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LinuxAsia 07: Important Announcements
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Programme details have been announced
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experience at LinuxAsia 07.

Day 1 Programme(Jan 31, 2007): http://www.linuxasia.net/la07/p1.php
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ILUG-Delhi: Thank You
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Other Announcements
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Date: 1st Feb, 07
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Dear friends,

This year, LinuxAsia's main goal is to promote open source innovations
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Best Wishes!

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Software Developers' Day @ LinuxAsia
************************************

LinuxAsia 07 features a complete day dedicated to software development
practices and technologies as part of its 'Technology.Innovation' track!

Date: 1st Feb, 07
Venue: India Habitat Centre, New Delhi
Timings: 9:30 am to 6:00 pm

2 Key Themes For That Day
-------------------------

#1: Platforms.Tools.Development: Expose software developers to the
latest open source tools, platforms and technologies

#2: Scalable.Robust.Databases: Share the latest developments in open
source databases

Free Registration Still Open
---------------------------
Free COMMUNITY PASSES are being given to the first 500 registrants!
These COMMUNITY PASSES will allow entry to the 'technology.innovation'
track for FREE. However, seating is subject to availability of seats,
and on a
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Greetings for the New Year from LINUX For You magazine team!

As you all know, we run a section called 'Opinions' in LFY where we
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The forthcoming issue of LFY would carry a story on the following:

How to develop a community of open source developers?

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Please write to us at sujata.banerjee@... with a CC to
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Dear Members of the community,

LinuxAsia 2007 is coming. And this year, we would like to ensure that
the Linux/OSS community is fully engaged with the event.

What all is happening at LinuxAsia this year?
*********************************************

The main track - 'technology.innovation@...', which will go on for
3 days from 31st January till 2nd February 2007 at the India Habitat
Centre, New Delhi.

The second track - CXOSummit - is a one-day event being held at Hotel
Taj Mahal, Man Singh, New Delhi on the 1st of February 2007.

Besides that, there will be an IOSN summit, ODF India Chapter summit,
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Expo.

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Who all are going to speak at LinuxAsia 2007?
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Klaus Knopper (Knoppix), Brian Behlendorf (Apache and CollabNet), Dr
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The goals that have been laid down for LinuxAsia 07 are:

Goal #1: Promote open source driven innovation so that India can
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Cheers!
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team@...

After reading all these mails (esp. subjected "summary
report"), I became very eager to ask one question. It
may be a foolish question or of type "who will bell
the cat?".

The Question Is:

Is there any way that we can implement some encoding
for thamizh, like TANE, in unicode,
  - that has the perfect sort order (so that a seperate
algoritm for determinig the collation is not needed)
  - that is wisiwig (good to hear, illayaa. an indic
encoding that is wisiwig..)
  - where each character represents one letter of the
language (there is no need for combining multiple
characters to bring one letter of the language and no
need of the corresponding algorithm)

ayyaa.. aasaiyaa irukku.. ippidi oNNu amanJuraathaa
nu..

amaiyumaa saami? enakkennavO idhu kaanal neerO nu
thONthu!..

thamizhOda edhirkaalatthula' maN aLLi pOttuttaanGaLE
C-DAC padupaavigaL..

if the answer for  my above question is 100% NO.. then
what is the meaning of all these discussion and
groups..?


Regards
R.Padmakumar


--- Michael Kaplan <michka@...> wrote:

> Unfortunately, the summary report will not help the
> situation.
>
> The government of Tamil Nadu has promised people a
> solution.
>
> If we recommend that they stick with Unicode as it
> is and nothing
> further then they will lose face.
>
> If we recommend that they go through with TUNE,
> TANE, or any other
> attempt to change Unicode that violates the
> stability rules of
> Unicode and ISO 10646, then eventually the proposal
> will go before
> ISO SC2/WG2 and/or Unicode and it will be refused.
> And once again
> they will lose face.
>
> Perhaps they have more political cover if they go
> with the latter
> plan, and if they have TANE sit alongside TAB and
> TAM as a standard
> in TN. It won't help the language, it won't help
> anyone really. But
> perhaps they will not be voted out of office if they
> can point to
> evil ISO and evil Unicode as the scapegoat for the
> failure.
>
> As a group, if people here love and care about the
> future of Tamil, a
> plan must be devised which will productively help
> the language. This
> is not something that the summary report will give
> them, so the REAL
> summary report has to be devised in such a way as to
> help the
> language, the government, and the people of TN. And
> of the world.
>
> Michael
>
>

--- naga_ganesan <naga_ganesan@...> wrote:

