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Re: [syndication] shared feed lists

On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 11:14:54AM -0400, Bill Kearney wrote:
>
> Take comments from all interested parties and release guidelines? That's fine
> idea and precisely what's being done.
>
> Here's the spec:
>
> For sites wanting to offer a list of RSS feeds, use of the HTML
> <head> section <link> element should be considered.

Yes.

> Examples of which can resemble:
>
> <link rel='subscriptions' type='http://purl.org/ocs/directory/0.5/#'
> href='http://example.com/list.rdf'/>
> <link rel='subscriptions' type='text/opml'
href='http://example.com/list.opml'/>
>
> Applications would be expected to understand the use of the 'rel'
> attribute as an indicator of the link's purpose and the 'type'
> attribute as the format being used. This to facilitate decision
> making on the suitability of the document before the data is
> downloaded. This to avoid burdening the requester with downloading
> data in a format it doesn't understand.

No argument there.

> I'm open to discussion the specific text of the 'rel' attribute and
> the range of 'type' formats. I'd think using a URI would be smarter
> in the long run. But I'm open to using MIME types when none exists.
> Of course then there's also the failure to apply for a legitimate
> MIME type but that's a whole other train wreck...

I have no preference on the <link> representation. As long as there's
a standard and sensible way to do it, that's all we need. (I don't
claim to know how to judge what's sensible in this arena.)

Jeremy
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... Certainly. ... We'd have to define the right attributes. ... Yes. And I'm starting to think we may need that soon, it's going to be long time before we...
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... Yes. ... No argument there. ... I have no preference on the <link> representation. As long as there's a standard and sensible way to do it, that's all we...
Jeremy Zawodny
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... Why insult Tim and Jeff here? Tim's arguably demonstrated a good sense of long term vision. Likewise Jeff is undoubtedly one of the most experienced...
Bill Kearney
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Oct 14, 2003
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Now, as to the meat of the data to be contained at the indicated URL I'd like to suggest that it offer some things Use of OPML for this is going to be...
Bill Kearney
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Oct 14, 2003
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For the sake of discussion here is something related that James Snell wrote up on auto-discovery of feeds and other services[1]. It stems from Jeremy's...
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Oct 14, 2003
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... It is sufficient if one has the ability to add <link> tags to their <head>. But what if you cannot? ... The analogy isn't quite right here. favicon.ico...
Jeremy Zawodny
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Roger, this is not instead of RSD, it's in addition to RSD. Key point. We're not trying to replace other discovery methods, just add a way to discover lots of...
Dave Winer
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... Dave, To be honest, I had no idea that a non-API-discovering use for RSD existed. Thanks for pointing it out. So you're basically suggesting that a...
Roger B.
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... Under what situations would you not be able to do this? What tools in current use have this limitation? I'm not arguing it's not possible, more that it's...
Bill Kearney
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... Based on my experience working more traditional publishing outlets (think about local newspapers, tv/radio stations, web sites like news.com, cnn.com and...
Jeremy Zawodny
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I'm trying to work with Jeremy on this, I thought this should be simple, and it turns out to be pretty simple. No way do I want to try to add anything to an...
Dave Winer
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... Dave, I'm not being intentionally dense here, but I'm confused. I've searched around, and I can't find any reference to RSD pointing to a collection of ...
Roger B.
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... Sure, and don't think I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing, either. In those cases do we want syndication to start pushing forth the bad practice of ...
Bill Kearney
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... I don't see any other low-barrier-to-entry way to get those folks in the game. If I did, I'd have never suggested a well-known location for the data. ... ...
Jeremy Zawodny
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Good points. Things like DNS are capable of doing this now, but for host or domain-wide resources. One could, conceivably, setup a DNS record that could be...
Bill Kearney
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... used ... Very nice. ... Agreed. ... Taking into context that James was transcribing my example in WSIL[1], IndexRef is a link to another directory/index....
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... Well given my experience there's not a lot of situations where a site can't easily integrate this into a page <head> section. ... Yeah, that's a valid...
Bill Kearney
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... I believe it's safe to say that you and I have had different experiences when it comes to the willingness and ability of organizations to make those sorts...
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... Thanks, and again, if additions/changes/fixes are needed by all means ask. ... IndexRef is a ... This is ... Ah, ok then. Hmmm, when I have a user...
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