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[syndication] Re: XML-RPC and the Need to Cash In

>BTW, I finally got a demo of AmphetaDesk -- and it's a pretty
>straight clone of the aggregator in Radio. So apparently Morbus likes
>*some* of what we do. ;->

Indeed, I do, Dave. From the history of AmphetaDesk [1]:

"Because of my growing interest in RSS and syndication in general, I had
become a regular reader of Dave Winer's Scripting News. With furtive
murmurs here and there, my lips whispered at night "My Userland on the
Desktop", a product that Winer was soon releasing that sounded like the
greatest little aggragator that could. I couldn't wait to see it.

A month or so later, rechristened Radio Userland on the Desktop (RUOTD), I
got my hands on a beta copy the day it was publically released to the
frothing herds. I shook in my boots: this was good! I focused all my
energies on it... once again, my weekend was spent tweaking, hemming, and
hawing.

A week later, my enthusiam was stronger, but not for RUOTD - rather for the
next stage of syndication evolution. RUOTD was a wonderful piece of work,
but little things here and there were slowly contributing to a nagging
sense of unease. There was something that bugged me about RUOTD - a
collection of "should have"'s and "wished for" that seemed too fickle to be
acted upon. My primary disgust was user friendliness - this was not a piece
of software for my mom, girlfriend, or favorite teddy wearing mistress."

[1] http://www.disobey.com/amphetadesk/history.htm


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Morbus Iff ( i am your scary godmother )
http://www.disobey.com/ && http://www.gamegrene.com/
please me: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/wishlist/25USVJDH68554
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Sat Aug 25, 2001 6:27 pm

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I'm about to be sacrilegious, I suppose. Other people may call it inept. I've also got to preface this with a few notes (in Dave Winer style): - "I love...
Morbus Iff
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Aug 25, 2001
12:09 am

Morbus, +1 There was a nice thread here for a while about evangelising RSS, getting the word out, etc. I like that. I want to make it easy for anyone to say...
Mark Nottingham
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Aug 25, 2001
12:56 am

... I definitely agree with this. How long ago did Berners-Lee think of the Semantic Web? And only until recently have people "come back" to those ideals....
Morbus Iff
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Aug 25, 2001
2:05 am

In article <20010824175609.B2251@...>, Mark Nottingham <mnot@...> writes ... Don't break up the group and splinter it. Both groups will die. Get a...
Julian Bond
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Aug 25, 2001
7:04 am

... Heh. I can't help but think you illustrate Morbus' point perfectly; you want people to use the technology proactively to solve their problems; many are not...
Mark Nottingham
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Aug 25, 2001
6:44 pm

Could you summarize the point you're making without all the ad hominems. Dave...
Dave Winer
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Aug 25, 2001
2:05 am

I think he's saying that there are just too many "moving parts" involved in what we do, and that we have to make it simpler, easier to use, and more reliable. ...
Jeff Barr
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Aug 25, 2001
2:14 am

Yeah, software sucks, his too. An example [1]. Dave [1] http://128.241.244.96/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg.swf ... From: "Jeff Barr" <jeff@...> ...
Dave Winer
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Aug 25, 2001
2:19 am

... Well, hey, at least I gave examples ;) ... -- Morbus Iff ( i am your scary godmother ) http://www.disobey.com/ && http://www.gamegrene.com/ please me:...
Morbus Iff
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Aug 25, 2001
2:22 am

OK, Amphetadesk sucks. ;-> Dave ... From: "Morbus Iff" <morbus@...> To: <syndication@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 7:22 PM Subject:...
Dave Winer
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Aug 25, 2001
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... i could certainly be wrong, but i think that dave may have been driving at the 'cloud' stuff in rss 0.92. you subscribe your client (which is also a...
Jim Winstead
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Aug 25, 2001
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Jim, you got it exactly right, including the Sturgeon's Law part. I wrote my own piece about this a few years back [1]. BTW, I finally got a demo of...
Dave Winer
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Aug 25, 2001
2:27 pm

... Indeed, I do, Dave. From the history of AmphetaDesk [1]: "Because of my growing interest in RSS and syndication in general, I had become a regular reader...
Morbus Iff
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Aug 25, 2001
6:26 pm

Sorry about the long delay in responses. ... Only a very little. I don't think Radio Userland is crap - for the geek crowd, it's a powerful little app that can...
Morbus Iff
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Aug 29, 2001
11:46 pm

In article <p05101008b7ac84e889be@[63.173.138.134]>, Morbus Iff <morbus@...> writes ... You can see my blogged response to this wonderful rant at ...
Julian Bond
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Aug 25, 2001
6:25 am

... Here's an idea I had a long time ago: if someone is linking to something you've already read, don't display that entry (or relegate it to lower status). --...
Aaron Swartz
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Aug 26, 2001
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... Well, the problem with browser based systems like Radio Userland and AmphetaDesk is that you can't determine what someone has read, unless tell you, like...
Morbus Iff
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Aug 26, 2001
1:38 pm

... For desktop apps, how about looking at the user's Web browser history files, to figure out whether they've visited it via some other route? Offhand I don't...
Dan Brickley
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Aug 26, 2001
2:24 pm

... That would be a rather interesting idea. Lemme check on my Mac (rummages): IE 5.1 (mac) stores the History in bookmark format in ~/System...
Morbus Iff
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Aug 30, 2001
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... All Dublin Core elements (including dc:date) can be used on just about anything (including channels, items, images, etc.). There's also dc:source, which...
Aaron Swartz
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Aug 31, 2001
6:54 pm

... Equating "displayed in the browser" with "read" would be good enough for some uses--admittedly, reducing redundancy isn't one of them. If I've seen a bare...
Mark Paschal
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Aug 26, 2001
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We could solve this problem in Radio (and probably Amphetadesk as well) by redirecting through a url implemented on the local machine that keeps a list of all...
Dave Winer
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Aug 26, 2001
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... From: "Mark Paschal" <markpasc@...> To: <syndication@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: [syndication] Re: XML-RPC...
selm
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Aug 26, 2001
10:30 pm

Oh come on guys, this is the "XML syndication" list, where we all get together and discuss the *technical* aspects (primarily anyway) behind syndicating...
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Aug 27, 2001
3:38 pm

... I don't understand - in a browser, you can specify the display style of links that have been visited. If the article has been viewed, the link looks...
Mike Dierken
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Aug 28, 2001
5:58 pm

... links that have been visited. ... blue underscore .vs. purple underscore. ... this if you write your own UI? ... yourself? Mike, That is one part of the...
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Aug 28, 2001
6:19 pm

I've found one solution to this problem. Novobot keeps local cache of displayed headlines, and each channel has its own expiration day count, after which its...
Gleb Dolgich
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Aug 28, 2001
7:26 pm

... My problem with that [1] is that we're assuming too much about user activity. I know a book writer who loads up AmphetaDesk in the morning, and then goes...
Morbus Iff
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Aug 28, 2001
8:08 pm

I think I have an answer for that, too. Novobot not just displays headlines, it saves them in another ("current") cache, which is preserved between runs. And...
Gleb Dolgich
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Aug 28, 2001
10:35 pm

... Gleb, I was thinking about the exact same approach. To be honest, any sort of scheme like this will have to do a brute-force search against a list of ...
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Aug 28, 2001
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