> --- In tune_rfc@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ganesh"
> <ganesh@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Begging to differ, I was taught to recite Ka, Gna,
> Cha only. Not
> Ik, Inj,
> > Ich etc.
> > But today's teachers are directed to teach Ik,
> Inj. If we ask the
> reason
> > they quote Tholkapiar...
> > I tried to teach my daughter the easier way but
> she would not dare
> to differ
> > form her teacher. So I suggested a race to my
> daughter. I asked
> her to
> > challenge her teacher. Let the teacher start with
> Ik, Inj and she
> can do Ka,
> > Gna. Who ever finishes first wins and has her say.
> The race is yet
> to take
> > place. Not sure if it ever would.
> >
> > To the very specific issue if mey letters like Ik,
> Inj should be
> added into
> > the spare space available in the 128 points
> allotted today in
> Unicode for
> > Tamil, I would say it is a bad idea.
> > Why do people want to do that? To be grammatically
> correct. And
> when they
> > find the sort order haphazard they become further
> furious.
> > As already pointed out it is transparent to the
> user and let the
> encoding
> > and order be left to the computer engineer.
> > Ravi Ganesh
> >
> >
> >
>
> Dear Ravi Ganesh,
>
> The corpus of earliest Tamil Brahmi phase is
> increasing,
> thanks to efforts by archaeologists like prof. K.
> Rajan's team
> (who is moving from Tamil univ., to Pondichery
> Central university
> on Jan. 1st '07) ... Because the Tamil grammatical
> tradition
> defines 'pure' consonants as a core design
> principle,
> and proven by history and archaeology, the pure
> consonants
> is what makes Tamil conjuncts-free, very different
> from the
> non-Tamil Indic scripts. So, it's perfectly ok to
> have
> an encoding system where just vowels and pure
> consonants
> are encoded, and pure_consonant + vowel modifier
> will produce
> all uyirmey letters including those with /a/ (called
> akshara
> in other scripts). There are Bhattiprolu
> inscriptions
> from 2nd century BCE which follow this Tamil model.
>
> From one of my old mails in this list where I
> discuss
> the encoding approach. A decade ago or so, we could
> have gotten this
> as  Tamil encoding. The pure consonant; vowels;
> uyirmey sign
> model will also work equally well.
>
> From an old message,
> ---------------------
> For Tamil,
> Dead consonant + uyirmey sign (US) = vocalised
> consonant
> (There will be US for generating, say, ka, kaa, ki,
> kii, ...)
> The main differences: Indic vowel sign acts upon an
> akshara
> whereas Tamil uyirmey sign acts upon pure consonant
> (Note 1).
> Note there is no vowel sign for generating akshara
> with /a/
> in India's scripts (Both Kannada and Telugu tried
> for
> a pseudo-VS for /a/, but got rejected). But the
> uyirmey sign
> would definitely need /a/ sign too, to generate
> uyirmey, ka, nga,
> ca, ...
>
> This model or something like this for Tamil, if TN
> govt., TVU,
> INFITT, ... must have given to Unicode years ago.
>
> N. Ganesan
>
> Note 1: BTW, there is a script in Unicode which
> works exactly like this. It is Thaana script of
> Maldives
> (which Rajaraja Cholan I ruled). Outwardly Thaana
> script
> looks as though it is Arabic, but in design it has
> close relationship with Tamil grammar, we can argue.
> http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0780.pdf
>
> Alifu is a null-consonant. To make pure vowels in
> Thaanaa script,
> this null conosnant + a vowel sign (which is the
> uyirmey sign)
> need to be used. In Thaana, pure vowels are not
> encoded
> (Cf. Tamil has no pure consonants encoded & follows
> Indic
> model).
>
> Tamil/Dravidian influence on Maldives:
>
http://www.iias.nl/iiasn/iiasn5/insouasi/maloney.html
>
>
> The "thani meyyezuththu" approach is enshrined in
> Tamil
> tradition.
>
> Best regards,
> N. Ganesan
>
>
>
>
> > ________________________________________
> > From: tune_rfc@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:tune_rfc@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Mani Manivannan
> > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 2:06 PM
> > To: tune_rfc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: RE: [tune_rfc] Re: Summary Report
> >
> > Ahem.  I beg to differ.
> >
> > Contrary to the conclusions drawn by the
> correspondent, the
> anecdote does
> > indeed demonstrate that standard of Tamil is going
> down with the
> new
> > generation.  One can analyse the reasons for such
> decline.  But
> the Tamil
> > teachers are following a tradition that has been
> passed across
> generations
> > and the previous generations had no difficulty
> with that
> methodology.  They
> > were surrounded by a Tamil milieu that made it
> possible.
> >
> > I was appalled at the modern redesign of Tamil
> texts that teach
> Tamil
> > alphabet according to shapes that are perceived to
> be easier to
> write.  Thus
> > Tamil alphabet doesn't begin with 'a' but with
> 'ta'.  Nobody seems
> to have
> > noticed that English learners do just fine with
> the traditional
> A,B,C and
> > don't start with I,L,T.  If the students learn to
> write one way
> and then are
> > asked to memorize the alphabets a different way,
> certainly they
> will be
> > confused.
> >
> > And to address, Chellappan's last question, I
> thought the whole
> point of
> > TANE is to make the storage representation to
> match what is
> visible.  What
> > you see is exactly what gets encoded.
> >
> > And I am not sure why the TANE proposal is
> "practically

--- Kalyanasundaram <kalyan.geo@...> wrote:

> Nearly everyone agrees that TUNE has to be integral
> part of existing
> Unicode and cannot work as an independent, competing
> standard. (It is
> not clear to me why the earlier announced 8-bit TAM
> encoding of TN Govt.
> be revised again to meet the current requirements of
> the Tamilnadu Govt.)
>
> Though not explicitly stated, nearly everyone agrees
> that TUNE encoding
> (for that matter any version of Tamil language
> block) must be within the
> BMP. Only those in the BMP will carry the crucial
> language tags.
>
> Any suggestion to start placing TUNE in the PUA now
> for eventual
> realignment
> within BMP is simply and plainly unrealistic. Any
> group that proposes
> 512-character TUNE to be in Unicode within BMP must
> point out potential
> location(s) within BMP. In spite of my repeated
> calls to promoters of TANE
> on this point, there has not been any explicit
> response. Reason is simple:
> there isn't that large space available as per the
> Unicode Roadmap
> published by Unicode Consortium. I guess at least
> iraamaki will agree on
> this question of available free slots.
>
> If Unicode Consortium (UC) is not ready to rewrite
> the Indic language
> block
> now to accommodate full 512-character TUNE/TANE
> encoding now, the
> chances of UC doing the same 5 or 10 years down the
> road is even more
> unrealistic.
>
> If not Tamil, other Indic languages will have a firm
> footing in their
> current
> positions/blocks in coming years. So it is very
> difficult to visualize a
> scenario of entire Indic language blocks of Unicode
> being rewritten
> a decade from now. So TUNE placed in PUA now has to
> remain there
> for ever.
>
> As much as Tamils have a right to say how Tamil
> block should look like
> in Unicode, so also speakers of other Indic
> languages on their languages.
> If at all there has to be a re-writing of all blocks
> touching upon Indic
> languages to accommodate expanded Tamil block, the
> initiative has to come
> from Govt. of India. If Tamils want a bigger block
> in Unicode, then this
> issue must be raised NOW and sorted out clearly with
> Govt. of India and
> Unicode Consortium once and for ever. PUA approach
> is only postponement
> of this eventual situation.
>
> Summary report of Chellappan does not include
> various issues
> Tamil will face even if it is to be incorporated in
> the PUA block.
>
> One important thread discussed in this list (but not
> included explicitly
> in the recent summary report) is possible refinement
> of existing
> 128-character block of Tamil in a way that will meet
> most (if not all)
> of the criticisms against the present model of Tamil
> encoding in Unicode.
> Proposals of Anbarasan, Ganesan and others on
> possible inclusion of basic
> mei letters (those with puLLis) is something that
> should be mentioned
> in the summary and also pursued in depth. Since PUA
> path is rather
> unrealistic in terms of its long term
> sustainability, alternative ways
> of refining existing Tamil Block must be pursued as
> well.
>
> Kalyan
>
>

--- iraamaki <poo@...> wrote:

> In my opinion too, the entire E34 and E38 series
> excepting E38D may be
> removed.
>
> E34 is not a Tamil Script letter; it is never taught
> in primary schools.
> Any body who wants to use a letter to represent this
> sound can do so
> from the grantha block that people are requesting
> from the Unicode
> consortium. A space for that should be requested by
> people who want
> Grantha script encoded. Let us not involve in a
> battle which does not
> pertain to us.
>
> E38 is a conjunct letter which can as well be
> represented by a
> successive combinations of k sh. Pa(ksh)am can as
> well be represented by
> Pa k sh am. After all Tamil is not supposed to
> represent conjunct
> letters. It does not give any benefit to lock up so
> much code point
> space.
>
> E3D0 to E3D7 represent old pre-MGR forms. These
> forms are essential to
> scan, search pre-MGR days documents. However, these
> have to be
> accomodated at the font level and not at the
> encoding level. Keeping
> them at the present locations is nothing but dual
> encoding.
>
> Likewise, E3D8, E3D9, E3DA to represent new moon,
> full moon, and the
> star have no relevance, since these can be
> accomplished through a wing
> ding or a similar symbol list. We do not have to
> waste the Tamil
> encoding space. As for Tamil fractions and the Om
> symbol, these can be
> achieved again by leaving specialized empty slots
> and allowing the font
> developers to utilize them as they want to. These
> need not come in an
> encoding standard. The same concept I would hold for
> Tamil numerals.
> This also should be left at the font level and not
> at the encoding
> level. All I am saying is that there are certain
> characters to be taken
> care of at the encoding standard level, and some
> slots are to be left
> free for the font developers to fill as they like.
>
> Let us not crowd the space with whatever we like. We
> have to be clear as
> to what is necessary and what is optional in an
> encoding standard.
>
> With regards,
> iraamaki.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tune_rfc@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:tune_rfc@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Mani Manivannan
> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:44 PM
> To: tune_rfc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [tune_rfc] Summary Report
>
>
> On 12/4/06, elango ae <elango_ae@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Mani,
> I agree with you from the searching angle, it is
> better to have
> different font for old style. From the angle of
> presenting old and new
> style together  in the same  document, it is
> convenient to have single
> font with both type. But I think searching is more
> important than
> presentation.
>
> Yes.  Besides, even when we worry about
> presentation, it is highly
> unlikely that a single document will mix both styles
> of Tamil characters
> except where the old style characters are part of a
> quotation, and hence
> changing the fonts is not that big of an overhead.
>
>
> TANE also has maths fractions. Should these be
> treated as symbols or as
> numerical characters. If so what should be the
> sorting order for them.
> TANE does not contain the Tamil numerals and Tamil
> symbols. Should these
> be allocated space in TANE block.
>
> In my judgement, the entire E3D and E3E blocks need
> to be revamped.
> Quite a few of these symbols look like legitimate
> Tamil characters and I
> am not sure what purpose they serve.  I suppose even
> Tamil numerals
> could be handled in a font, except perhaps the
> special numerals for 10,
> 100 and 1000.  If the Tamil numerals are supposed to
> be treated as
> numbers and not symbols, then let us just use the
> regular Arabic
> numerals and display them as Tamil numerals in a
> special font.  Some of
> the Tamil symbols such as Om, piLLaiyaar cuzhi,
> etc., are perhaps
> harmless enough to be included as is.  I would like
> to know why they
> should be included but I am not opposed to including
> these symbols.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mani M. Manivannan
>
>
--- elango ae <elango_ae@...> wrote:

>
>
> Mani Manivannan <mmanivannan@...> wrote:
>                            Let me add a few more
> points below.
>
>
> On 12/4/06, iraamaki <poo@...>
> wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tune_rfc@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:tune_rfc@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of chellappan@...
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 6:03 PM
> To:  tune_rfc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [tune_rfc] Summary Report
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> This has reference to my earlier mail requesting
> someone to prepare a
> summary report of the discussions in this group for
> presentation to the
> Task Force. Since no one has responded, I am gving
> below a gist of the
> discussions of this group. In case some
> additions/deletions/changes are
> required, please let me know.
>
> Points against TANE:
>
> 1. Present Tamil Unicode is good enough as it works
> fine in rendering
> all Tamil alphabets on screen.
> ----------------------------
>
>
> Comments by iraamaki:
>
> There are people who doubt this assertion; often
> enough we see the
> problem cropping up when a document in one platform
> is rendered into
> another platform. Of course, within Microsoft
> platform across Microsoft
> softwares, this does not happen.
> ------------------------------------------
>
> 2. UTC will not entertain an alternate encoding and
> in fact has already
> turned down earlier requests.
> 3. TANE does not follow Tholkappiam, since Uyirmeys
> are not characters.
> ------------------------------
>
>
> Comments by iraamaki:
>
> The persons who uttered these comments do not appear
> to understand
> Tholkaappiyam well. Their comments are misplaced.
> TANE does follow
> Tholkaappium perfectly well; it is only the Tamil
> block of the Unicode
> that does not follow Tholkaappiyam. I have contested
> their assertion in
>  my blog (www.valavu.blogspot.com) post
> "Tholkaappiyamum
> kuRiyeeRRangkaLum" containing 7 parts.
> -----------------------------------------
>
> 4. TANE in PUA area will not work in IDN, Blogs and
> in many other
> Internet applications.
> 5. TANE Text (in PUA area) will not show up on
> search engine results.
> 6. Some browsers and off-line applications will
> block out PUA code
> points for display.
> 7. Even though TANE text is more compact than Tamil
> Unicode text in the
> Plain Text format, when compressed the difference
> narrows down.
>
>  8. TANE should not separately encode old style
> Tamil characters.
>  9. TANE should not encode symbols that appear to be
> similar to standard Tamil characters.  This would
> avoid phishing type attacks.
>  10. TANE should restrict itself to encoding Tamil
> language characters only.  Grantha characters not
> taught in primary schools Tamil classes should be
> removed from TANE.  It should not try to be fully
> compatible with the current Unicode Tamil block.
>
>  Points for TANE:
>
> 1. TANE text is usable on many off-line applications
> like Quark, Page
> Maker, In-Design etc., since it does not require any
> special rendering
> engine.
> 2. TANE is more compact than the present Tamil
> Unicode Text in
> uncompressed form.
> 3. As far as effeciency of TANE in NLP and other
> data processing
> applications is concerned, no specific comments are
> available to dispute
> the claim. However some have merely stated that the
> results are
> hypothetical.
>  4. Once we remove the old style Tamil characters,
> TANE has the ability to encode Tamil characters in
> unambiguous ways.
>
> Comments by Elango:
> The old style Tamil characters are kept in the
> Symbols block for archival purposes. It may not
> affect the Tamil character block. Hence it may still
> be useful to keep these symbols. Otherwise one has
> to change the fonts to represent these old type
> characters.
>
>
>  5. There are no unprintable characters in TANE.
> Documents created in TANE will comply with the
> WYSWYG (What You See What You Get) principle.
>  6. Dependent vowels cannot exist independently in
> TANE.
>  7. TANE preserves the data integrity of Tamil
> documents and will avoid all legal challenges to the
> official documents.
>
>  Regards,
> Elango
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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phew!
there are so many available.
go here and downlaod them
http://www.ildc.in/GIST/htm/fonts.htm
the open fonts are the ones that are unicode complaiant
that is what you need.

tv

On 11/6/06, srinivasan madhavan <srinimadh@...> wrote:
>
>   I am engaged in rendering translation services and my client needs
> translated versions to be saved in either of the captioned fonts on MS word
> file to be sent to them.
>


