for

| 2006 anyway.

| > I personally, as an author, would like to resubmit the

| paper to another

| > conference or for 2007 if that happens. Should we ask

| authors whether

| > they would like to publish their paper now at the

| svgopen2006 website?

| >

| > What do you think?

| >

| > Andreas

|

| --

| Ronan Oger

| Director

| RO IT Systems GmbH

|  ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001

|

| http://www.roitsystems.com

|

|

|

| Yahoo! Groups Links

|

|

|

|

|

|

On Tuesday, August 29, 2006, 12:04:58 PM, Doug wrote:



DS> I agree with Ronan that we simply should not publish the papers.  It would

DS> not be fair to the authors, and for that matter, we have not reviewed the

DS> papers at all, and so we don't know what the quality of the papers is.  We

DS> would have to review them needlessly.



I agree.



DS> In fact, none of us have seen these papers at all, other than Kurt.



Right. This is itself a problem.



DS>  We need

DS> to contact the authors and ask if they want to resubmit the papers for 2007.



Yes, but firstly to tell them that 2006 is cancelled.



DS> If anyone does, we should begin setting up a review board and review the

DS> papers in a timely fashion.



Submission for 2007 is an orthogonal issue. It can be mentioned, as a

'your work is not wasted' way to soften the blow, but lets assume that

the 2007 conference is run very differently and that there is a call for

papers in good time, a reviww committee in advance, etc.



DS> I also agree that we should publicize the cancellation (not "postponement")

DS> of the SVG 2006 conference.



I would strongly argue against any hint of a 'postponement' or indeed of

tying 2007 to 2006 in any way in the public mind.



DS> Regards-

DS> Doug

DS>



DS> Ronan Oger wrote:

DS> |

DS> | Absolutely, we need to contact them.

DS> |

DS> | Do you want to share that load?

DS> |

DS> | If so, send me some abstracts and email/phonecontacts, and I

DS> | can deal with

DS> | them.

DS> |

DS> | As far as publishing the papers to the 2006 site goes, this

DS> | is a difficult

DS> | question. It can go both ways.

DS> |

DS> | I do not think that it is fair to ask authors to publish to a

DS> | nonexistant

DS> | conference. Papers are a valuable product that authors build

DS> | and propose to a

DS> | conference in order to get a valuable currency back:

DS> | notoriety and exposure.

DS> | Offering to authors to publish their papers on svgopen2006 is

DS> | a bit like

DS> | bait-and-switch.

DS> |

DS> | In my opinion, even though it is a well-meaning gesture, it

DS> | is a somewhat

DS> | poisoned one and the author may feel pressured to publish.

DS> |

DS> | Also, we REALLY ABSOLUTELY need to notify the community outside of

DS> | svg-developers and the web page. We need to get it on svg.org

DS> | AT LEAST to get

DS> | the news out.

DS> |

DS> | People are asking for budgets to go to the conference, and to

DS> | be frank,

DS> | svg-developers has fallen into the background as far as I can see.

DS> |

DS> | I considered putting a story on svg.org over the weekend

DS> | pointing to Kurt's

DS> | message, but having been criticised for being a thorn in this

DS> | list's side, I

DS> | feel that it would be better if someone else would do this.

DS> |

DS> | Ronan

DS> |

DS> | On Tuesday 29 August 2006 09:44, Andreas Neumann wrote:

| >> Since we received 45 paper or abstracts I think it is our duty to

| >> personally inform the authors of these papers or abstracts that the

| >> conference won't take place at the envisaged time.

| >>

| >> Did someone do this already? If not, could you send me a list with

| >> papers and contact information so I (or someone else) can inform the

| >> authors?

| >>

| >> Someone at the yahoogroups suggested to post the papers for

DS> | 2006 anyway.

| >> I personally, as an author, would like to resubmit the

DS> | paper to another

| >> conference or for 2007 if that happens. Should we ask

DS> | authors whether

| >> they would like to publish their paper now at the

DS> | svgopen2006 website?

| >>

| >> What do you think?

| >>

| >> Andreas

DS> |

DS> | --

DS> | Ronan Oger

DS> | Director

DS> | RO IT Systems GmbH

DS> |       ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001

DS> |

DS> | http://www.roitsystems.com

DS> |

DS> |

DS> |

DS> | Yahoo! Groups Links

DS> |

DS> |

DS> |

DS> |

DS> |

DS> |







DS>

DS> Yahoo! Groups Links







DS>













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  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG

so who has access to the paper system?



