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Re: [syndication] shared feed lists

On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 05:26:18PM +0100, Julian Bond wrote:
>
> 2) Having a spec that says <link> in the <head> of the html returned by
> the root of a directory is more flexible than
> thisStandardFileName.extension in the root of a directory.

Certainly.

> But we're stuffing a lot of these into <head> now. Which one is the
> subscriptions list?

We'd have to define the right attributes.

> So now we have to allocate a rel= value to this specific need. It's
> enough to make you think there should be another layer of
> indirection here; have every web page include a single <link
> rel="metadata" href=""> which points to a file with a list of
> metadata files each of which can contain one or more bits and types
> of metadata. I know "every problem in computing can be solved with
> another layer of indirection", but this is getting a bit daft isn't
> it?

Yes. And I'm starting to think we may need that soon, it's going to
be long time before we can expect it to happen. It's a much larger
change in my mind.

> 4) I don't much like OPML for this because using attributes instead of
> sub-tags looks messy to me (There, I've said it). But then I'm not a big
> fan of OCS either. On the surface this is a pretty simple requirement
> and I'm not sure why I should need a full RDF parser to extract the
> names and URLs of the feeds.

Yeah. I seems that OPML isn't quite "big" or "strict" enough while
OCS is likely overkill for this need.

> 5) I don't see how we can get away with saying only RSS feeds should
> appear in this list.

I don't think we should.

> Apart from identifying the different types of RSS, you can pretty
> much guarantee that someone will want to include atom feeds (or
> whatever its called now). I can see a need for listing off OCS feeds
> as well. I can feel this heading into the conclusion of 2) above.
> this here list file could be a general purpose Metadata pointer
> file.

The format should allow any feed type to be identified, assuming the
feed has a URL which identifies it.

> My unconsidered opinion is that a way of listing RSS feeds in a machine
> readable format is a good thing. So I agree with DW on this.

Excellent.

> And putting a <link href> pointer to it in the <head> of the index
> document in directories is a good thing. Even if there's *also* a
> standard name for the file.

Agreed.

> But then I'll probably change my mind tomorrow or at least think of more
> issues that this throws up.

Well, we just need to finalized things today, then. :-)

Jeremy
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Tue Oct 14, 2003 6:53 pm

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... Some thoughts on all this. 1) I've got a very similar requirement for large numbers of foaf files. eg <link rel="alternate" type="application/rdf+xml"...
Julian Bond
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Oct 14, 2003
4:26 pm

... Certainly. ... We'd have to define the right attributes. ... Yes. And I'm starting to think we may need that soon, it's going to be long time before we...
Jeremy Zawodny
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Oct 14, 2003
6:55 pm

... Yes. ... No argument there. ... I have no preference on the <link> representation. As long as there's a standard and sensible way to do it, that's all we...
Jeremy Zawodny
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Oct 14, 2003
6:30 pm

... Why insult Tim and Jeff here? Tim's arguably demonstrated a good sense of long term vision. Likewise Jeff is undoubtedly one of the most experienced...
Bill Kearney
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Oct 14, 2003
3:20 pm

Now, as to the meat of the data to be contained at the indicated URL I'd like to suggest that it offer some things Use of OPML for this is going to be...
Bill Kearney
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Oct 14, 2003
3:42 pm

For the sake of discussion here is something related that James Snell wrote up on auto-discovery of feeds and other services[1]. It stems from Jeremy's...
tappnel Offline Send Email Oct 14, 2003
5:05 pm

... It is sufficient if one has the ability to add <link> tags to their <head>. But what if you cannot? ... The analogy isn't quite right here. favicon.ico...
Jeremy Zawodny
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Oct 14, 2003
3:45 pm

Roger, this is not instead of RSD, it's in addition to RSD. Key point. We're not trying to replace other discovery methods, just add a way to discover lots of...
Dave Winer
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Oct 14, 2003
3:55 pm

... Dave, To be honest, I had no idea that a non-API-discovering use for RSD existed. Thanks for pointing it out. So you're basically suggesting that a...
Roger B.
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Oct 14, 2003
4:26 pm

... Under what situations would you not be able to do this? What tools in current use have this limitation? I'm not arguing it's not possible, more that it's...
Bill Kearney
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Oct 14, 2003
4:04 pm

... Based on my experience working more traditional publishing outlets (think about local newspapers, tv/radio stations, web sites like news.com, cnn.com and...
Jeremy Zawodny
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Oct 14, 2003
6:00 pm

I'm trying to work with Jeremy on this, I thought this should be simple, and it turns out to be pretty simple. No way do I want to try to add anything to an...
Dave Winer
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Oct 14, 2003
4:34 pm

... Dave, I'm not being intentionally dense here, but I'm confused. I've searched around, and I can't find any reference to RSD pointing to a collection of ...
Roger B.
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Oct 14, 2003
5:24 pm

... Sure, and don't think I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing, either. In those cases do we want syndication to start pushing forth the bad practice of ...
Bill Kearney
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Oct 14, 2003
6:25 pm

... I don't see any other low-barrier-to-entry way to get those folks in the game. If I did, I'd have never suggested a well-known location for the data. ... ...
Jeremy Zawodny
jzawodn Offline Send Email
Oct 14, 2003
7:17 pm

Good points. Things like DNS are capable of doing this now, but for host or domain-wide resources. One could, conceivably, setup a DNS record that could be...
Bill Kearney
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Oct 14, 2003
6:31 pm

... used ... Very nice. ... Agreed. ... Taking into context that James was transcribing my example in WSIL[1], IndexRef is a link to another directory/index....
tappnel Offline Send Email Oct 14, 2003
7:23 pm

... Well given my experience there's not a lot of situations where a site can't easily integrate this into a page <head> section. ... Yeah, that's a valid...
Bill Kearney
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Oct 14, 2003
8:11 pm

... I believe it's safe to say that you and I have had different experiences when it comes to the willingness and ability of organizations to make those sorts...
Jeremy Zawodny
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Oct 15, 2003
5:44 am

... Thanks, and again, if additions/changes/fixes are needed by all means ask. ... IndexRef is a ... This is ... Ah, ok then. Hmmm, when I have a user...
Bill Kearney
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Oct 15, 2003
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