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hi hari,
wondering if the list is alive or not.
i enrolled and got an automated mail from sri.nicolas saying i need to
wait for approval.
still waiting........
tv

On 11/10/06, R Hariram Aatreya <rhariram@...> wrote:
> hi tv,
>
> The owner for KDE in Tamil is Vasee.
> Vasee , Are you on the list ?
>
> hari.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Tirumurti Vasudevan <agnihot3@...>
> To: kde-i18n-doc@...
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Nicolas Ternisien <nicolas.ternisien@...>
> To: Tirumurti Vasudevan <agnihot3@...>
>
>
> Hi !
>
> As you can see here :
> http://l10n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=ta
>
> The Tamil KDE team exists, but i'm sure that they are  still alive ;-)
>
> You should contact kde-i18n-doc@... to know more about this team
> and about the place where its members are located.
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> 2006/11/8, Tirumurti Vasudevan <agnihot3@...>:
> > sir googled and found that there is no team for kde tamil translation.
> > the link tamilinux is a deadlink. seems non existant
> > i am interested in such translation.
> > can you pl help?
>


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On 11/10/06, Jayaradha <njayaradha@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Hari,
>
> I think after zhakanini's translation effort there is no translation went
> in to KDE.
> It will be good if we could take some initiative regarding KDE.
>
> Thanks,
> Jayaradha.
>
> **
>
hmmm.
when are we starting?
;-)
tv

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I am engaged in rendering translation services and my client needs translated
versions to be saved in either of the captioned fonts on MS word file to be sent
to them. I'v tried various sources to get these fonts but unable to get/upload
the same into my sister having windows XP. can anyone help me in getting these
fonts and guideiin uploading the same into my system?
   thanks
   madhavan


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Hi Hari,

   I think after zhakanini's translation effort there is no translation went in
to KDE.
   It will be good if we could take some initiative regarding KDE.

   Thanks,
   Jayaradha.

R Hariram Aatreya <rhariram@...> wrote:
           hi tv,

The owner for KDE in Tamil is Vasee.
Vasee , Are you on the list ?

hari.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tirumurti Vasudevan <agnihot3@...>
To: kde-i18n-doc@...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Nicolas Ternisien <nicolas.ternisien@...>
To: Tirumurti Vasudevan <agnihot3@...>

Hi !

As you can see here :
http://l10n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=ta

The Tamil KDE team exists, but i'm sure that they are still alive ;-)

You should contact kde-i18n-doc@... to know more about this team
and about the place where its members are located.

Cheers.

2006/11/8, Tirumurti Vasudevan <agnihot3@...>:
> sir googled and found that there is no team for kde tamil translation.
> the link tamilinux is a deadlink. seems non existant
> i am interested in such translation.
> can you pl help?





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hi tv,

The owner for KDE in Tamil is Vasee.
Vasee , Are you on the list ?

hari.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tirumurti Vasudevan <agnihot3@...>
To: kde-i18n-doc@...


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Nicolas Ternisien <nicolas.ternisien@...>
To: Tirumurti Vasudevan <agnihot3@...>


Hi !

As you can see here :
http://l10n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=ta

The Tamil KDE team exists, but i'm sure that they are  still alive ;-)

You should contact kde-i18n-doc@... to know more about this team
and about the place where its members are located.


Cheers.

2006/11/8, Tirumurti Vasudevan <agnihot3@...>:
> sir googled and found that there is no team for kde tamil translation.
> the link tamilinux is a deadlink. seems non existant
> i am interested in such translation.
> can you pl help?

--- In tamilinix@yahoogroups.com, "Muguntharaj Subramanian"
<mugunth@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> Do we have tamilnet99 keyboard layout for SCIM ?
>

Mugunth also participates in Ubuntu-Tamil
(https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-l10n-tam) and he was
answered on this in that list.

Wish to point out to other members some of my recent messages of mine
on m17n-tamil99 (including those on bug fixes) archived as follows:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-l10n-tam/2006-October/000167.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-l10n-tam/2006-October/000179.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-l10n-tam/2006-October/000439.html

The last of above points to messages in m17n-lib mai list for fixing
some bugs. For installing m17n-tamil99 mim file (ta-tamil99.mim) use
the most recent bug fixed in m17n-lib cvs:
http://cvs.m17n.org/viewcvs/m17n/m17n-contrib/im-indic/ta-tamil99.mim?rev=1.4&vi\
ew=log

I am interested in problems experienced with scim / m17n etc in
distros other than Ubuntu and would like to see other members
comments, questions on the same.

~ Sethu

>
> On 10/22/06, Sethu <skhome@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Dear Hari
> >
> > Thanks for the explanation - finally I have learnt the difference
> > between old and new typewriters.
> >
> > > க் (k or ka with pulli) is typed as "f;" in new and ";f" in old
> > > (same for other letters)
> > > . similar change of order in typing for i-kaaram, e-kaaram,
ai-kaaram &
> > o-kaaram
> >
> > Now I see. The old type writer sequence is not feasible with XKB
> > algorithms because in them there is no way to store first keystroke
> > and then get it transposed next to following stroke for renderer to do
> > the joining. So scim is good choice for old typewriter.
> >
> > ~Sethu
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Hi All,
Do we have tamilnet99 keyboard layout for SCIM ?

