--- In synergeo@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Fischbeck" <dick_fischbeck@...> wrote:
>
> The nation/states have been obsolete for a long time. One way to understand it
is when the telegraph was invented and used, the Pony Express didn't just
disappear overnight. But don't drag Marx into the desovereignization phenomenon.
Political has nothing to do with it as far as I know.
>
> My mind is open though. Got a good story? A metaphor?
>

Well, I was quoting the Grunch of Giants dust jacket, which says
explicitly that the contents therein exceed the potency of Marxist
writings when it comes to subverting prevailing concepts of property,
intellectual and otherwise. Few humans think "corporate persons"
should be able to patent human DNA sequences. That's just too
Gothic horror, straight out of Frankenstein.

Since GofG we've had the open source revolution in the software
industry, with engineers self-organizing to free themselves from many
an onerous license agreement. As engineering stops owing some
"powers that be", it becomes better at revolutionary design science,
meaning that bloodless enterprise you were talking about (bloodless
in the sense of not being a blood thirsty monster, dropping tons of
bombs on humans, exploding their buildings, sinking their ships,
while meanwhile owning their DNA (very Matrix)). The aerial bombing
idea was especially tested by Hitler-Mussolini against Barcelona,
much in the way helicopter gunships were tried out in Panama, or
cluster bombs against Belgrade.

Containment of corporatism has become a major world goal, with a
meeting about that in Detroit going on right now, lots of
participation by auto workers among others. People see the writing
on the wall and know we need some new industry, and they don't see
enough evidence of that happening. Luxury condos and playgrounds
for the most spoiled global U students hardly counts towards ending
world hunger ASAP. Too much goofing off, too few people actually
studying (for lack of a safety net in many cases -- lots of riot cops
would like nothing better than to read economics and retrofit their
houses with energy saving technologies, but they've been trapped on
a treadmill with no "get off it switch" (a safety violation)).

That's why a Ben and Jerry's in Havana would likely need a different
API to software, as would the CSN pilots. There might be some Grameen
bank type infrastructure, except we're not thinking about micro-loans
so much. If a bakery gets startup funds through the zip code's own
denizens, who hanker for fresh bread, then the shops might purchase
said bread with a payload (charitable donation), a kind of "pay it
forward" approach (with the bakery benefiting from two ends, in
having seed money, plus a ready-made outlet for food stuffs --
even high quality mini-donuts in some cases **).

Instead of a "corporation" we might call it a "co-operation" in
Cuba. Open source software and LCD-displayed journals (summarized
in graphical formats) would constitute an "open book" way of doing
business, without violating customer and/or vendor privacy on some
issues (there's built in secrecy in gaming -- you don't get to see
everyone's cards -- same as in medical science (studying voluminous
case histories independently of knowing patient identities is a long-
running theme in my on-line journals)).

I'm guessing the Tillamook model would be fairly consistent with
the Cuban co-operative mindset, and that what Ben and Jerry's could
best offer would be local manufacturing of various products, in
a model plant controlled by workers. This would be good publicity
for the product abroad and help offset the terrible job the
corporatists are doing with their Gitmo Project (not recognizably
a USA endeavor, except for the co-opted decals, need to swap for
BP's (re Illuminati:
http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2007/09/lampoon-harpoon.html)).

Ben and Jerry's is owned by Unilever, which is exempt from any
USA-imposed embargo. No one takes that embargo seriously anyway,
not since that Michael Moore film, wherein Ground Zero health
workers, cut off by insurance, get better treatment from "the
socialists" (non-believers in fictional Giants, not superstitious
"bow down" types). Clearly the Cuban people are against terrorism,
are ice cream lovers with a taste for cigars (not necessarily in
the same sitting). Their syn-geom designers use recyclable
materials to make those Mite, Syte and Kite flavors, proving
they're expecting to pass the planet onward to future generations.

Apocalyptic ranters should stay home in their Fast Food Nation,
the better to eat their mad cow burgers and recklessly burn peak
oil. They're prisoners of their own government anyway, disallowed
from visiting Havana, even while Canadians enjoy their freedoms
and better health care (smarter pundits, better schools).

Using bike trailers to sell ice cream around town would be preferable
to imitating the gas guzzlers up north. This would also be an
opportunity to lose the loud blaring stoopid music, or at least to
replace it with something more original.

Kirby


** I apologize for calling that mini-donut movie a "horror film"
('Pleasantville' is more funny). Our local ecosystem sustains a
donut company that helps do youth outreach, has a charitable angle.
That could be a role model. Note that I explicitly mention donuts
(which could include "mini") in this CSN circuit diagram:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/17157315@N00/3114209807/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/17157315@N00/3196398028/

> --- In synergeo@yahoogroups.com, "coyote_starship" <kirby.urner@> wrote:
>
> > Anyone who studies any Marxism (mine was mixed with Freudianism,
> > thanks to Princeton, keeping up on trends) knows that "withering
> > of the state" is a conscious goal. Fuller had to be aware that
> > his Dymaxion Projection, for all its faults next to the Carhill
> > say **, was nation-free, and therefore subversively Marxist in flavor.
>