Hi, what's the news on getting moved to sourceforge ?, I have a couple
of ideas i want to work on soon, and it'd make sense to get back to a
single code base first.

Thanks
Simon

Using 05232003 by rOD - could be the difference.  Have you tried just removing the directory?

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To: syndirella@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [syndirella] Re: Uninstalling Syndirella

Syndirella is not listed in the Add/Remove programs list.  hmmmmmm?

-Sue

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> Control Panel->Add/Remove Programs lists Syndirella on my system. 
Haven't
> tried it though - does that not work for you?
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Control Panel->Add/Remove Programs lists Syndirella on my system.  Haven't tried it though - does that not work for you?

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How does one uninstall Syndirella?

My latest efforts:

http://www.groovymother.com/archives/2003/05/23/syndirella_dragn.html

I hope to have a go at creating folders/trees and stuff over the (lovely
long) weekend.

In other news, there *is* now a SourceForge project for Syndirella, but I'm
wanting to hear back from Dmitry before I suggest we start using it.

rOD.

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"A computer is a stupid machine with the ability to do incredibly smart
  things, while computer programmers are smart people with the ability
  to do incredibly stupid things.  They are, in short, a dangerously
  perfect match." -- Bill Bryson.

Fantastic.  Thanks rOD for doing the SourceForge bit, and thanks to both
for working together on a single codebase.  :)

I'll contribute as and when I get time.

Err... Anyone know a good way to get bugs.syndirella.net data into
SourceForge tracker?  Even better-- anyone seen bugs.syndirella.net up
lately?

I -think- I remember that Dmitry was taking an extended vacation
now-ish, but I'm not sure... Perhaps his server just crashed while he
was gone?


-----Original Message-----
From: syndirella@yahoogroups.com [mailto:syndirella@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:57 AM
To: syndirella@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [syndirella] Digest Number 73
Message: 4
    Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 22:26:51 -0400
    From: "rODbegbie" <rod-syndirella@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 71

Simon Fell wrote:
>> What would people say to creating a SourceForge.net project?  I'd be
>> happy to help set it up.
>
> Seems like a sensible idea.

OK, I'll look into setting one up.  Dmitry -- If you're reading this and
don't want me to do this, drop me an email.

> BTW, are there licensing issues with adding Genghis to the mix, last
> time i looked (and its been a while), the Genghis license wasn't GPL
> compatible. However it could probably be added to the exception
> already in there.

As far as I can tell, there's no problem so long as we only distribute
the Genghis code as a binary, not source, and give the Genghis Group a
credit in documentation.

http://www.sellsbrothers.com/tools/genghis/#license

rOD.

I havn't looked at the code yet but is there any idea into switching to
using sharpdevelop?


----- Original Message -----
From: "rODbegbie" <rod-syndirella@...>
To: <syndirella@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Simon Fell" <szf@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: [syndirella] Re: Digest Number 71


> Simon Fell wrote:
> >> What would people say to creating a SourceForge.net project?  I'd be
> >> happy to help set it up.
> >
> > Seems like a sensible idea.
>
> OK, I'll look into setting one up.  Dmitry -- If you're reading this and
> don't want me to do this, drop me an email.
>
> > BTW, are there licensing issues with adding Genghis to the mix, last
> > time i looked (and its been a while), the Genghis license wasn't GPL
> > compatible. However it could probably be added to the exception
> > already in there.
>
> As far as I can tell, there's no problem so long as we only distribute the
> Genghis code as a binary, not source, and give the Genghis Group a credit
in
> documentation.
>
> http://www.sellsbrothers.com/tools/genghis/#license
>
> rOD.
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Simon Fell wrote:
>> What would people say to creating a SourceForge.net project?  I'd be
>> happy to help set it up.
>
> Seems like a sensible idea.

OK, I'll look into setting one up.  Dmitry -- If you're reading this and
don't want me to do this, drop me an email.

> BTW, are there licensing issues with adding Genghis to the mix, last
> time i looked (and its been a while), the Genghis license wasn't GPL
> compatible. However it could probably be added to the exception
> already in there.

As far as I can tell, there's no problem so long as we only distribute the
Genghis code as a binary, not source, and give the Genghis Group a credit in
documentation.

http://www.sellsbrothers.com/tools/genghis/#license

rOD.

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On Mon, 19 May 2003 14:22:52 -0400, in szf you wrote:

>Simon Fell wrote:
>> I'd be much happier if it
>> was all one effort.
>
>"Me too."
>
>What would people say to creating a SourceForge.net project?  I'd be happy
>to help set it up.
>
>rOD.

