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Re: Re[4]: [syndication] RSS Modularization Demonstration

Well, I disagree with your theory about how RSS began, and what it's purpose
was (and is).

I wrote about this in late 1997, along with the first deployment of
<scriptingNews> format, which as I'm sure you know, predated RSS by more
than a year, and was later incorporated into RSS.

http://davenet.userland.com/1997/12/15/scriptingNewsInXML

***Anyway..

So Ian and Rael and others, here's what I propose to do.

I'll watch what you come up with in the way of modules and if there are
interesting ideas in there, I'll propose that we add them directly to RSS,
without adding the complexity of namespaces. I'm guessing that this mostly
meets your objective, is a fair compromise, if not, then we can fork.

You can go the namespaces route, make RSS into a fully buzzword compliant
spec, and if you get support from content developers, then we'll probably
all read that format as well as earlier formats and we'll have happiness. Or
maybe we'll find that the ideas in the modules are what are really
important, and not the modularization itself, and then we can have a simple
spec, and leave the buzzword people to their gyrations, and keep RSS
realllly simple.

Also, to be clear, with the copyright on the RSS 0.91 spec, you can fork it
yourself, even if you don't want to make additions, so if for some reason
you don't want to point to a userland.com URL, you can put the spec on your
server and point to that instead.

Dave




Wed Jun 28, 2000 4:33 pm

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Howdy Folks, In response to a posting[1] by Ian Davis to the RSS mailing list[2] and related discussion[3] by Dave Winer, David Galbraith, and others on this ...
Rael Dornfest
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Jun 23, 2000
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This is great. I have some comments which I'll post shortly. However it gets my vote. DG . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . David Galbraith - Chief Architect,...
David Galbraith
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Jun 23, 2000
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Before it gets anyone's vote, what is it? I really like to read specs not demos. Dave ... From: "David Galbraith" <david@...> To:...
Dave Winer
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Jun 23, 2000
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Rael, Neat proposal ! On this base, have you considered a module to register answers to an item ? This could lead to a distributed slashdot like bidirectional...
Eric van der Vlist
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Jun 23, 2000
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Howdy, ... Would you think this would require another module or could it just make use of threading? For example: <rss version="0.91"> <channel> ... <item> ...
Rael Dornfest
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Jun 23, 2000
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... I think it's very elegant. I could name a half dozen modules which should be candidates for inclusion. But what's better - we don't have to agree on these...
Stephen Downes
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Jun 23, 2000
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Hi, ... Yes, that's the beauty of using namespaces; we don't have to reinvent the core RSS spec each time we want to add fun(ctionality). I do, however, want...
Rael Dornfest
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Jun 23, 2000
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So I guess next steps are to work out a core set of modules and how they are managed. DG . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . David Galbraith - Chief Architect,...
David Galbraith
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Jun 23, 2000
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Hi, I'll be glad to fiddle with a registry/discussion/voting prototype over the next few days. For the time being, though, a mailing list is a fine venue for...
Rael Dornfest
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Jun 24, 2000
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Rael, ... The functionality is real nice, but shouldn't we consider using RDF ? (I am afraid we might be reinventing RDF statement ;=) If we go in this...
Eric van der Vlist
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Jun 24, 2000
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Eric, ... "...which brings us back to DO..." I was wondering how long it would take. What does the "R" in "RSS" stand for again? ;-) ... Sounds interesting....
Rael Dornfest
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Jun 24, 2000
4:17 pm

... protocol (SOAP ?) to allow a feed to be notified when there is a new post related to an item. That's a very good idea, and it's orthogonal to this...
Dave Winer
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Jun 24, 2000
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Hi, ... I don't see why. The "direction" I believe we're headed is an extensible RSS, backward compatible with existing RSS 0.91 -- based on the simple ...
Rael Dornfest
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Jun 24, 2000
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Dave, ... I think we should define a flow (as complete as possible) for this notification system since it can be more than this specific case. Syndicators...
Eric van der Vlist
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Jun 24, 2000
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... In French we say "mettre les pieds dans le plat" (put the feet in the plate) ;=) I hope I can afford, I am new on this list... Why is everyone so...
Eric van der Vlist
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Jun 24, 2000
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Eric, ... I believe this is similar in feel to "being in the hot-seat" ;-). ... You're exactly right. I believe, however, that the argument against putting...
Rael Dornfest
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Jun 24, 2000
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Just to put two feet in the plate. The reason why people are 'frightened of RDF' is really because it's simpler than it looks. People look at namespaces and...
David Galbraith
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Jun 26, 2000
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Howdy, ... This is precisely why I liked the XHTML modularization example; "there is a there there." Although there isn't any talk of namespaces here, take a ...
Rael Dornfest
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Jun 27, 2000
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... I like the way you're summarizing 1500+ emails on xml-uri ;=) ... I would prefer this option, assuming that a proper mechanism is defined to attach...
Eric van der Vlist
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Jun 26, 2000
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... This is very juicy. Using namespaces has always been an option. It's a nice option because it doesn't invade on the RSS namespace, as in, you're not adding...
Jonathan Eisenzopf
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Jun 27, 2000
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Hi, ... I've set up a RSS Modularization Spec(ish) page at: http://www.oreillynet.com/~rael/data/xml/rss/modular and an initial stab at a simple RSS module...
Rael Dornfest
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Jun 28, 2000
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... I've created two PURLs for RSS: http://purl.org/rss/ and http://purl.org/rss/modules/ Currently they point to Rael's urls above. Ultimately they can point ...
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Jun 28, 2000
3:42 pm

... wherever the final specs end up. In the shifting world of RSS it makes sense to use a persistent url for the specs. Maybe I don't understand what you're...
Dave Winer
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Jun 28, 2000
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Dave, ... Not at all. It was valuable work and showed that there was life for RSS after Netscape. ... RSS has a very special place in the world of XML....
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Jun 28, 2000
4:22 pm

Well, I disagree with your theory about how RSS began, and what it's purpose was (and is). I wrote about this in late 1997, along with the first deployment of ...
Dave Winer
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Jun 28, 2000
4:36 pm

Howdy, ... At least until now, the popular wisdom seems to be that ScriptingNews is more suited to content syndication, while RSS is purposed for metadata ...
Rael Dornfest
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Jun 29, 2000
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... without need of iterative rewrites of the core specification, b) without need of consensus on each and every element, and c) without creating a bloated RSS...
Dave Winer
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Jun 29, 2000
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