> So I guess it depends on what you want to build. A format for specialist use
> or a format for broad usage.
It's true, and I maintain that the new spec is for more technical usage than
the older one. For real heavy-duty use, it will require some understanding
of XML and RDF. The benefit from this is more power, but at the expense of
some clarity and simplicity. I see RSS as moving away from a simple XML
language for the people, and more towards a communication system for content
management systems and other scripting environments. It may not be the
choice you believe in, but it's a choice that the authors are making. There
will always be other formats if you don't agree.
... These sorts of assumptions are self fulfilling to a degree. If you write a spec assuming that some users won't interact with it then they won't. This...
zac
zac@...
Aug 21, 2000 4:27 am
... It's true, and I maintain that the new spec is for more technical usage than the older one. For real heavy-duty use, it will require some understanding of...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Aug 21, 2000 1:30 pm
... That answers my question. I guess my partner and I will be developing a simpler format for our project on our own. Thanks, Aaron! Lynn -- Siprelle &...
Lynn Siprelle
lynn@...
Aug 21, 2000 5:33 pm
... Well if you can try staying with an older version of the RSS format. It will give you access to more syndication system than if you create your own format....
zac
zac@...
Aug 21, 2000 5:35 pm
... We wanted to include a little more information than .91 allows. We might just go with SN format, or any of the other ones littering the landscape. :) Or we...
Lynn Siprelle
lynn@...
Aug 21, 2000 5:45 pm
That's fine. But I'm going to keep going. I'm tired of debating this stuff. I've been having a lot of fun in the last couple of months, and it's only been in...
Dave Winer
dave@...
Aug 16, 2000 10:19 pm
... Heh, Hoisted by my own hyperbole! My apologies, Dave, 'apalled' was too strong a word. How about dismayed or disappointed? I understand getting fed up with...
Per Kreipke
per@...
Aug 17, 2000 3:38 pm
... The RSS1 proposal tries to serve multiple masters using a single XML syntactic representation. It is very close to being syntactically equivalent to RSS09...
Gabe Beged-Dov
begeddov@...
Aug 17, 2000 2:16 am
... Too many masters. ... Id does NOT LOOK like RSS that much. ... That seems to be the main problem: RDF focus. RSS became a popular format with people that...
Paulo Gaspar
Paulo.Gaspar@...
Aug 17, 2000 10:59 am
... That's not true. The authors were clearly _very_ concerned about backwards compatibility. There's a lot of junk in the spec that I'd like to see taken out,...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Aug 17, 2000 1:49 pm
Howdy, ... There are just a few simple mechanical additions to add the RDF syntactic sugar needed for those in the RDF world to join the wonderful world of ...
Rael Dornfest
rael@...
Aug 17, 2000 8:17 pm
I'm cross-posting to rss-dev. It would be great if this thread continued there, but there may not be good intersection at the moment... ... The inchannel and...
Gabe Beged-Dov
begeddov@...
Aug 17, 2000 5:20 am
... This is true. If there are processors that are broken, I think it would be helpful for this group to know about it so we can provide fixes or perhaps...
Jonathan Eisenzopf
eisen@...
Aug 17, 2000 9:32 pm
... Yes; in fact it should be online next week. Rael reports that you can give it RSS 1.0, and it will spit out 0.91. I'll add an option that give users the...
Jonathan Eisenzopf
eisen@...
Aug 21, 2000 1:04 am
... This is an interesting issue that I'd like to hear more opinions on. I think the goal is to make it simple for those crafting XML by hand and extensible...
Jonathan Eisenzopf
eisen@...
Aug 21, 2000 5:29 am
... I think simplicity just "is". If you need to appreciate something first then it isn't simple. This isn't meant as a criticism mind you, just an...
zac
zac@...
Aug 21, 2000 5:58 am
... Well, I would argue (as I believe I have done from the before the start of this thread) that the preceding formats have nothing to do with syndication,...
Ian Graham
ian.graham@...
Aug 21, 2000 5:45 pm
... Well this is the way I see it: writers write and when they have written something that they think others might be interested in, they click the publish...
Seth Russell
seth@...
Aug 21, 2000 6:18 am
... That's why we need user friendly tools. RDF was not designed for humans, it was designed for computers to read and write. Nobody except the programmers...
Seth Russell
seth@...
Aug 21, 2000 6:26 am
... Does that mean that you can't have a human readable format? Does robust and expandable imply that the format will not be human readable? -- We are born...
zac
zac@...
Aug 21, 2000 6:30 am
... It is human readable; that's not the point, so it machine language. RDF is a format that is designed so that the computers can do a better job of helping...
Seth Russell
seth@...
Aug 21, 2000 6:47 am
... I don't think the authors will be making this choice. The tool makers will make this choice. Authors will choose the tools. If acceptable tools don't...
Seth Russell
seth@...
Aug 21, 2000 1:46 pm
Hi Seth! ... I'm sorry, I meant authors in terms of authors of the spec, not authors of the content. (Lots of possible terminology confusion.) I totally agree...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Aug 21, 2000 1:51 pm
... Cool! Well then, does anyone know where I can find a general purpose Win32 tool for a reading RDF into a knowledge base? -- Seth Russell ...
Seth Russell
seth@...
Aug 21, 2000 1:59 pm
... Aaron, I disagree in part. We tried to strike the right balance between ease of use and extensibility. It's normal that people will have issues; some are...
Jonathan Eisenzopf
eisen@...
Aug 21, 2000 2:00 pm
... I assume you mean whining (wait, am I whining, now?). :-) ... I know that personally, to understand something I need to get my head around the mental...
Aaron Swartz
aswartz@...
Aug 21, 2000 2:25 pm
... I don't think that's true. I believe the spec we released may look harder than it is, because we had to cover some technical details for programmers. I...
Jonathan Eisenzopf
eisen@...
Aug 21, 2000 2:09 pm
... No. Although I wasn't able to view any NewsML docs because I couldn't get a copy of the DTD from their server (connection timed out). ... In comparison to...
zac
zac@...
Aug 21, 2000 5:05 pm
... Right. My spell checker missed that. ... You have a point. If RDF really is a problem for alot of people, I think taking it out is something we should...
Jonathan Eisenzopf
eisen@...
Aug 21, 2000 2:40 pm
... I agree, I think the problem is not RDF itself, but it's current implementation. I know this is something that is being hotly discussed in the RDF...
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