Seems like a sensible idea.

BTW, are there licensing issues with adding Genghis to the mix, last
time i looked (and its been a while), the Genghis license wasn't GPL
compatible. However it could probably be added to the exception
already in there.

Cheers
Simon

Simon Fell wrote:
> I'd be much happier if it
> was all one effort.

"Me too."

What would people say to creating a SourceForge.net project?  I'd be happy
to help set it up.

rOD.

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http://www.groovymother.com/archives/2003/05/19/syndirella_now_w.html


Just posted a release on my website.  It's based on Simon's code that he
released on Friday (if only for the fact that I can't connect to Dimitry's
site to download CVS), and displays pop-up windows in the style of MSN
Messenger when new stories are posted.

Feel free to take it for a spin.  Comments are very welcome.

rOD.


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--- In syndirella@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy Dunck" <jeremy@d...> wrote:
> Simon,
>  Thanks for the contribution.  I haven't DL'ed yet, but support
> for gzip support and IBlogExtension are both good to have.  I'm less
> enthusiastic about xhtml:body, but hey, I'm not doing the work.  :)
>
>  Did I read correctly [1] that this is a fork?  Was there
> something Dmitry didn't like about the changes, or is he simply
> unresponsive?  I see that home.yole.ru is down.  It'd be a shame
> to fork the code, if we could simply improve upon the existing app
> under one effort.  RSS has enough forks as it is.

I tried to get an earler set of changes back into the main code base,
but never heard anything back from Dmitry. I'd be much happier if it
was all one effort.

>  BTW, it's currently spelled Syndirella-- It's a pun on
> Cinderella not just using Syn for syndication, but "dir" for
> directory... I think. I'd have no major issue with renaming it, but
> I wanted to make sure your (mis)spelling wasn't just an accident.

It doesn't seem to matter how many times i look at it, i always spell
it wrong!. Thanks for pointing it out.

Cheers
Simon

Simon,
	 Thanks for the contribution.  I haven't DL'ed yet, but support
for gzip support and IBlogExtension are both good to have.  I'm less
enthusiastic about xhtml:body, but hey, I'm not doing the work.  :)

	 Did I read correctly [1] that this is a fork?  Was there
something Dmitry didn't like about the changes, or is he simply
unresponsive?  I see that home.yole.ru is down.  It'd be a shame to fork
the code, if we could simply improve upon the existing app under one
effort.  RSS has enough forks as it is.

	 BTW, it's currently spelled Syndirella-- It's a pun on
Cinderella not just using Syn for syndication, but "dir" for
directory... I think. I'd have no major issue with renaming it, but I
wanted to make sure your (mis)spelling wasn't just an accident.

	 Thanks,
		 Jeremy

[1]
http://www.pocketsoap.com/weblog/stories/2003/05/0024.html

-----Original Message-----
<snip>
Message: 1
    Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 05:53:50 -0000
    From: "Simon Fell" <szf@...>
Subject: Synderilla build

I figured you might be interested in the build of Synderilla i just
posted, that expands on Dmitry's last drop and adds support for
gzip/deflate compression, displaying xhtml:body based items and support
for blogging plugins

http://www.pocketsoap.com/weblog/stories/2003/05/0024.html

Cheers
Simon
www.pocketsoap.com

I figured you might be interested in the build of Synderilla i just
posted, that expands on Dmitry's last drop and adds support for
gzip/deflate compression, displaying xhtml:body based items and
support for blogging plugins

http://www.pocketsoap.com/weblog/stories/2003/05/0024.html

Cheers
Simon
www.pocketsoap.com

The change from HttpWebRequest to WebRequest introduced a serious
flaw... now Syndirella does not sense the progress of the connection, and
always keeps it open, even though the actual request long has timed out.

