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Re: RSS Referencing

On 7/27/05, Stephen Downes <Stephen.Downes@...> wrote:

>But who cares, right? After all, if we have the link to the content
>document on Blogger, then we have all the information we need. The
>author can simply write about the NY Times as part of the post
>content, and embed a link into what will eventually become the
>description. Problem solved.
>
>
it seems you do nto care about the case when there can be multiple links
to content?

what about referencing other places "via" link?

i think that it is more natural to put those links in body content
(<description> in RSS) than to force in UI external elements

then let software extract links and put them into generated atom feed, ex:

<body><div xmlns="xhtml">I was ready <a href="nytimes">Foo</a> and <a
href="bbc">Bar</a> and baz (<a rel="via"
href="other-blogger">other</a>)</div></body>

generates links:

<atom:link href="nytimes" title="Foo">
<atom:link href="bbc" title="Bar">
<atom:link rel="via" href="other-blogger" title="other" />

if you have more complicated links relations i think it is beneficial to
define superset of atom:link and allow more powerful relations in
decentralized way - i did it internally in my engine by using QNames,
for example to point to internal topic (which is like "tag" or Wiki
topic): <a href="/SomeTopic" rel="s:topic">...</a> that is later
translated to <s:link rel="s:topic" xmlns:s="my-space"
href="SomeTopic"/> where s:link is superset of atom:link with redefined
rel/rev and other attributes possible.

and for interoperability i can still of course generate <atom:link> in
my atom feed (alas! i loose my custom relations as atom 1.0 has
centralized rel content and does not allow namespace so for my own
benefit i still include my own link el):

<atom:link href="nytimes" title="Foo">
<atom:link href="bbc" title="Bar">
<atom:link rel="via" href="other-blogger" title="other" />
<atom:link href="http://myspace/SomeTopic"/>
<s:link rel="s:topic" xmlns:s="my-space" href="SomeTopic"/>

best,

alek

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The best way to predict the future is to invent it - Alan Kay







Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:48 pm

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RSS Referencing Stephen Downes July 27, 2005 0. Disclaimers - Maybe this discussion has already taken place somewhere. But if so, I haven't seen it, and...
Stephen Downes
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Jul 27, 2005
6:05 pm

... Not necessarily. Since Ev didn't like the inward-pointing link, it has always been possible to have the link element point outward with Blogger feeds: with...
Phil Ringnalda
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Jul 27, 2005
6:24 pm

... Actually, I think that you have effectively reconstructed the history behind why the atom:link is what it is. Take a look at this presentation from 2003: ...
Sam Ruby
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Jul 27, 2005
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The rel values specified in Atom 1.0 are as follows: "alternate", "related", "self", "enclosure", and "via". ...
Stephen Downes
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Jul 27, 2005
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... it seems default for rel is "alternate" so that should be chnaged to <atom:link rel="related" href="nytimes" title="Foo"> <atom:link rel="related"...
Aleksander Slominski
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Jul 29, 2005
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... it seems you do nto care about the case when there can be multiple links to content? what about referencing other places "via" link? i think that it is...
Aleksander Slominski
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Jul 29, 2005
11:27 pm

... Why is this superset necessary? Atom supports decentralized definitions of custom relations. ...
Sam Ruby
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Aug 1, 2005
12:36 pm

The most sensible way of doing things, IMHO, is to put the link to the blog post inside the <guid> field, and to replicate it in the <link> field if the post...
Phillip Pearson
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Jul 31, 2005
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So, reading this thread carefully, one possible resolution is that the atom "rel" attribute is extended. <link rel="parent"...
Steve Cayzer
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Aug 1, 2005
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... hi Sam, thanks for the pointers - i think it is the best choice and i will use for ATOM 1.0 export even if it does not support a compact notation for ...
Aleksander Slominski
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