Regards,
Mugunth

On 10/22/06, Sethu <skhome@...> wrote:
>
>   Dear Hari
>
> Thanks for the explanation - finally I have learnt the difference
> between old and new typewriters.
>
> > க் (k or ka with pulli) is typed as "f;" in new and ";f" in old
> > (same for other letters)
> > . similar change of order in typing for i-kaaram, e-kaaram, ai-kaaram &
> o-kaaram
>
> Now I see. The old type writer sequence is not feasible with XKB
> algorithms because in them there is no way to store first keystroke
> and then get it transposed next to following stroke for renderer to do
> the joining. So scim is good choice for old typewriter.
>
> ~Sethu
>
>



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Dear Hari

Thanks for the explanation - finally I have learnt the difference
between old and new typewriters.

> க் (k or ka with pulli) is typed as "f;" in new and ";f" in old
>   (same for other letters)
> . similar change of order in typing for i-kaaram, e-kaaram, ai-kaaram &
o-kaaram

Now I see. The old type writer sequence is not feasible with XKB
algorithms because in them there is no way to store first keystroke
and then get it transposed next to following stroke for renderer to do
the joining. So scim is good choice for old typewriter.

~Sethu

Posted inline because tamilinix yahoogroups does not seem to like
attachments:

=======
From: Christian Perrier <bubulle@...>

(crossposted message)

The attached file contains the only string that is incomplete in
Debian Installer for Tamil.

This is a list of timezones in USA. Unfortunately, it seems that one
is missing and you can guess that I'm unable to say which one as I
obviously don't read Tamil.

May someone help me completing this file?

Hopefully before the end of today (which, if I understand well, is an
important day in India, right?).
=======

The file in question is ta3.po available at
http://people.debian.org/~rganesan/ta3.po. US/Pacific is missing a
translation. Can somebody quickly help and reply directly to
bubulle@.... Thanks.

Ganesan


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hi Sethu,

>  Some recent releases / changes among scim components  - news from
>  scim-im ( http://www.scim-im.org/ ) of interest to tamil keyboard
>  users:
[...]

>  http://www.scim-im.org/news/imengines_news/scim_tables_0_5_7
>  http://www.scim-im.org/news/imengines_news/new_scim_tables_0_5_7_tarball
>
>  Interestingly, this SCIM_TABLES release introduces a new layout for
>  tamil - called "Remington". I did not update my scim-tables to this
>  release 0.5.7 but pulled out this tamil-Remington from the tar ball
>  and included with scim-tables-0.5.6 in my Ubuntu-Dapper. It is a
>  typewriter layout and I pressed a few keys to compare with the
>  corresponding for XKB Tamil-Unicode tw layout  - they appear to be
>  same.
>
>  If there are no difference between the layout of this scim-tables
>  Remington and that of XKB tamil-unicode then I would recommend a tamil
>  typewriter user to stick to XKB one (at least on GNOME that I am more
>  familiar with) because  XKB is less problematic and more longstanding
>  than scim framework (scim is of more value for those layouts for which
>  xkb is not or less suited - i.e., phonetics like romanised,
>  transliteration and tamilnet99)

xkb not same as Remington.
XKB follows what is sometimes termed as "New Tamil Typewriter".
while the Remington in the scim-tables follows what is also known
as "Old Tamil Typewriter" (layout of the mechanical tamil typewriter layout
that is still being taught in typing institutes in Tamil Nadu)
Major differences between "New Typewriter" and "Old Typewriter"
layouts:
. க் (k or ka with pulli) is typed as "f;" in new and ";f" in old
   (same for other letters)
. similar change of order in typing for i-kaaram, e-kaaram, ai-kaaram & o-kaaram
. changes to some of the i-kaaram. eg: குுு (ku)= "f[" in new and "F" in
old
. changes in keystrokes for some of the grantha chars
   (cant remember which, off the top of my head)

However, if one is used to XKB, its best to stick to it.

The Remington layout was created for users who
have learnt typing formally would prefer to type with it.

hari.

[...]
>
>  ~Sethu
>

Dear Sarangan,
Contact Domodaran at this email id: *psg_01l109@...