/Mariusz

That worked a treat

Thanks very much.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Husein Choroomi [mailto:hchoroomi@...]
> Sent: 07 May 2003 21:40
> To: syndirella@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [syndirella] Utter novice question (sorry)
>
>
> Did you delete Syndirella.exe.manifest file?
> Did you add devenv.exe.manifest file to VS.NET?
>
> If so just add Syndirella.exe.manifest to the Syndirella directory OR
> remove devenv.exe.manifest from VS.NET directory.
>
> Husein Choroomi,
> http://www.ManagedComponents.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gareth Simpson [mailto:g.simpson@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:25 PM
> To: syndirella@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [syndirella] Utter novice question (sorry)
>
> Sorry to join the mailing list with a tedious question.
>
> I'm running Sydirella from source and have made some modifications to
> it.
>
> Its all going fine on that front, but what's not working is
> the loading
> of
> the images into the image lists (a piece of code I haven't touched)
>
> I get the following error
>
> An unhandled exception of type
> 'System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException'
> occurred in mscorlib.dll
>
> Additional information: Exception has been thrown by the target of an
> invocation.
>
> at Line 842 of MainForm.cs :
>
> this.imageList1.ImageStream =
> ((System.Windows.Forms.ImageListStreamer)(resources.GetObject(
> "imageList
> 1.Im
> ageStream")));
>
> And everywhere else an image list is used.
>
> I'm a C++ and java developer normally and only know enough
> about C# and
> .NET
> to be dangerous, but I'd really appreciate some help sorting this out
> because this problem aside I've quite enjoyed messing around with the
> Syndirella code.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Gareth
>
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Did you delete Syndirella.exe.manifest file?
Did you add devenv.exe.manifest file to VS.NET?

If so just add Syndirella.exe.manifest to the Syndirella directory OR
remove devenv.exe.manifest from VS.NET directory.

Husein Choroomi,
http://www.ManagedComponents.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Gareth Simpson [mailto:g.simpson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:25 PM
To: syndirella@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [syndirella] Utter novice question (sorry)

Sorry to join the mailing list with a tedious question.

I'm running Sydirella from source and have made some modifications to
it.

Its all going fine on that front, but what's not working is the loading
of
the images into the image lists (a piece of code I haven't touched)

I get the following error

An unhandled exception of type
'System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException'
occurred in mscorlib.dll

Additional information: Exception has been thrown by the target of an
invocation.

at Line 842 of MainForm.cs :

this.imageList1.ImageStream =
((System.Windows.Forms.ImageListStreamer)(resources.GetObject("imageList
1.Im
ageStream")));

And everywhere else an image list is used.

I'm a C++ and java developer normally and only know enough about C# and
.NET
to be dangerous, but I'd really appreciate some help sorting this out
because this problem aside I've quite enjoyed messing around with the
Syndirella code.

Thanks a lot.

Gareth




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--- Doug <doug.ransom@...> wrote:

> Has work on syndirella ceased?

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Has work on syndirella ceased?

Doug

Sorry to join the mailing list with a tedious question.

I'm running Sydirella from source and have made some modifications to it.

Its all going fine on that front, but what's not working is the loading of
the images into the image lists (a piece of code I haven't touched)

I get the following error

An unhandled exception of type 'System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException'
occurred in mscorlib.dll

Additional information: Exception has been thrown by the target of an
invocation.

at Line 842 of MainForm.cs :

this.imageList1.ImageStream =
((System.Windows.Forms.ImageListStreamer)(resources.GetObject("imageList1.Im
ageStream")));

And everywhere else an image list is used.

I'm a C++ and java developer normally and only know enough about C# and .NET
to be dangerous, but I'd really appreciate some help sorting this out
because this problem aside I've quite enjoyed messing around with the
Syndirella code.

Thanks a lot.

Gareth

Feature request, support the rss 1.0 syndication module for determing
how often to reload channels.

The scroll bar control is confused, and I can't see the bottom of my
subscriptions.  See
http://ransom.dyndns.ws/doug/stuff/synd.png

I recently changed from 800 x 600 to 1024 x 768 display, and before
that installed the latest dotnet framework release.

Doug

>    From: "David Stone" <dstone@...>
>
>I've had several posts to my blog about this:
>
>http://dotnetweblogs.com/Dstone/posts/4638.aspx
>http://dotnetweblogs.com/Dstone/posts/4645.aspx
>http://dotnetweblogs.com/Dstone/posts/4648.aspx
>http://dotnetweblogs.com/Dstone/posts/4694.aspx
>
>Until Chris Hollander pointed out:
>
>http://objective.mine.nu/archive/2003/4/2.aspx#when:09:12:46.4066416
>
>Using System.Xml is actually the best way to go because when things change,
>you don't have to re-engineer the entire library. Just adapt your UI to new
>stuff in the DataSet you pull in from the XmlDocument.

Well, I don't really like the remoting idea, because that locks people into
a .NET world, when you could almost as easily provide a webby format (call
it RSSS), which is open to any platform.

Also, Syndirella uses serialization as it's primary data store, and I've
never been comfortable with that.  Serialization is very cool, and is a
cleverly cheap way to deal with data persistence problems, but it's a closed
format, and that makes me nervous.

I guess I prefer open solutions whenever it's cheap and easy to do so.