Kurt can you please send us a summary of the submitted papers/abstracts

or allow us to access the system?



Thanks,

Andreas





Doug Schepers wrote:



>I agree with Ronan that we simply should not publish the papers.  It would

>not be fair to the authors, and for that matter, we have not reviewed the

>papers at all, and so we don't know what the quality of the papers is.  We

>would have to review them needlessly.

>

>In fact, none of us have seen these papers at all, other than Kurt.  We need

>to contact the authors and ask if they want to resubmit the papers for 2007.

>If anyone does, we should begin setting up a review board and review the

>papers in a timely fashion.

>

>I also agree that we should publicize the cancellation (not "postponement")

>of the SVG 2006 conference.

>

>Regards-

>Doug

>

>

>



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ETH Zurich

Wolfgang-Paulistrasse 15

CH-8093  Zurich, Switzerland



Phone: ++41-44-633 3031, Fax: ++41-44-633 1153

e-mail: neumann@...

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Hi Kurt,



yes, you can do it, thanks. But I am sure most of us would like to have

access to the papers and abstracts that had been submitted so far.



Regarding the text:

I would just thank them for submitting, tell them that we had to cancel

2006, apologize for having to cancel, and that we are working on 2007

now. I wouldn't tell any details about 2007 at all but suggest that they

can re-submit their papers to the 2007 conference, the WWW2007

conference or other XML conferences.



Thanks,

Andreas



Kurt Cagle wrote:



> Sorry - time zone differentials here - I just caught the thread now.

> I'll put together an email list today of entrants. Should I notify

> them, or is this something somewhat else wants to handle?

>

> -- Kurt

>

> On 8/29/06, *Andreas Neumann* <neumann@...

> <mailto:neumann@...>> wrote:

>

>     so who has access to the paper system?

>

>     Kurt can you please send us a summary of the submitted

>     papers/abstracts

>     or allow us to access the system?

>

>     Thanks,

>     Andreas

>

>

>

>     Doug Schepers wrote:

>

>>I agree with Ronan that we simply should not publish the papers.

>     It would

>>not be fair to the authors, and for that matter, we have not

>     reviewed the

>>papers at all, and so we don't know what the quality of the papers

>     is. We

>>would have to review them needlessly.

>>

>>In fact, none of us have seen these papers at all, other than

>     Kurt. We need

>>to contact the authors and ask if they want to resubmit the papers

>     for 2007.

>>If anyone does, we should begin setting up a review board and

>     review the

>>papers in a timely fashion.

>>

>>I also agree that we should publicize the cancellation (not

>     "postponement")

>>of the SVG 2006 conference.

>>

>>Regards-

>>Doug

>>

>>

>>

>

>     --

>     ----------------------------------------------

>     Andreas Neumann

>     Institute of Cartography

>     ETH Zurich

>     Wolfgang-Paulistrasse 15

>     CH-8093 Zurich, Switzerland

>

>     Phone: ++41-44-633 3031, Fax: ++41-44-633 1153

>     e-mail: neumann@...

>     <mailto:neumann%40karto.baug.ethz.ch>

>     www: http://www.carto.net/neumann/

>     SVG.Open: http://www.svgopen.org/

>     Carto.net <http://Carto.net>: http://www.carto.net/

>     <http://www.carto.net/>

>

>

>

>

> --

> Kurt Cagle

> http://www.understandingxml.com







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Wolfgang-Paulistrasse 15

CH-8093  Zurich, Switzerland



Phone: ++41-44-633 3031, Fax: ++41-44-633 1153

e-mail: neumann@...

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