Regard,
Mugunth
*
On 10/18/06, Sarangan Thuraisingham <sarangan.thuraisingham@...>
wrote:
>
>   I am interested. What should I do? Where do I go?
>
> On 10/11/06, Jayaradha <njayaradha@... <njayaradha%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Thanks for the mail.
> > Mr Domaradharan and Dr T Vasudevan are working on it.
> > If anybody is interested in translation, please contact us.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jayaradha
> >
> >
> >
> > Ganesan Rajagopal <rganesan@...
<rganesan%40vsnl.net><rganesan%40vsnl.net>> wrote:
> > >>>>> Ganesan Rajagopal <rganesan@...
<rganesan%40vsnl.net><rganesan%40vsnl.net>> writes:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > Can any one help?
> >
> > Arrgh, attachment removed. Here's the full text again
> >
> > From: "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <jaldhar@...
<jaldhar%40debian.org><jaldhar%40debian.org>>
> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:31:25 -0400 (EDT)
> > Subject: [DebianIndia] Save the Tamil Debian installer!
> > Reply-To: DebianIndia@yahoogroups.com
<DebianIndia%40yahoogroups.com><DebianIndia%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > I am travelling in India and only have sporadic Internet access but I
> saw
> > this message. Please, if you can help, contact the
> > debian-i18n@...
<debian-i18n%40lists.debian.org><debian-i18n%40lists.debian.org> mailing list
> > so that Etch can ship with
> > the option to install in Tamil.
> >
> > > A few weeks ago, I anounced:
> > >
> > > Quoting Christian Perrier (bubulle@...
<bubulle%40debian.org><bubulle%40debian.org>):
> > > > (Bcc'ed to all translators addresses I have for mentioned
> > > > languages. Please reply to
debian-i18n@...<debian-i18n%40lists.debian.org>
> <debian-i18n%40lists.debian.org>,
> > NOT to myself)
> > > >
> > > > After a discussion I've had with Frans Pop, the Debian Installer
> > > > release manager, the probability for some translations to be
> DISABLED
> > > > in Debian Installer RC1 is very high.
> > > >
> > > > The following translations have not had any update for many months
> and
> > > > we have not detected any translator activity to correct this.
> > > >
> > > > THIS IS THE VERY LAST WARNING before these translations are disabled
> > > > for the Debian Installer Release Candidate 1 (RC1) version, due out
> at
> > > > the end of October. Translators have roughly 2 weeks before the
> > > > disabling action is taken. Translations will be kept as master files
> > > > for the future, of course. We will not drop these translations, just
> > > > remove them from the proposed languages in the installer.
> > > >
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > > Languages that failed to have recent activity:
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > > Tamil | 2006-05-10 | 526t 31f 963u
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > No activity occurred for Tamil since then and I got now news from any
> > > of the registered translators.
> >
> > > We are very close to desactivate the language in D-I and, indeed, it
> > > would already be desactivated would I have listened to Frans.
> >
> > > Please, please, please, translators, give news, show some activity.
> > >
> > > There is nothing that I dislike more than removing translations from a
> > > software.
> >
> > --
> > Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar@...
<jaldhar%40debian.org><jaldhar%40debian.org>>
> > La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/
> >
> > --
> > Ganesan Rajagopal
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> --
> Saru
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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I am interested. What should I do? Where do I go?

On 10/11/06, Jayaradha <njayaradha@...> wrote:
>
>   Hi,
> Thanks for the mail.
> Mr Domaradharan and Dr T Vasudevan are working on it.
> If anybody is interested in translation, please contact us.
>
> Thanks,
> Jayaradha
>
>
>
> Ganesan Rajagopal <rganesan@... <rganesan%40vsnl.net>> wrote:
> >>>>> Ganesan Rajagopal <rganesan@... <rganesan%40vsnl.net>> writes:
>
> > Hi,
> > Can any one help?
>
> Arrgh, attachment removed. Here's the full text again
>
> From: "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <jaldhar@... <jaldhar%40debian.org>>
> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:31:25 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: [DebianIndia] Save the Tamil Debian installer!
> Reply-To: DebianIndia@yahoogroups.com <DebianIndia%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> I am travelling in India and only have sporadic Internet access but I saw
> this message. Please, if you can help, contact the
> debian-i18n@... <debian-i18n%40lists.debian.org> mailing list
> so that Etch can ship with
> the option to install in Tamil.
>
> > A few weeks ago, I anounced:
> >
> > Quoting Christian Perrier (bubulle@... <bubulle%40debian.org>):
> > > (Bcc'ed to all translators addresses I have for mentioned
> > > languages. Please reply to
debian-i18n@...<debian-i18n%40lists.debian.org>,
> NOT to myself)
> > >
> > > After a discussion I've had with Frans Pop, the Debian Installer
> > > release manager, the probability for some translations to be DISABLED
> > > in Debian Installer RC1 is very high.
> > >
> > > The following translations have not had any update for many months and
> > > we have not detected any translator activity to correct this.
> > >
> > > THIS IS THE VERY LAST WARNING before these translations are disabled
> > > for the Debian Installer Release Candidate 1 (RC1) version, due out at
> > > the end of October. Translators have roughly 2 weeks before the
> > > disabling action is taken. Translations will be kept as master files
> > > for the future, of course. We will not drop these translations, just
> > > remove them from the proposed languages in the installer.
> > >
>
> ...
>
> > > Languages that failed to have recent activity:
> > > ---------------------------------------------
>
> ...
>
> > > Tamil | 2006-05-10 | 526t 31f 963u
>
> ...
>
> > No activity occurred for Tamil since then and I got now news from any
> > of the registered translators.
>
> > We are very close to desactivate the language in D-I and, indeed, it
> > would already be desactivated would I have listened to Frans.
>
> > Please, please, please, translators, give news, show some activity.
> >
> > There is nothing that I dislike more than removing translations from a
> > software.
>
> --
> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar@... <jaldhar%40debian.org>>
> La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/
>
> --
> Ganesan Rajagopal
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+
> countries) for 2�/min or less.
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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--
Saru


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Friends,

Some recent releases / changes among scim components  - news from
scim-im ( http://www.scim-im.org/ ) of interest to tamil keyboard
users:

1. SCIM 1.4.5  released -08th Oct - mainly bug fix version. To see
features click "Read more" for these under latest news release column
on http://www.scim-im.org/
(SKIM-1.4.5 had been released past June )

I haven't updated my scim installation yet to this release in the distros I use.

