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I'd like to suggest a few optional additions to the specification. Here are some ideas I'd like to throw around for discussion:

At the item level:

<date></date>: This would allow us to specify a particular date for an item. I think it would be nice for those of us who have several days' worth of content in their RDF channel.

At the channel level:

These could be encapsulated in to an <external></external> section that would include all links to outside of the channel.

<about></about> : Much like <link></link> points to the page the channel is for <about></about> could point to a page of information about this channel. this could link to a FAQ or more information about the channel.

<wireless></wireless>: Points to a page where wireless devices can go.

<broadband></broadband>: Points to a page where broadband devices can go.

<narrowband></narrowband>: Points to a page where narrowband devices (browsers for blind people, text-only browsers, etc..) can go

<p3></p3>: Points to a P3P page to check the privacy rules

<sound></sound>: Points to either a VXML source file (which can be read by a VXML browser) or a sound file. For example, it could serve up a radio feed related to this story.

<video></video>: Same as above with video or SMIL file.

That said, here's what a source could look like (changes are bolded and URLs are fictional (but I cut and pasted my .91 channel content for speed reasons)):

--------------  Suggested RSS .92 code starts here --------------------

<?xml version="1.0" ?>
<!DOCTYPE NewDocTypeLinkGoesHere>
<rss version="0.92">

<channel>
        <header>
                <managingEditor>tnl@...</managingEditor>
                <copyright>Copyright 1999-present, Tristan Louis.</copyright>
                <title>TNL.net Newsletter</title>
                <description>Technology News from Tristan Louis</description>
                <language>en-us</language>
                <rating></rating>
        </header>

        <image>
                <title>TNL.net</title>
                <url>http://www.tnl.net/presentation/images/TNLpalmlogo.gif</url>
                <width>125</width>
                <height>44</height>
                <description>Technology News from Tristan Louis</description>
        </image>


        <external>
                <link>http://www.tnl.net</link>
                <about>http://www.tnl.net/about/</about>
                <wireless>http://wap.tnl.net</wireless>
                <broadband>http://www.tnl.net/100Megabytepage.html</broadband>
                <narrowband>http://www.tnl.net/forreallylightcontentpage.html</narrowband>
                <p3>http://www.tnl.net/p3p.xml</p3>
                <sound>http://www.tnl.net/myvoicebasedchannel.vxml</sound>
                <video>http://www.tnl.net/myvideofeed.smil</video>
        </external>

        <item>
                <title>Story 1</title>
                <link>http://www.tnl.net/newsletter/anewstory.html</link>
                <description>Can you believe this. We're actually describing the content of the link here</description>
                <date>10/13/2000</date>
        </item>

        <item>
                <title>Some older story</title>
                <link>http://www.tnl.net/newsletter/olderstory.html</link>
                <description>Can you believe this. We're actually describing the content of the link here</description>
                <date>01/01/2000</date>
        </item>


</channel>
</rss>

--------------  Suggested RSS .92 code ends here --------------------

As part of the deal, I'd also move the original channel link and image link into the external field under a single link header (unless some people can tell me where they have a different link for the image and the channel.

Your thoughts on this?

TNL

PS: Full disclosure time - My interest in syndication is related to both past and present. For starters, I have my own personal web site that I use to publish a newsletter (and offer a channel). Providing an easy to use format for summary distribution is a great way to increase traffic to it and expose people to my ideas.
Second, I'm starting a company called Moveable Media (http://www.moveablemedia.com), which is trying to bridge the gap between online and offline media. While online syndication is WAY in the future for us (we're first focusing on providing tools that will allow people to deal with freelancers), it is something that we are seeing as a potential future arena for us.

| Tristan Louis             | Home: tristan@...      | 140 e. 28th st.          |
| Chairman and CEO   | http://www.tnl.net            | Suite 8C                   |
| Moveable Media, Inc. | Boot up, Log In,Geek out | New York, NY 10016 |

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I'd like to suggest a few optional additions to the specification. Here are some ideas I'd like to throw around for discussion: At the item level: ...
Tristan Louis
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Oct 13, 2000
7:28 pm

My notes: <date></date> This would be very handy; many other formats contain this info. We need to specify the format. <about></about> Since this is optional...
Jeff Barr
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Oct 14, 2000
5:07 am

... ISO 8601 ("YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS" with an optional TZ) is my first preference, although for human readable formats the one outlined in RFC822 and followed up...
Dan Lyke
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Oct 14, 2000
11:23 am

... ISO 8601 looks fine to me to. After all, it's not that hard for a human to read it and converting it to human readable code is very easy. TNL ... st....
Tristan Louis
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Oct 15, 2000
4:47 am

... How many people agree on this one. I've added this as a poll question to the list at http://www.egroups.com/surveys/syndication?id=362759 The vote will end...
Tristan Louis
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Oct 15, 2000
4:47 am