But besides that, I appreciate the comment about just using Sys.XML.  I
guess I was thinking about making the RSS library a shield from the
volatility of the format.  What I mean is, there are a variety of RSS
flavors, and for the most part, the sematics of RSS .9 are preserved.

The library I have in mind would consume any RSS flavor (including
ultra-liberal parsing), and provide a simple interface to the core
semantics, essentially tossing anything that wasn't "core".  OK, that sucks
as versions meaningfully extend the information in RSS, because people are
supplying more info than the libary is going to expose.

With that in mind, I'd plan on extending the interface to include more
semantics, but still shield the client from worrying over which version of
RSS that was received, or indeed, if it was even RSS!  Web feeds are a big
win in Syndirella.

The idea here would be to convert whatever data is originally received into
a sort of canonical RSS.  If you've ever seen [canonical XML], you can
appreciate how this can simplify what the core parser needs to know about.

The state of RSS -is- pretty bad, though.  You've really got a bunch of
different formats masquerading as "RSS", with various versions offering
technical variety, but little functional difference.

The consumer doesn't care about what the format is, as long as it gets them
site update information.  RSS as a format has not had clear goals, leading
to seemingly-arbitrary, definitely odd, design decisions.  I'm frankly
stumped over the decision to include [xhtml:body], as it pretty well
requires browser integration, and that doesn't seem a given to me, at all.

(Gears shifting)

There -is- value in stability and recognition, and I think that's what Dave
Winer was pointing out when he complained of people diluting the recognition
of the orange [XML button].  It wasn't about ego-- it was about utility.  If
we want RSS to be useful to the masses, we can't count on them knowing what
RSS is, or liking your pretty RSS button.

Most people simply don't care.  They just want it to work.

Given, the choice of orange and the label "XML" was probably overly
noticable and overly broad, but it is what it is.  White text with
transparent background and anti-aliased dark halo, saying "News" might have
been better.  But recognition was the point-- not "look at Dave Winer's ugly
button".

And, of course, there's the point that Radio almost certainly gave RSS the
critical mass it needed to explode into the value it has today, and that's
worth something.

To close, I -do- think the following would be useful:
   0) A site for RSS efforts to be organized, and clear goals for the format
to be defined.  Ad-hocracy is adding client complexity in this case.
   1) An RSS library to handle different formats with same/similar semantics
   2) Using RSS to aggregate RSS channels (RSSS)?
   3) A simple RESTian HTTP server to get and put an RSS feed, with minimal
server requirements.

   -Jeremy

[canonical XML]
Note the irony that there are two distinct ways to define "canonical xml".
http://www.jclark.com/xml/canonxml.html
http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-c14n

[xhtml:body]
http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1299.html

[XML button]
http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backissues/2002/01/14#aboutThoseXmlButtons
http://rick.978.org/archive/001118.html


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>    From: "rODbegbie" <rod-syndirella@...>
>Subject: people seen this?
>
>http://home.yole.ru/weblog/archives/000091.html
>
>Explains the quietness of late.
>
>rOD.

Thanks for the pointer.  I hadn't checked for an update in a few days.

I agree w/ yole that there's an awful lot of overlap, and that there's a lot
of hard-to-find bugs.  The fun part is over-- except for the users.  :)

I, for one, would like CVS access.

I'm for adding the few major feature people are clamoring for, fixing the
relatively-important and easy-to-fix bugs, and then...

The good news is, we've got a great tool, it's free, you can hack on it if
you like, and we'll all be doing whatever we feel is most productive.

I think it might be worth working on a core reader library, which handles on
the non-UI messiness that is RSS.  I'd want to put out feelers to the other
.NET reader projects to see if they think that's worthwhile, and indeed, if
there is enough requirements overlap to make it practical.

   -Jeremy

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probably never will :(

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rODbegbie [mailto:rod-syndirella@...]
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:59 PM
> To: syndirella@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [syndirella] people seen this?
>
>
> http://home.yole.ru/weblog/archives/000091.html
>
> Explains the quietness of late.
>
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http://home.yole.ru/weblog/archives/000091.html

Explains the quietness of late.

rOD.

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Adam wrote:
> Taboo here I'm sure,

:)

There's a known bug that when there are two items in a feed with the same
name, one gets overwritten by the other, and marked as an update.

http://home.yole.ru/roundup/roundup.cgi/bugs/issue46

However, the newsdesk feed is a nice twist -- It actually has two different
titles, differing only by the Part number.  Wonder why Syndirella is
ignoring it.

rOD.

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