2. SCIM_TABLES-0.5.7  released -09th Oct. And two days later its
tar-ball got renewed on discovery of a bug. The "Read more" pages of
these two are respectively:

http://www.scim-im.org/news/imengines_news/scim_tables_0_5_7
http://www.scim-im.org/news/imengines_news/new_scim_tables_0_5_7_tarball

Interestingly, this SCIM_TABLES release introduces a new layout for
tamil - called "Remington". I did not update my scim-tables to this
release 0.5.7 but pulled out this tamil-Remington from the tar ball
and included with scim-tables-0.5.6 in my Ubuntu-Dapper. It is a
typewriter layout and I pressed a few keys to compare with the
corresponding for XKB Tamil-Unicode tw layout  - they appear to be
same.

If there are no difference between the layout of this scim-tables
Remington and that of XKB tamil-unicode then I would recommend a tamil
typewriter user to stick to XKB one (at least on GNOME that I am more
familiar with) because  XKB is less problematic and more longstanding
than scim framework (scim is of more value for those layouts for which
xkb is not or less suited - i.e., phonetics like romanised,
transliteration and tamilnet99)

3. scim-m17n-0.2.1 released -10th Oct. A bug-fix and minor enhancement
version. As mentioned on [
http://www.scim-im.org/news/imengines_news/scim_m17n_0_2_1  ] they
have removed the name prefix: M17N- in the scim panel icon listing.
See the following two scrn-shots I made on my Ubuntu-Dapper, the first
being before with earlier scim-m17n 0.2.0 version bridge and the
second being after replacing it with scim-m17n-0.2.1.

http://i10.tinypic.com/4bq6y6s.png
http://i10.tinypic.com/2v1rz35.png

The M17N prefix for the five m17n-tamil keyboards in the first are not
there in the second.

~Sethu

Hi.

Please help verifying this bug in pango/GNOME.


Tamil combined letters are not recognized as a single entity.
=================================================


Cursor movement and letter deletion problem: it seem that many
combined characters aren't recognized as one single entity.

Table of combined characters:
http://www.manmathan.com/tamiltableofletters

Cut and paste the first table into Writer too see that combined letters in
column "4" to "d" except column "5" (row "2" to "j") are not recognized as one
single entity. Compare with how wordpad or MS word behaves in windows or gedit
in Gnome.

=====================

If you can confirm this bug, please also try to do so under the issue
and vote for it
  :-)


Best Regards,
Manmathan Kmarathurai

Hi,
   Thanks for the mail.
   Mr Domaradharan and Dr T Vasudevan are working on it.
   If anybody is interested in translation, please contact us.

   Thanks,
   Jayaradha


Ganesan Rajagopal <rganesan@...> wrote:
           >>>>> Ganesan Rajagopal <rganesan@...> writes:

> Hi,
> Can any one help?

Arrgh, attachment removed. Here's the full text again

From: "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <jaldhar@...>
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:31:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [DebianIndia] Save the Tamil Debian installer!
Reply-To: DebianIndia@yahoogroups.com

I am travelling in India and only have sporadic Internet access but I saw
this message. Please, if you can help, contact the
debian-i18n@... mailing list so that Etch can ship with
the option to install in Tamil.

> A few weeks ago, I anounced:
>
> Quoting Christian Perrier (bubulle@...):
> > (Bcc'ed to all translators addresses I have for mentioned
> > languages. Please reply to debian-i18n@..., NOT to myself)
> >
> > After a discussion I've had with Frans Pop, the Debian Installer
> > release manager, the probability for some translations to be DISABLED
> > in Debian Installer RC1 is very high.
> >
> > The following translations have not had any update for many months and
> > we have not detected any translator activity to correct this.
> >
> > THIS IS THE VERY LAST WARNING before these translations are disabled
> > for the Debian Installer Release Candidate 1 (RC1) version, due out at
> > the end of October. Translators have roughly 2 weeks before the
> > disabling action is taken. Translations will be kept as master files
> > for the future, of course. We will not drop these translations, just
> > remove them from the proposed languages in the installer.
> >

...

> > Languages that failed to have recent activity:
> > ---------------------------------------------

...

> > Tamil | 2006-05-10 | 526t 31f 963u

...

> No activity occurred for Tamil since then and I got now news from any
> of the registered translators.

> We are very close to desactivate the language in D-I and, indeed, it
> would already be desactivated would I have listened to Frans.

> Please, please, please, translators, give news, show some activity.
>
> There is nothing that I dislike more than removing translations from a
> software.

--
Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar@...>
La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/

--
Ganesan Rajagopal





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