... I can certainly live with it. ... I ... Correct. It would be a site-level syndication directory. It seems cleaner to have a directory to different types of...
Jeff Barr
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Oct 15, 2000
5:01 am

Howdy Tristan, ... This is precisely what Ian Davis's OCS[1] ("Open Content Syndication") was designed to do: The OCS Directory format is designed to enable...
Rael Dornfest
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Oct 15, 2000
5:07 am

Dan, according to the spec for RSS 0.91. "All date-times in RSS conform to the Date and Time Specification of RFC 822." ...
Dave Winer
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Oct 14, 2000
1:07 pm

... Thanks. That'll teach me to write half-assed responses to email when I'm tired and long away from home and my usual resources. Well, no, it probably won't,...
Dan Lyke
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Oct 15, 2000
1:46 am

To Tristan, I'm uncomfortable voting for the <date> element unless there's a spec that says how it fits into the 0.91 spec. The actual proposed language for an...
Dave Winer
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Oct 15, 2000
11:07 am

Dave, Reading your mind (dangerous, I know) I assume that you asking about the meaning of the <date> field or the for Jeff Barr - Vertex Development Office:...
Jeff Barr
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Oct 15, 2000
5:48 pm

(Ignore my last post...) Dave, I am assuming that you are asking about the meaning of the <date> field, right? I would want it to be the publication time of...
Jeff Barr
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Oct 15, 2000
5:51 pm

my only qualm about the <date> field as discussed, it's very hard to sort by date using XSLT? At the moment we use a raw integer date value (representing ms...
Mike Cannon-Brookes
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Oct 16, 2000
12:40 am

... This is why ISO8601 was my first choice, it sorts naturally, lots of systems use it (Many SQL servers, for instance), and is human readable (although it is...
Dan Lyke
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Oct 16, 2000
2:02 am

XSLT doesn't that I know of? ;) That's why I was making the point, surely one goal of RSS should be easy manipulation with XSLT? Mike...
Mike Cannon-Brookes
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Oct 16, 2000
2:04 am

... I was thinking that we would go through the different tags and vote on each one individually before going into more details and specing them out. That way,...
Tristan Louis
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Oct 15, 2000
8:19 pm

... Me and Dan Lyke have been doing some work on this area, with the changedPage spec. Here's what I wrote to him: First, I think the spec should be broken...
Aaron Swartz
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Oct 16, 2000
1:08 am

... Yeah, and apologies at not getting back to you, I have to run a few more tests on the PostgreSQL changes and the bug fixes and hope to be able to post......
Dan Lyke
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Oct 16, 2000
2:05 am

Howdy, ... I'm not sure why you refer to DC[1] as a slippery slope here. RSS 0.91 already has two DC elements at the channel and item levels (title,...
Rael Dornfest
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Oct 16, 2000
7:01 am

... I wouldn't expect anybody to promote something they're in philosophical disagreement with, so if the ICE Working Group would like someone from the...
Ken MacLeod
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Oct 15, 2000
12:46 pm

Yes, that's the <date> I was referring to. Dave ... From: "Jeff Barr" <jeff@...> To: <syndication@egroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 10:52...
Dave Winer
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Oct 15, 2000
6:03 pm

Thanks for the clarification. I got my standards confused :) TNL ... st. | ... 8C | ... To subscribe to the TNL.net newsletter, just...
Tristan Louis
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Oct 16, 2000
2:11 am

Lurker weighing in here... I agree with Dan that ISO8601 is the preferred format for dates, but Mike brings up a good point re: XSLT. A quick grep of the XSLT...
Jeff Bone
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Oct 16, 2000
2:19 am

As far as I know there is no mention of dates / times that I've come across in the spec / working with XSLT. As I said we 'extend and embrace' RSS internally...
Mike Cannon-Brookes
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Oct 16, 2000
2:26 am

... If you're sorting you're undoubtedly doing a transformation to some format other than HTML, I'm not familiar enough with XSLT to know if it's a good way to...
Dan Lyke
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Oct 17, 2000
2:51 pm

... And this preserves human parseability how, exactly? I think this is a rotten idea. What's the epoch? (IMO, this has been a bad idea throughout the...
Jeff Bone
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Oct 16, 2000
2:42 am

... Oh I wasn't saying this is a good idea ;) Just that it's easy to do and as our files are all machine written / read, it works for us. ... That sounds...
Mike Cannon-Brookes
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Oct 16, 2000
2:45 am

Rael, two things: 1. Dublin Core is a slippery slope because most RSS developers don't have a clue what it is and I don't think they have to. 2. I'd love to...
Dave Winer
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Oct 16, 2000
1:12 pm

Howdy, ... And I'm not suggesting here that RSS 0.92 developers need to. Rather I'm noting that some of the elements being bandied about are similar enough to...
Rael Dornfest
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Oct 17, 2000
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