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Re: [syndication] Thoughts, questions, and issues.   Message List  
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Ian, I'm glad other people are thinking independently.

I'd like to see RSS become a publish-and-subscribe model, connecting through
SOAP and XML-RPC.

I'd also like to see it be a better fit for tools like Blogger and Manila
and non-web-based writing tools like Radio UserLand.

I'd like to hear content syndicators say what they're looking for, if
anything, from next-generation RSS.

And I want it to stay simple, because that's its magic.

I'm interested in hearing other peoples' thoughts.

Dave




Tue Aug 15, 2000 11:31 pm

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Ian, I'm glad other people are thinking independently. I'd like to see RSS become a publish-and-subscribe model, connecting through SOAP and XML-RPC. I'd also...
Dave Winer
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Aug 15, 2000
11:36 pm

... I'd like to see syndiation in general become like that. ICE is too bloated for my taste, and merges too many different layers in the same protocol. I see...
Ian Graham
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Aug 16, 2000
12:57 am

RSS is great for publish and push. In my case, I've created a set of ASP scripts that work off my RSS file to create HDML and WML files (for WAP phones) as...
Tristan Louis
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Aug 16, 2000
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Hi Tristan, I'd love to see what you've done; please do drop me a ZIP archive / TARball. Rael ... Rael Dornfest rael@... Maven,...
Rael Dornfest
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Aug 16, 2000
3:47 am

... A couple things. One of the reasons we did the RSS 1.0 proposal is because of extensibility. To that end, there is a draft of an extension module for...
Jonathan Eisenzopf
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Aug 16, 2000
3:56 am

Thanks for your continuous insistence on staying SIMPLE Dave. The more I see talk of 2 zillion XML related standards that are supposed to be respected at all...
Paulo Gaspar
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Aug 16, 2000
11:09 am

... I sure hope not. ... This is the result of the evolution based on user requirements (usually). ... I agree to some degree, but some solutions are complex...
Jonathan Eisenzopf
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Aug 16, 2000
12:47 pm

... It is still a simplicity versus completeness problem: what problems you solve with the standard versus which ones you leave to be solved by the users...
Paulo Gaspar
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Aug 16, 2000
1:19 pm

I really like what I see below. I think it is essential that RSS be extensible. The use of 'about' to link separate RSS files makes the system a lot more...
Stephen Downes
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Aug 16, 2000
2:21 pm

Stephen, with all due respect, we have two schools of thought here. The extensibility school thinks they're right. They've moved aggressively, and call their...
Dave Winer
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Aug 16, 2000
2:29 pm

... OK, the biggest problem I've encountered so far reading RSS and other site summary files is the proliferation of formats which already exists. For me, what...
Stephen Downes
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Aug 16, 2000
2:50 pm

Hi, We only need one spec. RSS 1.0 seems to allow for either simplicity or extensibility. It's up to the developer to decide which one. From my...
Steve Agalloco
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Aug 16, 2000
2:56 pm

I'm glad you're lookin at this stuff Stephen. Tell us more about what you see in iSyndicate's RSS feeds. Why don't we just adopt what they're using and add it...
Dave Winer
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Aug 16, 2000
3:05 pm

Hello Dave, thanks for sharing your side of the story. Hopefully RSS can come to a resolution, but if not, it's good to hear your point of view. ... I think...
Aaron Swartz
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Aug 16, 2000
3:16 pm

... I agree with this, but am afraid that without some superimposed semantics from RSS (or whatever it ends up being called), the namespace mechanism will lead...
Ian Graham
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Aug 16, 2000
4:44 pm

... I think this was always the idea -- the RSS core allows description of a "channel" with multiple "items" each of which have a "link". That's all it says,...
Aaron Swartz
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Aug 16, 2000
4:50 pm

... It may be that I am wanting RSS 2 already ;-). In my case I mean 'module' in the sense of a discrete, reusable block of markup that is, at its base, ...
Ian Graham
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Aug 16, 2000
5:13 pm

... I agree, I'd love to see your proposals be adopted as RSS 2.0, or some such. RSS 1.0 is just that -- 1.0, it's not attempting to rethink RSS, merely add ...
Aaron Swartz
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Aug 16, 2000
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I think it makes a lot of sense to keep the discussion of the overarching concepts of syndication here rather than possibly fragmenting the conversation. The...
Rael Dornfest
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Aug 16, 2000
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Hi, ... Yes ideed. The core is lightweight, clean, simple, and backwardly compatible with 0.9 -- yet _optionally_ extensible via XML Namespaces and RDF. ... I...
Rael Dornfest
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Aug 16, 2000
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... Their multi-source format might be a useful amendment. From the iSyndicate site (you have to dig for this) ...
Stephen Downes
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Aug 16, 2000
3:38 pm

... worlds. If that's what we're doing, great. BTW, if it's clean and simple someone's got to make it that way. The failing of the W3C, imho, is the...
Dave Winer
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Aug 16, 2000
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